From: Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>
To: Chris Disspain <ceo@auda.org.au>, Jordan Carter <jordan@internetnz.net.nz>
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Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] MEM and enforceability
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Chris,

Sorry for chiming in but I believe the point below deserves our full attent=
ion. It is indeed apparent in some contributions that the key concern about=
 the single member model lies in a (at least perceived) lack of accountabil=
ity of the SO and ACs.

The CCWG report was recommending to add SO/AC accountability to the list of=
 topics reviewed on a regular basis under the Board's supervision. And work=
 further in WS2. This did not seem to properly address the concerns.

Did the Board spend time considering what enhancements to SO/AC accountabil=
ity systems would bring these bodies to a level of accountability which wou=
ld be felt appropriate ? Or what the current (perceived, at least) accounta=
bility issues were ?

It would immensely valuable to our group if you or other Board members (or =
other stakeholders who shared that view) could provide additional details o=
n this, because I believe this is absolutely central in the discussion rega=
rding the single member model, but may not have been totally, explicitly st=
ated so far.

Best,
Mathieu


Le 22/09/2015 15:31, Chris Disspain a =E9crit :


   I disagree. Under the Board=92s proposal there is a focussed point that =
can be =91attacked' and put to arbitration and eventual judicial decision. =
Under the member model there is a gap because the same things cannot happen=
 to the member. In the Board=92s proposal the ultimate responsibility is th=
e Board=92s subject to binding arbitration and court enforcement. In the CC=
WG model the ultimate responsibility is the member but to whom are they acc=
ountable under the mission of ICANN that we must act in the global public i=
nterest.


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Chris, <br>
<br>
Sorry for chiming in but I believe the point below deserves our full attent=
ion. It is indeed apparent in some contributions that the key concern about=
 the single member model lies in a (at least perceived) lack of accountabil=
ity of the SO and ACs.
<br>
<br>
The CCWG report was recommending to add SO/AC accountability to the list of=
 topics reviewed on a regular basis under the Board's supervision. And work=
 further in WS2. This did not seem to properly address the concerns.
<br>
<br>
Did the Board spend time considering what enhancements to SO/AC accountabil=
ity systems would bring these bodies to a level of accountability which wou=
ld be felt appropriate ? Or what the current (perceived, at least) accounta=
bility issues were ?
<br>
<br>
It would immensely valuable to our group if you or other Board members (or =
other stakeholders who shared that view) could provide additional details o=
n this, because I believe this is absolutely central in the discussion rega=
rding the single member model, but
 may not have been totally, explicitly stated so far. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Mathieu<br>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Le 22/09/2015 15:31, Chris Disspain a =E9cri=
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I disagree. Under the&nbsp;Board=92s proposal there is a focussed point tha=
t can be =91attacked' and put to arbitration and eventual judicial decision=
. Under the member model there is a gap because the same things cannot happ=
en to the member. In the&nbsp;Board=92s proposal
 the ultimate responsibility is the&nbsp;Board=92s subject to binding arbit=
ration and court enforcement. In the CCWG model the ultimate responsibility=
 is the member but to whom are they accountable under the mission of&nbsp;I=
CANN that we must act in the global public interest.</span></blockquote>
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