Eberhard — I don’t know how the time was selected, but glad you can make the Stress Test call. Stress Test #21 (on page 4) is one where you have particular insights, I think. It’s one of several Stress Tests that apply more to the CWG proposals. As we’ve said, you can’t apply stress tests definitively until you have a defined mechanism/structure to test. Nonetheless, we’ll do our best with the proposed mechanisms at this point. (PDF attached) —Steve From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse Date: Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 6:05 AM To: CCWG Accountability Cc: "directors@omadhina.net<mailto:directors@omadhina.net>" Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [Notify] CCWG ACCT Stress Tests Working Group Meeting Dear Co-Chairs, can you please advise 1) how it comes to the ST-Wg being scheduled to a time that was NOT listed on the Doodle Poll at all; and 2) when I query that (see my below email) I receive no reply? I assumed this was a clerical error, but until this is resolved, I formally OBJECT to the call being held at all. I can make 12:00 UTC. greetings, el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini On Mar 6, 2015, at 20:16, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na<mailto:el@lisse.na>> wrote: Is that time what the Doodle poll came up with? I can't make it. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini On Mar 6, 2015, at 17:43, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer@icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org>> wrote: <image001.gif> Dear CCWG Accountability team, Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Steve DelBianco welcome interested participants to attend the Stress Tests meeting next week on 11 March. ST-WG meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, 11 March 2015 at 11:00-13:00 UTC. For international time zones see here<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+STRESS+TEST+WG...>. [...]

Steve, In any case, the stress test 21 as written does not use the correct terminology and assumes procedures which are not described, and does not incorporate the Framework of Interpretation Principles. The only objection to a revocation and transfer request comes from the incumbent manager. If the manager gives informed, voluntary consent the process can proceed. If not, that's it, unless there is substantial misconduct, where the IANA Function Manager can revoke on own initiative, even, as last resort. There is no consideration of objections of Interested Parties or Significantly Interested Parties. Hence no awaiting the bottom-up consensus decision of affected stakeholders. There are no existing accountability measures. It is not the community that can challenge, as no third party is involved, only the incumbent manager. The proposed measures are all retro-active. The Framework of Interpretation Principles must be implemented as Policy binding on the IANA Function Manager. We can then look at what we can propose when they don't abide. I have issues with 19 as well (never mind the terminology). Have I overlooked how the IANA Function Manager is supposed to be shielded from law suits? It is not my subject matter expertise as it pertains to gTLDs but I would assume that the jurisdiction is specified in gTLD agreements. [...] Again, this call is not going to take place at 11:00 UTC, though it is starting to look like an accountability issue how the scheduling was handled. el

IF more of us can make it to the call at 1200 UTC I am happy to shift to that, and I would certainly prefer if Eberhard can attend... Staff please advise IF we are shifting and also resend an updated invitation out... Thanks *Cheryl Langdon-O**rr ... *(CLO) about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr [image: Cheryl Langdon-Orr on about.me] <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr> On 9 March 2015 at 13:27, Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad@icann.org> wrote:

Hi Eberhard and all, The Doodle polls are presented in UTC time. The 11:00 UTC option was accepted by all 4 respondents, including Eberhard: <http://doodle.com/fffvgn2upkcnmkmf>. It's possible there was some confusion over the time zones, but I do not believe this was a staff error. Thank you, Grace

On 3/8/15 1:44 PM, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <el@lisse.NA> wrote:

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Steve,

I can NOT make the the call. It is at 11:00, which was not even on the Doodle Poll. I am not willing to call in after half of the discussion is gone without being able to make any input.

If we shift it to 12:00 I can make a plan. If not, we need to go and look at Doodle again. But the call is not going to happen at 11:00 UTC.

el

On 2015-03-08 17:58 , Steve DelBianco wrote:

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Eberhard ‹ I don¹t know how the time was selected, but glad you can make the Stress Test call.

Stress Test #21 (on page 4) is one where you have particular insights, I think. It¹s one of several Stress Tests that apply more to the CWG proposals.

As we¹ve said, you can¹t apply stress tests definitively until you have a defined mechanism/structure to test. Nonetheless, we¹ll do our best with the proposed mechanisms at this point.

(PDF attached)

‹Steve

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FWIW it is important to note that the time zone management of Doodle seems to be lacking. So, we'll do it at 13:00 Namibian Time? Which seems to be 11:00 UTC (which Doodle seems to tell me is 12:00 Namibian Time). This is quite in order. I will not use Doodle again. On a serious note, all these technical issues need to be resolved in the open. And, I am still waiting for the explanation why I have not received any reply to my first inquiry, which would have avoided much of this. greetings, el On 2015-03-09 08:21, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

FWIW it's important to note that the reading from staff was correct; 4 selected 11:00UTC(and it was the only highest number) while 3 was for 12:00.

On a lighter note, I think this could have been resolved offlist

Regards sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos.

On 9 Mar 2015 04:31, "Cheryl Langdon-Orr" <langdonorr@gmail.com <mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>> wrote:

IF more of us can make it to the call at 1200 UTC I am happy to shift to that, and I would certainly prefer if Eberhard can attend...

Staff please advise IF we are shifting and also resend an updated invitation out...

Thanks [...]

-- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse 4-5, St Annes Walk <Directors@omadhina.net> Alderney, Guernsey, GY9 3JZ Omadhina Internet Services Ltd British Channel Islands

Reviewing the stress test notes quickly Lets say the scenario is what happened to Sony. The still unidentified hackers of Sony hack have yet to be identified. Devastation occurs/occurred. Then what? Sincerely Carrie Devorah www.centeforcopyrightintegrity.com On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> wrote:

Eberhard — I don’t know how the time was selected, but glad you can make the Stress Test call.

Stress Test #21 (on page 4) is one where you have particular insights, I think. It’s one of several Stress Tests that apply more to the CWG proposals.

As we’ve said, you can’t apply stress tests definitively until you have a defined mechanism/structure to test. Nonetheless, we’ll do our best with the proposed mechanisms at this point.

(PDF attached)

—Steve

From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse Date: Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 6:05 AM To: CCWG Accountability Cc: "directors@omadhina.net" Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [Notify] CCWG ACCT Stress Tests Working Group Meeting

Dear Co-Chairs,

can you please advise

1) how it comes to the ST-Wg being scheduled to a time that was NOT listed on the Doodle Poll at all; and

2) when I query that (see my below email) I receive no reply?

I assumed this was a clerical error, but until this is resolved, I formally OBJECT to the call being held at all.

I can make 12:00 UTC.

greetings, el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini

On Mar 6, 2015, at 20:16, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:

Is that time what the Doodle poll came up with?

I can't make it.

el

-- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini

On Mar 6, 2015, at 17:43, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer@icann.org> wrote:

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Dear CCWG Accountability team,

Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Steve DelBianco welcome interested participants to attend the Stress Tests meeting next week on 11 March.

ST-WG meeting is scheduled for *Wednesday, 11 March 2015 at 11:00-13:00 UTC*. For international time zones see *here <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+STRESS+TEST+WG+MEETING&iso=20150311T11&ah=2>*.

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