On Wednesday, May 6, 2015, Rudolph Daniel <rudi.daniel@gmail.com> wrote: > +1. For Roelof's comments on captioned subject matter. > Respect is due to all community members who participated and worked very hard on this proposal. > RD > > On May 6, 2015 11:37 AM, "Roelof Meijer" <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl> wrote: >> >> Dear ccTLD colleagues, >> >> It is with reluctance that I react to this thread, but I feel obliged to >> do so. >> Reluctance, because I prefer to ignore Eberhard Lisse when he sends out >> one of his quite characteristic emails. >> Obliged, however, because as his advice to you on how to deal with the >> request for community feed-back on the CCWG-Accountability Work Stream 1 >> proposals published on 4 May, he "strongly urge[s] all ccTLD Managers to >> strongly oppose this rubbish². >> >> I consider that to be very poor, even irresponsible, advice, and urge you >> to read the report and give your feed-back. If you don¹t agree; let us >> know, if you have suggestions for improvements; tell us. But above all: >> give us guidance with your opinion on the specific issues that we ask your >> feed-back on in the report. >> >> The Enhancement of ICANN¹s Accountability is an inseparable part of the >> IANA Stewardship Transition, a conditio sine qua non. The successful >> transition of the IANA Stewardship is a necessity for the global, single >> internet to develop to it¹s maximum potential. >> However, we will not have a second chance any time soon and thus we cannot >> afford to fail. The final proposals to enhance ICANN¹s accountability and >> to transition to IANA Stewardship are the ultimate test of the >> multi-stakeholder model and failure would, in the end, mean the end of >> that model. >> >> So you cannot even afford to ignore the CCWG draft proposals, or any other >> proposal in this process. Unless maybe if you want to get rid of the >> multi-stakeholder model... >> >> Like Eberhard Lisse, I am one of the ccTLD Community¹s participants in the >> CCWG. Very unlike Eberhard Lisse, I am proud of what the CCWG published on >> 4 May. It is certainly not perfect, it surely is not complete and it is >> definitely not final. The timeline, the enormous amount of work, the >> unknown territories we had to explore and insights and opinions we had to >> unite, made the process quite painful at times. >> But the result -and in the end that is what really counts- is good. To be >> honest: far better then I expected. >> And quite solid enough to ask your feed-back on. So it can be improved. >> >> Our three co-chairs Mathieu Weill, Thomas Rickert and León Felipe >> Sánchez-Ambia deserve no criticism, but our deep respect. For their >> leadership and guidance, for the substance they brought and also for the >> way they acted on feed-back from the group or individual >> members/participants. >> They were -and are- real assets in this process. Eberhard Lisse, in my >> opinion, is not. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Roelof A. Meijer >> CEO >> >> SIDN | Meander 501 | 6825 MD | P.O. >> Box 5022 | 6802 EA | ARNHEM | THE NETHERLANDS >> T +31 (0)26 352 55 00 | M +31 (0)6 11 395 775 | F +31 (0)26 352 55 05 >> roelof.meijer@sidn.nl >> | www.sidn.nl <http://www.sidn.nl/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 06-05-15 07:44, "Mathieu Weill" <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr> wrote: >> >> >Dear Byron, Dear Colleagues, >> > >> >To set the record straight, Dr Lisse's statements about the violation of >> >the CCWG Accountability Charter and the dynamics of the group are a >> >misrepresentation of facts. Speaking of facts, we are more than happy to >> >provide details in response to the accusations as well as explanations >> >we gave to Dr Lisse on the public mailing list, to support our statement. >> > >> >We would also note for the benefit of readers of these lists that Dr >> >Lisse has filed countless objections against almost everything the CCWG >> >did since it started. Participants and members of the CCWG have >> >expressed to the co-chairs that they consider Dr Lisse's behaviour as an >> >attempt to discredit the work of fellow volunteers and derail the work >> >of the group. >> > >> >We will not burden everyone on the lists that were cc-ed with details, >> >especially when we have the opportunity to discuss and engage on >> >substance. But we wanted to set this record straight, and express our >> >deep sadness about the use of such a process within the ccTLD community. >> > >> >That being said, we encourage other ccTLD members and participants in >> >the CCWG to express their views related to the substance of the proposals. >> > >> >Best, >> >Thomas Rickert and Mathieu Weill, co-chairs >> > >> >Le 05/05/2015 11:36, Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit : >> >> [sorry for the double post, technical issue] >> >> Dear Byron, >> >> >> >> as tmember appointed by the (chartering) ccNSO to the CCWG >> >> Accountability I have followed the Charter, in particular in raising >> >> my concerns of my points consistently being ignored and rejected by >> >> the Co-Chairs of this CCWG, one of whom is Mathieu Weill, the >> >> posting of whom, herein-under, I wish to address, "through the >> >> chair". >> >> >> >> Please assure that staff forwards this to