Giovanni,

that is not an interest of a ccTLD Manager.

That's someone wishing to becoming an IDN Manager.
I.e. a prospective IDN Manager.

But an incumbent?  Only DEF and NSF. 

Even for an IDN Manager, because they are treated like ccTLD Managers too, once incumbent.

And a prospective ccTLD Manager, e.g. SS, .EH and .UM as the next in line will have to jump through exactly the same hoops to become incumbent, after which they only require DEF and NSF.

I don't even have serious issues with that other than IANA staff leaning on pospective Managers in a major way, currently. 

 As I have mentioned, there are no accountability measures contemplated for ccTLD Managers, whatsover, no matter how much one wishes to dress the windows.

Which may be counterproductive, as it only take a very small number of ccTLD Managers, whether ccNSO members or not, to object and we move from Not Full Consensus to No Consensus.

And relying on their lethargy just might turn out not to have been the wisest course of action as far as trandition is concerned.

greetings, el
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On Jul 7, 2015, at 22:05, Giovanni Seppia <Giovanni.Seppia@eurid.eu> wrote:

Hi Eberhard,

Thanks for this message.

The point I tried to make was to answer your question “What interest does a ccTLD have in ICANN?”.

My answer was/is that if you are a ccTLD wishing to have the string in your script you have to go through the ccTLD Fast Track process which is managed by ICANN.

Best,

Giovanni



On 07 Jul 2015, at 22:34, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:

Giovanni,

Besides that I have not only been opposed to the
Fast-Track process and voted against it, it was a
ccNSO process. 

In order for the ccNSO to circumvent having to 
do a PDP. Quite some accountability issues there.

But none of the IDNs is in the ISO tables and hence 
they are not really ccTLDs so I am not sure RFC 
1591 applies to them, nor are they gTLDs.

But, no ccTLD *HAS* to have an IDN. Technically
speaking its the ccTLD Manager in the first place,
but some may *WANT* to have an IDN.

And, unless I am mistaken, more or less anyone
can apply for an IDN, not judt the corresponding
ccTLD Manager.

el

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On Jul 7, 2015, at 16:39, Giovanni Seppia <Giovanni.Seppia@eurid.eu> wrote:

Dear Eberhard,

ccTLDs must go through the ICANN ccTLD IDN Fast Track process to get the IDN version of their ccTLD.

Best,

Giovanni

On 07 Jul 2015, at 15:07, Dr Eberhard Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:

Dear Co-Chairs,

What interest does a ccTLD have in ICANN? Other than IANA staff
making the odd name server change (NSF) and WHOIS database entry change
(DEF)?

None whatsoever.

This is even reflected in the bylaws. Maybe reading them helps.

el


On 2015-07-07 13:49, Malcolm Hutty wrote:


On 07/07/2015 13:41, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
Dear Co-Chairs,

If I recall correctly Chris Dispain already shared concerns about
the ccNSO being able to become a member.

Neither model does anything for ccTLDs, because the ccNSO has no
mandate to speak for individual ccTLs, whether members of ccNSO,
or not.


ccNSO may not speak for individual ccTLDs, but does it not speak
for ccTLDs collectively?  For example, to uphold the legitimate
interest ccTLDs have in ICANN honouring its own bylaws?


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