Bruce,

I've just posted an email to this thread that clarifies what is meant by "services" in the following clause:

ICANN shall not impose regulations on services (i.e., any software process that accepts connections for the Internet) that use the Internet's unique identifiers, or the content that such services carry or provide. ICANN shall have the ability to negotiate, enter into and enforce agreements with contracted parties in service of its mission. 

The point is that the focus is on services such as "web services" running on a web server, or "mail services" running on a mail server.  The focus is not on service providers, whether registries, registrars, internet service providers, nail salons or auto mechanics. The parenthetical language clarifies that and tries to be as technology-agnostic as possible (I note that it is consistent with the definition of web services in my other email, which was drafted in 2004), but improvements are always welcome.  The examples provided in my other email may provide some inspiration for such improvements.

As such, the novel "revised" "services clause" provided by David Post is going off in an entirely different direction, and is really of no help in explaining to the Board (or anyone else) what the above clause means.  Indeed, it no longer deals just with "services" by any definition -- it refers to "persons or entities," which goes even beyond a misdirected definition of "services." Also, the concept of "obligations" goes far beyond the concept of "regulations" in terms of stating the limitations on ICANN.  Finally,the idea that this focuses on "persons or entities whose only connection to the DNS is that they use a domain name for Internet communication" is nowhere found in the clause above or in any of the discussions I've seen or participated in regarding this provision.  So, rather than being a "revision" of the current services clause, this alternative is a completely new construction.

The "idea" that David postulates and then rapidly assumes that "pretty much everyone agrees with" also goes far beyond and in different directions from the above clause, which reflects hours of careful discussion and compromise among a number of participants from different stakeholder groups.  I am confident that the statement that "pretty much everyone agrees with" David's idea is false.  I, for one, certainly don't agree with it as a statement that bears any relationship to the above clause.  As such, I think it has no value in the work of this group other than to yank it off course, which I think would be highly counterproductive at this point in the proceedings.

As to the Board's concerns:

Greg

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:39 PM, David Post <david.g.post@gmail.com> wrote:
Bruce

One question:  The Board suggests that if language i adopted that says “ICANN shall not impose regulations on services (i.e., any software process that accepts connections for the Internet) that use the Internet's unique identifiers, or the content that such services carry or provide ..." there might be some existing registry agreements that would be "out of compliance with ICANN's responsibilities."  I'd be curious to know what the Board is concerned with there - what parts of which registry agreements might be affected (and made non-compliant) by this language?

With respect to that same "regulations on services" language, the Board says that it is "unclear," and asks for "some examples of what the CCWG believes that ICANN should and should not be able to do."

I agree that the "services" language isn't clear at the moment.  Here's my attempt to capture the point that I think is being made:  ICANN should not be allowed to impose -- directly or indirectly, via its contracts -- obligations on persons or entities whose only connection to the DNS is that they use a domain name for Internet communication. 

I think it's pretty straightforward.  I use a domain name (davidpost.com) for Internet communication.  The idea -- and I think pretty much everyone agrees with this? - is that ICANN can't impose any obligations on me that affect how I operate the site, what content I host or don't host, what goods or services I can or cannot offer, what billing system I use for those goods and services, what anti-virus software I install, ... It can't do that directly (by imposing some contract terms on me itself) or indirectly  (by getting 3d parties like the registries or registrars to impose the obligations on me).

Registries and registrars, of course, are not entities "whose only connection to the DNS is that they use a domain name for Internet communication," so this clause shouldn't affect ICANN's ability to impose obligations on them (which remains limited by other portions of the Mission Statement).

David



David




At 02:12 AM 11/19/2015, Bruce Tonkin wrote:
Hello All,

The Board has been considering the CCWG Update on Progress Made In and After ICANN54 in Dublin published on 15 Nov 2015.

The Board information call today considered the changes to the mission statement identified in that update.

Attached is the Board's preliminary comments on the mission statement part of the Dublin update report.   As we review the remainder of that Update, we'll send through additional comments.

Regards,

Bruce Tonkin

ICANN Board Liaison to the CCWG



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