During the last month a number of people have commented to me about the recent tone has some posts. It is important when we debate these issues to concentrate on issues and not personalities. It is easy to get distracted if there are personal comments about another contributor, which can sometimes lead to a trail of discussion on the problems between the individuals rather than the more important work. I have noticed such comments, and would ask contributors to think carefully before they criticise another person, or even use humour about that person. In my experience cross-cultural humour can be a risky course and not always understood by the recipient. I am always ready to discuss matters with individuals who feel concerned, and try to resolve these by mediation techniques. Such contact will always be confidential." I am happy to discuss this with anyone. Regards Chris LaHatte Ombudsman Blog <https://omblog.icann.org/> https://omblog.icann.org/ Webpage <http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman> http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman Confidentiality All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as confidential. The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint. The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
Good point Chris, 1) Maybe a Quiz on the terms of use on the ICANN Adobe Connect page would be a good point to start a personal introspection about this issue. 2) Next, I would recognise that some legal experts take note of the great efforts some lawyers in the list take to make issues clear and understandable to non-US non-lawyers. I won't mention names here, but they both know how much I appreciate the clarity and good style they use for the benefit and representativenes of the whole exercise. This should not become a race to demonstrate the smartest legal argument, but the general public good of the proposals and ideas and make it more inclusive. Thank for raising it Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 (New Phone number!!!!) ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA 2015-04-20 3:38 GMT-06:00 Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte@icann.org>:
During the last month a number of people have commented to me about the recent tone has some posts. It is important when we debate these issues to concentrate on issues and not personalities. It is easy to get distracted if there are personal comments about another contributor, which can sometimes lead to a trail of discussion on the problems between the individuals rather than the more important work. I have noticed such comments, and would ask contributors to think carefully before they criticise another person, or even use humour about that person. In my experience cross-cultural humour can be a risky course and not always understood by the recipient. I am always ready to discuss matters with individuals who feel concerned, and try to resolve these by mediation techniques. Such contact will always be confidential."
I am happy to discuss this with anyone.
Regards
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Chris, with all due respect, ICANN's Expected Standard of Behavior, boils down to: [...] members of the ICANN community should treat each other with civility both face to face and online. [...] and, as you and many others know, one is NEVER wrong, speaking "through the chair". There are paid lobbyists for well funded interests at work here, and I appreciate the (negotiation and other) tactics. You on the other hand should, perhaps, look at the Charter again: For starters, of course Section IV: Membership, Staffing and Organization Membership Criteria: Membership in the CCWG-Accountability, and in sub-working groups should these be created, is open to members appointed by the chartering organizations. [...] In other words, deciding that only lawyers may joing, and thus preventing any appointed member from joining the Legal SubTeam is in violation of the Charter. [...] However, should there be a need for a consensus call or decision, such consensus call or decision will be limited to CCWG-Accountability members appointed by the chartering organizations. [...] And Section V: Rules of Engagement Decision-Making Methodologies: In developing its Proposal(s), work plan and any other reports, the CCWG-Accountability shall seek to act by consensus. Not done. Consensus calls should always make best efforts to involve all members (the CCWG-Accountability or sub-working group). Not done. The Chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each position as having one of the following designations: a) Full Consensus - a position where no minority disagrees; identified by an absence of objection ] b) Consensus Ð a position where a small minority disagrees, but most agree We do not have Full Consensus on Substance. As far as Process is concerned we do not even have Consensus. In the absence of Full Consensus, the Chair(s) should allow for the submission of minority viewpoint(s) and these, along with the consensus view, shall be included in the report. I have not received a response to my request on how we go about my minority viewpoint (though not using the exact same language) [...] Any member who disagrees with the consensus-level designation made by the Chair(s), or believes that his/her contributions are being systematically ignored or discounted should first discuss the circumstances with the relevant sub-group chair or the CCWG-Accountability co-chairs. Done that. In the event that the matter cannot be resolved satisfactorily, the group member should request an opportunity to discuss the situation with the Chairs of the chartering organizations or their designated representatives. [...] Done that too. And as I have not received a response to my inquiry about the GAO call, I'll probably have to ask the GAO themselves about what transpired. greetings, el On 2015-04-20 10:38 , Chris LaHatte wrote:
During the last month a number of people have commented to meabout the recent tone has some posts.It is important when we debate these issues to concentrate on issues and not personalities. It is easy to get distracted if there are personal comments about another contributor, which can sometimes lead to a trail of discussion on the problems between the individuals rather than the more important work. I have noticed such comments, and would ask contributors to think carefully before they criticise another person, or even use humour about that person. In my experience cross-cultural humour can be a risky course and not always understood by the recipient. I am always ready to discuss matters with individuals who feel concerned, and try to resolve these by mediation techniques. Such contact will always be confidential."
I am happy to discuss this with anyone.
Regards
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