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I would support Malcolm's suggestion as well. That would result in a 39 day=
 comment period, close to the 35 day comment period stated by the CCWG in D=
ublin and just one day shy of the 40 day comment/reply period that is now t=
he standard for PDP-related comments.

Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
Virtualaw LLC
1155 F Street, NW
Suite 1050
Washington, DC 20004
202-559-8597/Direct
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202-255-6172/cell

Twitter: @VlawDC
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"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey


-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm Hutty [mailto:malcolm@linx.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:08 AM
To: Phil Corwin; Mathieu Weill; accountability-cross-community@icann.org
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Status of summary document

I agree with Phil's reasoning as to why any extension is required.

However, given that the public comment period would span the holiday season=
, I would suggest that public comment not close until Friday 8th January.

This will materially relieve any criticism that we have made it unreasonabl=
y difficult for comments to be assembled by choosing dates that co-incide w=
ith the holiday season, without causing any significant additional delay.

Malcolm.

On 12/11/2015 15:32, Phil Corwin wrote:
> On one hand I am relieved to see this as I was planning to post an=20
> email today urging the Co-Chairs to either postpone issuance of the=20
> Executive Summary until there was actually a completed final Proposal=20
> to summarize, or to relabel it so that it would be clear that it was=20
> not a document reflecting final resolutions of key issues on which=20
> formal comments could be based. You have taken the second course and=20
> chosen to label it as "Formal Update on our progress in and after the Dub=
lin meeting".
>=20
> =20
>=20
> On the other hand, this decision now makes clear that the length of=20
> the public comment period is inadequate. In the CCWG's October 22^nd =20
> Statement=20
> <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/cross-community-working-group-on-enha
> ncing-icann-accountability-icann54-co-chairs-statement>
> this appears:
>=20
> The current timeline proposes posting a high-level overview of=20
> recommendations and a summary of changes from the 2nd Draft Proposal=20
> for a 35-day public comment on 15 November 2015. Alongside the 35-day=20
> public comment, the CCWG-Accountability will submit these resources to=20
> the Chartering Organizations for initial feedback. The=20
> CCWG-Accountability plans to issue a full detailed report, including=20
> annexes and in-depth documentation, mid-way into the public comment=20
> period for roughly 20 days of consultation.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> A Formal Update cannot legitimately be the basis of either public=20
> comment or informed feedback from the Chartering organizations. Thus=20
> it is clear that there is really only a 21-day public comment period=20
> under the current timetable, starting with the November 30 release of=20
> the 3^rd draft Proposal, if the current target of December 21 is=20
> adhered to. This is inadequate for a matter of this importance and=20
> complexity, and considering the major differences between the Member and =
Designator models..
>=20
> =20
>=20
> *Therefore I again urge the CCWG to extend the public comment period=20
> deadline to at least December 30 to permit a 30-day comment period,=20
> which should be the minimum requirement in this case.*
>=20
> * *
>=20
> Lastly, I do not think that the issuance of a Formal Update obviates=20
> the need for an Executive Summary to accompany the 3^rd draft=20
> proposal. Such a Summary could be extremely useful in assisting the=20
> community in understanding the document, particularly by explaining=20
> how the key remaining issues were resolved.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Thank you for consideration of my views.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> *Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal*
>=20
> *Virtualaw LLC*
>=20
> *1155 F Street, NW*
>=20
> *Suite 1050*
>=20
> *Washington, DC 20004*
>=20
> *202-559-8597/Direct*
>=20
> *202-559-8750/Fax*
>=20
> *202-255-6172/cell***
>=20
> * *
>=20
> *Twitter: @VlawDC*
>=20
> =20
>=20
> */"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey/*
>=20
> =20
>=20
> *From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org
> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf=20
> Of *Mathieu Weill
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:22 AM
> *To:* accountability-cross-community@icann.org
> *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] Status of summary document
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Dear Colleagues,
>=20
> =20
>=20
> The activity on the list has been very intense lately. As co-chairs we=20
> would like to warmly thank all commenters on the recent documents. The=20
> feedbacks were extremely helpful, whether on substance or format, and=20
> our support team is working hard to take your feedback in account for=20
> the updated version.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> You will remember that a lot of concerns were raised that what the=20
> CCWG is working on is difficult to understand for those who are not=20
> following the groups intense work. In response to that, we have=20
> discussed and agreed we would publish a document explaining in plain=20
> language what we are doing. We have factored this into the agreed plan.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> At the time, we had expected to having reached consensus on all=20
> remaining questions. As this is not the case today, we suggest=20
> flagging this accordingly and move forward with the publication of the=20
> document, which we would call a *Formal Update on our progress in and=20
> after the Dublin meeting*, rather than an executive summary.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Many of you have correctly stated that the document we shared with you=20
> is not an executive summary due to its length. It is rather a short=20
> version of our report without offering information on the rationale=20
> for decisions and the genesis of our recommendation. This level of=20
> detail will be found in our report. We have, however, added a 2 page=20
> abstract in addition to incorporating a plethora of your suggestions=20
> to make this document accurate, more accessible and shorter.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> To be clear:
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> =20
>=20
> The document that we are planning to issue on Nov 15 is designed to=20
> update the community on the progress we have made during and after=20
> ICANN 54. Its goal is to raise awareness of where we are, what our=20
> proposals are, so that outreach can start and consideration of our=20
> final report (announced for Nov 30th) can take place in a shorter time fr=
ame.
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> =20
>=20
> While the content of the document would reflect the positions of our=20
> group, closing outstanding issues is not a requirement before issuing=20
> this formal update. Outstanding issues will be flagged as such. What=20
> is needed is a high level summary, as well as some level of detail=20
> regarding the topics we made progress on in Dublin : decision making,=20
> sole designator model, budget, individual director removal, and human=20
> rights.
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> =20
>=20
> Our public comment period will then focus on soliciting feedback on=20
> these changes in order to avoid the duplication of efforts for=20
> commenters on areas of our report that already enjoyed broad support.
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> =20
>=20
> With the full report, we will offer the opportunity to publish=20
> minority statements.
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> =20
>=20
> We do hope that you find these clarifications and suggestions helpful.
> We will circulate the next version of the Update within the next 12=20
> hours, and the discussion of the document will be on the agenda of our=20
> call on Friday 13 November, at 6.00 UTC.
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> =20
>=20
> Many thanks again to all of you for your continued commitment.
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