all Council Members who do >> >> not have access to the above lists. >> >> >> >> >> >> These "current proposals" have been arrived at in violation of the >> >> Charter, without the necessary Consensus Call for all positions, and >> >> in violation of the Charter by refusing the opportunity to attach >> >> minority views. >> >> >> >> They also have been rushed over the objection of myself in which I >> >> have been joined in various degrees, shape or form by appointed >> >> members of every constituency chartering, even several GAC members >> >> expressing themselves in this regard. >> >> >> >> This was done in order to get "something" passed prior to a non >> >> existing deadline instead of doing this carefully, thoroughly and >> >> inclusively. >> >> >> >> As usual the gNSO members and in particular un-appointed >> >> participants representing large interests were/are the driving force >> >> behind this rush-job. >> >> >> >> The document is so convoluted that an expensive graphics company was >> >> hired for several months to generate these professional graphics in >> >> order to just be able to understand the document. >> >> >> >> Even Mathieu doesn't understand it, because he not only refers to it >> >> as a "report" which under the Charter REQUIRES a Consensus Call and >> >> attachment of minority views, if any, and he alleges that it has any >> >> relevance to ccTLDs, which is has not. >> >> >> >> The community he refers to is ill defined, and in any case the ccNSO >> >> has no mandate whatsoever to act on decisions, acts or omissions >> >> affecting individual ccTLDs. >> >> >> >> According to the Charter the CCWG must address ALL accountability >> >> issues with the exception of administrative and operational IANA >> >> issues, which were to have been addressed by CWG Stewardship, where >> >> they were not being addressed, of course. >> >> >> >> This was used to refuse and/or ignore any request that had anything >> >> to do with the root zone and/or the IANA Function, in particular the >> >> fundamental issues, which remain unresolved. >> >> >> >> I will post something like this into the Comment Box for the record, >> >> but I strongly urge all ccTLD Managers to strongly oppose this >> >> rubbish. >> >> >> >> >> >> Finally, I am personally offended by him thanking the ccTLD members >> >> and characterizing their participation, in particular since hardly >> >> any input by ccTLD members/participants had any effect on ccTLD >> >> Managers' positions, and because he does not mean it. >> >> >> >> For me it is not a pleasure to work in this CCWG and in particular >> >> not an honor to work with him and any other of the other Co-Chairs. >> >> >> >> >> >> el >> >> >> >> On 2015-05-05 07:53, Mathieu Weill wrote: >> >>> Thank you Gabi for sharing this announcement. >> >>> >> >>> In addition to the public comment announcement >> >>> >> >>>(https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ccwg-accountability-draft-proposa >> >>>l-2015-05-04-en) >> >>> the CCWG-Accountability produced some graphics describing the current >> >>> proposals (PDF, >> >>> >> >>>https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52897394/XPL_CCWG_Illus >> >>>tratedConcepts_v2.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1430799940397&api=v2) >> >>> , which you might find helpful, although of course nothing replaces >> >>> reading the actual report. >> >>> >> >>> While this report is not focused on IANA, it is very relevant to ccTLDs >> >>> : it addresses the accountability enhancements requested by the CWG >> >>>Iana >> >>> stewardship transition latest proposal, proposes additional powers for >> >>> the community, including the ccNSO, and strongly reinforces Icannn's >> >>> appeal mechanisms. >> >>> >> >>> For more details, the CCWG-Accountability will hold two identical >> >>> webinars at different times to facilitate participation across time >> >>> zones. The webinars will take place on: >> >>> >> >>> 11 May from 11:00 12:30 UTC >> >>> 11 May from 19:00 20:30 UTC >> >>> >> >>> Details can be found here : >> >>> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-05-04-en >> >>> >> >>> I seize this opportunity to thank all ccTLD members and participants to >> >>> this group. They have done a tremendous job, demonstrating the value of >> >>> ccTLD inputs to the overall community. As co-chair, it is a great >> >>> pleasure and an honour to work with such a team. >> >>> >> >>> We are now more than ever in listening mode and look forward to your >> >>> questions and feedbacks. >> >>> >> >>> Best regards, >> >>> Mathieu >> >> [...] >> >> >> > >> >-- >> >***************************** >> >Mathieu WEILL >> >AFNIC - directeur général >> >Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06 >> >mathieu.weill@afnic.fr >> >Twitter : @mathieuweill >> >***************************** >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >ccTLDcommunity mailing list >> >ccTLDcommunity@cctld-managers.org >> >http://www.lists.cctld-managers.org/mailman/listinfo/cctldcommunity >> > >> >To unsubscribe please send a blank email to >> >ccTLDcommunity-unsubscribe@lists.cctld-managers.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list >> Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community >
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