But for ICANN to apply US interpretations on EU based organisations without some proper process that adopted the interpretation in EU legislation?  Either way, from a ccTLD point of view, I would have serious concern about ICANN leading decisions about what is the standard they apply and the legal base that they use.

 

This is a complicated issue and one best left for WS2 as I noted below.

 

From: Erika Mann [mailto:erika@erikamann.com]
Sent: 03 March 2016 21:50
To: Martin Boyle <Martin.Boyle@nominet.uk>
Cc: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na>; Lisse Eberhard <directors@omadhina.net>; accountability-cross-community@icann.org
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Human Rights

 

Martin - just to be clear the European Court of Justice introduced the extraterritoriality concept into EU law making with regard to human rights standards. Take for example the most recent ruling about the validity of the Safe Harbor agreement. 

 

Erika

 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:12 PM, Martin Boyle <Martin.Boyle@nominet.uk> wrote:

Nigel, you seem to be advocating US interpretation of human rights, which in turn would imply a degree of extraterritoriality.

 

That should not be the case for ccTLDs as Eberhard points out, but it might be a big issue for geo-TLDs, too.

 

I think that "applicable law" is the best formulation for where we are and WS2 can have the joy of interpreting what are the implications of that.  Let's leave such a difficult discussion to then.

 

Martin 

 



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On 2 Mar 2016, at 13:58, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:

And,

it does so for gTLDs only.

el

On 2016-03-02 15:42 , Nigel Roberts wrote:

As you rightly say, I am foreshadowing WS2.

 

But I am also renewing my strong objection to the "applicable law"

formulation, for the following reason.

 

It's quite valid to comment, in response, that ICANN *already* regulates

the takedown of domain names in the protection of third-party rights -

the protection of intellectual property.

 

That is all well and good, and is a worthy step in the protection of

that person/organisations rights under (for example) Art. 1, Prot.1 of

the ECHR -- provided it is balanced against the rights to free

expression and due process.

 

But it's not hard to see that the "applicable law" scenarion could be

misused to impose controls on content.

 

For example, the right to privacy and the right to free expression

intersect in different places in different countries.

 

This is the well-known "margin of appreciation" in Human Rights

jurisprudence.

 

So, ICANN, by binding itself to 'applicable law' would potentially bind

itself to breaching the First Amendment, by having a by-law obligation

to 'applicable law' in say the UK (libel), France (celebrity) or China

(respect for authority).

 

 

 

On 02/03/16 13:20, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:

Hi Nigel,

 

This will be an interesting discussion on our WS2 work plan.

 

I fail to see why or how ICANN would be obliged to develop such

policies as ICANN is not an entity with (legal) powers to take down

any kind of content. The only situation in which I see ICANN taking

down a site, as opposed to a particular content within a website, is

in case a Court ordered such take down which, in my mind at least,

would be subject to different applicable norms in the context of

international cooperation I think, and for that Court order to be

escalated to ICANN level I would think it would need to be taken

through the path of registrant-registrar-registry before even getting

to ICANN but that is just an assumption, of course.

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

León

 

El 29/02/2016, a las 8:26 p.m., Nigel Roberts

<nigel@channelisles.net> escribió:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-35685999

 

This tells me that the right to free expression is one which ICANN

should respect, and not merely 'as required by applicable law'.

 

It seems to me that 'applicable law' here would have ICANN institute

policies allowing for takedown of the material that is contained in

the books referred to in this article, would it not?

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