On Sunday 21 August 2016 09:24 PM, John Curran wrote:

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(I see that Paul Rosenzweig has embarked on such an activity on this list, which is

most excellent...)

Paul's two points are exactly the same specifics that I presented in my previous email (1) junk most of the non disclosure conditions, and (2) ICANN's service providers cannot put conditions that the natue of work that they do cannot be disclosed, and in this matter I specifically want to know what the 7 agencies actually did in terms of education activities reg IANA transition.

But obviously you like some sources of specificity more than others, but fine, lets do with that...

Since “information disclosure policies of the same level as that of mature democracies”

is otherwise undefined, I would not support such… Suggesting that ICANN emulate

generically unstated principles based on whatever each one of us might consider a

mature democracy results in meaningless agreement, since we are certain to be able

to find inconsistencies both in the countries and their policies that might be considered.

If you would like to state some actual information disclosure _principles_ that you feel

are important (i.e. extracting them from those countries you wish to emulate), then perhaps

some progress might be made.

I actually linked the Indian Right to information law, in a previous email, which is fully detailed on people's right to pubic information, and any possible reasons for non disclosure.... I dont see why it should not apply to ICANN, something almost exactly on the same lines.... So, once again, I have siad and done what you are saying I havent... I somehow seem unable to please you :)

Seeking generically to claim that we should ape “mature

governments policies” without actually stating the principles to be followed would appear

to be an highly indirect and potentially disingenuous approach to the problem.

As you see above, I am making no generic claims. I quoate the Indian act, the US law is widely available, and there are many groups and websites devoted to the issue of transparency with regard to public information.

I am still afraid, i may not be meeting your standards of specificity - so let me repeat, can we apply the Indian right to information act, replacing terms pertaining to the Indian government with that about ICANN?
parminder

Thanks,

/John

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