Seun
There is no practical way anyone in the Chartering Organisations can have followed even a scintilla of this insane process.
We (the chartering organisations) appoint Members. That's representative democracy.
You and I are mere participants, are we not, and I think we owe it to the process (such as remains of it) not to try and tell the Members how to do the job they were appointed to do.
I shall, at least, refrain, from that (much as I would like to).
On 30/11/15 16:23, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu
<mailto:milton@gatech.edu>> wrote:
FWIW, Robin’s dissent is fully in line with the official comments
submitted by the Noncommercial Stakeholders Group during the last
public comment period.
SO: Thats fine, especially if the NCSG still believes that the concerns
raised during the second public comment has still not been addressed.
Therefore, I would expect some of the wordings of Robin's mail to be
written with a "collective" sense to it (e.g "..Additionally, *I* object
to...", would have read "...Additionally, *We* object to...") or there
should be a line/footer indicating that the "individual" view has been
endorsed by the NCSG or even by the GNSO (if applicable as NCSG is not
solely a chartering organization per-see[1])
My goal is not to determine whether a minority statement is right or
wrong, my main point is that we ensure individual opinions are clearly
differentiated from Chartering organization opinions as the document is
expected to communicate to those who may not have been following this
process. This is somewhat our last shot and it should communicate
intent as much as possible.
Regards
1. https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Charter
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*Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Minority statements inclusion in report____
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Thanks, Thomas. See below.____
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*Dissenting Opinion of Member Robin Gross (GNSO-NSCG)*____
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The CCWG-Accountability make a number of helpful recommendations to
improve organizational accountability at ICANN, however one aspect
of the plan is deeply flawed: changing the role of ICANN's
Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC) from purely an “advisory” role
to a “decision making” role over fundamental matters at ICANN,
including its governance. Consequently the proposal marginalizes
the role of Supporting Organizations (SO’s) compared to today’s
ICANN governance structure. The degree of governmental empowerment
over ICANN resulting from the proposal’s community mechanism is
dangerous to the success of the proposal’s political acceptance as
well as to its ultimate impact on a free and open Internet.____
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The creation of a community mechanism to hold ICANN accountable on
key issues made a critical error by departing from the existing
power balance between SO’s and AC’s as determined by relative board
appointments. Instead, the proposed community mechanism elevates
the AC’s relative to the SO’s compared with today’s balance on
ICANN's board of directors, which does not currently provide a
decision making role to GAC, and which retains the primacy of the
Supporting Organizations on key decisions, particularly those within
the SO’s mandate. The devaluing of the Supporting Organizations in
ICANN’s key decisions was a common theme in both previous public
comment periods, however the recommendations not only failed to
address this widespread concern, but went even further in devaluing
SO’s in the community mechanism in the 3rd report. The community
mechanism failed to take into account the appropriate roles and
responsibilities of the various SO’s and AC’s, and the dangers
inherent in changing those roles with a “one size fits all” approach
to critical decision making. ____
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Additionally, I object to the proposed departure from ICANN’s
typical 30-day public comment period on the 3rd report for
CCWG-Accountability. The 3rd report’s public comment only allows
for 9 days of public comment after the language translations are
scheduled to be published, which is far too short of a public
comment period for a report of this significance and with so many
important changes since previous drafts.____
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Robin Gross____
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On Nov 29, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net
<mailto:thomas@rickert.net>> wrote:____
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Dear Robin,____
as discussed during the last CCWG call, minority statements will
be included in the report as appendices if and when they are
received.____
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Best,____
Thomas ____
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Am 29.11.2015 um 21:37 schrieb Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org
<mailto:robin@ipjustice.org>>:____
Dear Co-Chairs,
I have still not received a response to this request. What
is the process for submitting minority statements? Please
advise.
Thanks,
Robin
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On Nov 11, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Robin Gross
<robin@ipjustice.org <mailto:robin@ipjustice.org>>
wrote:____
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Dear Co-Chairs,____
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Could you please advise on the proposed schedule and
process for ensuring that minority statements will be
included in the report [of the executive summary]?____
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Thank you,____
Robin____
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