Steve

You are right and for that reason ICANN must not have the IP rights to the IANA.ORG domain name, or indeed unfettered control (as this discussion implies.

Insteadm it must have a licence allowing it to be used day-to-day *BY* ICANN, as long as it is the IANA contractor. It must have de-facto day-to-day operational control. But that's it.

Therefore the Registrant of IANA.ORG needs to become a trusted third party that holds the registration ON TRUST (in the legal sense) for the beneficial owner (call that RightsCo if you like), who provides an unlimited-use license to ICANN (or any other company that might get the IANA contract in the future) under the terms of its carrying out the IANA function.

On 18/08/15 17:20, Steve Crocker wrote:

Becky,

Not quite right.  I believe there are three trademarks, but far more important than the trademarks is the control of the iana.org domain name.  Despite the thousands of words of email devoted to the trademarks, in the case of IANA they’re of only modest, at best, practical importance.  The domain name, however, is a key piece of the operation.

Steve



On Aug 18, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr@neustar.biz> wrote:

I think that the IP rights in question are limited to the IANA trademark,
which the USG transferred to ICANN in 1999 or so.

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On 8/18/15, 3:11 AM, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <el@lisse.NA> wrote:

Gabi,

thank you for posting this.

All,

I want to place on record, that this needs SIGNIFICANT thought, and
considerably more detail than what is provided here.

In particular what actual Intellectual Property Rights do they mean,
EXACTLY? And I would like to see them in a numbered list :-)-O

Most certainly will the root zone (database) on which the NSF is
performed, and the contacts database (DEF) NOT fall under this.


Without having thought this through to the end, however, I think this is
a WS1 item for the CCWG Accountability, and needs to be dsicussed on
tonight's call.


Fortunately, we have time, the transition has been postponed to
2016-09-30 last Friday
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ntia.doc.gov_blog_
2015_update-2Diana-2Dtransition&d=AwICAg&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFO
ifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=xEvMoIyL67gEqHJRspVNVH_5RfpEaBO3-n
jFirHo3sc&s=anSaVt_Y73vPTokKGDZODQOgEpcSMCQYfov_F17TFqo&e=

greetings, el


On 2015-08-18 09:16, Gabriella Schittek wrote:

Dear all,

ICANN has released a statement regarding the IANA Intellectual Property
Rights:

===
ICANN Statement Regarding IANA Intellectual Property Rights (IPR)15
August 2015
ICANN supports the IANA Stewardship Transition Group (ICG) proposal and
the underlying proposals from the Community Working Group (CWG), the
Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team and the Planning
for the IANA/NTIA Transition (IANAPLAN) working group.
The ICANN Board is focused on how to implement the Intellectual Property
Rights (IPR) component of the proposal. The Board believes that for
stability and pragmatic operational reasons, the IANA Functions Operator
must have operational control over the IANA.ORG
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__iana.org_&d=AwICAg&c
=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=x
EvMoIyL67gEqHJRspVNVH_5RfpEaBO3-njFirHo3sc&s=4i-xg4Yjhd2u-vOhYZeKXLv1fPbl
EqzcJUU3MkUOa58&e= > domain.
During the transition, ICANN is prepared to transfer full ownership of
the IANA-related trademarks to a neutral third party mutually agreed
among the operational communities with the understanding that ICANN, as
the current IANA Functions Operator, will be granted license to those
trademarks and ICANN will maintain operational control of the IANA.ORG

<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__iana.org_&d=AwICAg&c
=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=x
EvMoIyL67gEqHJRspVNVH_5RfpEaBO3-njFirHo3sc&s=4i-xg4Yjhd2u-vOhYZeKXLv1fPbl
EqzcJUU3MkUOa58&e= > domain for as long as ICANN remains the IANA
Functions Operator.
If the transfer during the transition affects the timeline, we advise
delay until after the transition. In that event ICANN is ready to hold
the IPR as interim measure but commits to transfer it within 120 days
after the neutral third party is identified by the operational
communities.
We believe this is neutral and in the public interest. We look forward
to hearing from anyone in the community.

===

See
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_a
nnouncement-2D2015-2D08-2D15-2Den&d=AwICAg&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62c
JFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=xEvMoIyL67gEqHJRspVNVH_5RfpEaB
O3-njFirHo3sc&s=kkb9yxPPFQICrdDt6_by0xp5V6I-9OPO6Ap5eKlTttQ&e=


Kind regards,

Gabi



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