Agree that Staff should be an a/k/a for Organization a la Goran.The "whole ball of wax" has often been called (informally) the "ICANN ecosystem." Lori has proposed "ICANN System." I tend to prefer Ecosystem, even though there's nothing "ecological" about it. I note that dictionaries are now defining "ecological" as "(in general use) a complex network or interconnected system." Also, "system" sounds a bit industrial or at least more regularized and regulated, while "ecosystem" implies a certain organic aspect, which feels more appropriate to me in this instance.GregGreg Shatan
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gregshatanipc@gmail.comOn Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:I don't care about ideology one way or t'other.
I care about comprehension and communication.
On 07/03/17 17:17, avri doria wrote:
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My normal inclination would have been to use Organization to mean all of
us in the multistakeholder trinity (board, community and staff) as many
have argued. But since Goran was seemingly set on his usage, I am
worried about us building in a permanent confusion/ambiguity. Thus my
search for another way to refer to it. It is also why I included Staff
as an aka for ICANN Organization, trying to keep our standard usage as
well as allow for the CEO's usage.
Trying to be pragmatic and not ideological about this.
avri
On 07-Mar-17 10:53, Greg Shatan wrote:
I think it makes sense to refer to the *legal entity* known as the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers as the
"Corporation" (which is a term of US law (not just California law)
used for non-profit incorporated entities (including public interest
entities, charities, foundations, membership organizations, etc.)).
Where we are referring to something other than the that legal entity,
we should not use "corporation."
I believe that Goran is using Organization to refer to the "staff"
(CEO on down, both employees and those who may be engaged on an
"independent contractor" or "consultant" basis), but not to the Board
(which is also part of the Corporation), but we may want to clarify.
I agree with Stephen Deerhake that we need to be mindful of existing
terms and use them as our basis. The corollary to that is to avoid
using any currently-used terms differently than their current use --
so we should not contradict Goran's use of "organization" (once we
confirm exactly how he uses it and what the "boundaries" of his
definition are).
Greg
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On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:28 AM, Schweighofer Erich
<erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at
<mailto:erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at >> wrote:
It is good to work on terminology but it should be a common effort
and reflecting real language use. ICANN-speak is already a strong
"border" joining our community. Some ontology work can help.
I would prefer organization - corporation is very much a term of
California law not much used outside for a public purpose association.
Best regards, Erich Schweighofer
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Betreff: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Terminology for the ICANN trinity
>> Make it as simple as possible so that ICANN outsiders will
understand it.
>> Thanks to the 1000+ acronyms ICANN has created enough
confusion not only among the "people in the street" who arer using
domainnames but also among Internet policy makers who are not
ICANN insiders but have to deal with implications conming fro
domainnames.
Yes - where possible I prefer we use terminology in common use in
the wider community.
I would generally think that "organization" or "corporation"
refers to Board, staff, and contractors.
Regards,
Bruce Tonkin
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