Dear CCWG-colleagues, Please find below a group of questions to be posed to the law firms assisting the CCWG-Accountability. · Are there any restrictions in California law or in applicable federal US-law with respect to government officials (US or foreign) becoming statutory members (or designators) of a non-profit organization? Would all liabilities applied to US or foreign citizens in a membership (or designator) structure equally apply to a government official which has legal immunity and privileges in the United States? · What are the specific legal requirements for a third-party which may have approval or veto rights over board decisions and what are its liabilities? · A community veto (be it exercised in a membership or a designator structure) over a bylaw change could be potentially reverted through a court decision in California? Same question applies to a decision made by an Independent Appeals Panel mechanism. · The fact that the "board bears ultimate responsibility for corporate decisions and must provide oversight of the exercise of those powers it has delegated" (Sidley Austin LLP, Initial Discussion Draft 1, p. 3) implies that the board may eventually revert a community veto (member or designator structure) over its own decision or over the budget it has originally approved? · Is the Californian Attorney General able to intervene in ICANN's operations upon the complaint of a government (US or other)? How does this situation relate to norms of international private law internalized by the United States? Thanks in advance, Secretário Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva Divisão da Sociedade da Informação (DI) Ministério das Relações Exteriores - Brasil T: + 55 61 2030-6609 Secretary Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva Division of Information Society (DI) Ministry of External Relations - Brazil T: + 55 61 2030-6609
Interesting questions, but, choice of venue lies with the plaintiff, hence Californian law does not necessarily apply, can be any other State where ICANN has a presence, if I am not mistaken.
From an accountability perspective nobody claiming immunity for his/her actions can serve in a function where this might become an issue, as far as I am concerned.
I really do not understand the last question (in particular the internalization part). Never mind that Conflict of laws or Private international law (both terms are used interchangeably) concerns relations across different legal jurisdictions between persons, and sometimes also companies, corporations and other legal entities. This is from the very interesting article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_laws el On 2015-04-07 15:41, Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva wrote:
Dear CCWG-colleagues,
Please find below a group of questions to be posed to the law firms assisting the CCWG-Accountability.
· Are there any restrictions in California law or in applicable federal US-law with respect to government officials (US or foreign) becoming statutory members (or designators) of a non-profit organization? Would all liabilities applied to US or foreign citizens in a membership (or designator) structure equally apply to a government official which has legal immunity and privileges in the United States?
· What are the specific legal requirements for a third-party which may have approval or veto rights over board decisions and what are its liabilities?
· A community veto (be it exercised in a membership or a designator structure) over a bylaw change could be potentially reverted through a court decision in California? Same question applies to a decision made by an Independent Appeals Panel mechanism.
· The fact that the "board bears ultimate responsibility for corporate decisions and must provide oversight of the exercise of those powers it has delegated" (Sidley Austin LLP, Initial Discussion Draft 1, p. 3) implies that the board may eventually revert a community veto (member or designator structure) over its own decision or over the budget it has originally approved?
· Is the Californian Attorney General able to intervene in ICANN's operations upon the complaint of a government (US or other)? How does this situation relate to norms of international private law internalized by the United States?
Thanks in advance,
Secretário Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva
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Hi, On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva < pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br> wrote:
· The fact that the "board bears ultimate responsibility for corporate decisions and must provide oversight of the exercise of those powers it has delegated" (Sidley Austin LLP, Initial Discussion Draft 1, p. 3) implies that the board may eventually revert a community veto (member or designator structure) over its own decision or over the budget it has originally approved?
Will pick the question above to posit a practical scenario which i hope could also address prior questions raised: Scenario: Assuming there is a measure in place to remove board members, will removing board members also fall within the scope of the community veto that board can revert? i.e if community decides to remove its board members, based on board's consistent reversal of community decisions "veto" on specific issue, can that as well be over-ruled by board? I expect such reversal should not be possible by board, and if that expectation is accurate then maybe there should be no great cause for alarm ;-) · Is the Californian Attorney General able to intervene in ICANN's
operations upon the complaint of a government (US or other)? How does this situation relate to norms of international private law internalized by the United States?
I am quite interested in this one as well Cheers!
Thanks in advance,
Secretário Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva
Divisão da Sociedade da Informação (DI)
Ministério das Relações Exteriores - Brasil
T: + 55 61 2030-6609
Secretary Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva
Division of Information Society (DI)
Ministry of External Relations - Brazil
T: + 55 61 2030-6609
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I respectfully suggest that these same questions be asked of any other national jurisdiction under potential consideration as an alternate place of incorporation. If we are going to honor the least change principle that was so frequently noted in Istanbul we must, at a minimum, not spin our wheels on jurisdiction without also analyzing the alternatives. Paul Paul Rosenzweig <mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com> paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl e&id=19&Itemid=9> Link to my PGP Key <http://www.rsaconference.com/events/us15/register?utm_source=inhouse&utm_me dium=email&utm_campaign=signature-us2015> From: Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva [mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br] Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:42 AM To: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Accountability questions to law firms Dear CCWG-colleagues, Please find below a group of questions to be posed to the law firms assisting the CCWG-Accountability. * Are there any restrictions in California law or in applicable federal US-law with respect to government officials (US or foreign) becoming statutory members (or designators) of a non-profit organization? Would all liabilities applied to US or foreign citizens in a membership (or designator) structure equally apply to a government official which has legal immunity and privileges in the United States? * What are the specific legal requirements for a third-party which may have approval or veto rights over board decisions and what are its liabilities? * A community veto (be it exercised in a membership or a designator structure) over a bylaw change could be potentially reverted through a court decision in California? Same question applies to a decision made by an Independent Appeals Panel mechanism. * The fact that the "board bears ultimate responsibility for corporate decisions and must provide oversight of the exercise of those powers it has delegated" (Sidley Austin LLP, Initial Discussion Draft 1, p. 3) implies that the board may eventually revert a community veto (member or designator structure) over its own decision or over the budget it has originally approved? * Is the Californian Attorney General able to intervene in ICANN's operations upon the complaint of a government (US or other)? How does this situation relate to norms of international private law internalized by the United States? Thanks in advance, Secretário Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva Divisão da Sociedade da Informação (DI) Ministério das Relações Exteriores - Brasil T: + 55 61 2030-6609 Secretary Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva Division of Information Society (DI) Ministry of External Relations - Brazil T: + 55 61 2030-6609
Hi Paul, While you have a point about question relating to Jurisdiction, i think there is a valid question about powers of board members that needs legal clarification. By the way a response of "yes/no" on whether board can over-rule removal of its member from legal will generally suffice. Not a legal person, but ultimately i think the content of the bylaw/article of incorporation should determine extent of board powers. Cheers! On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Paul Rosenzweig < paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
I respectfully suggest that these same questions be asked of any other national jurisdiction under potential consideration as an alternate place of incorporation. If we are going to honor the “least change” principle that was so frequently noted in Istanbul we must, at a minimum, not spin our wheels on jurisdiction without also analyzing the alternatives.
Paul
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*From:* Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva [mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:42 AM *To:* accountability-cross-community@icann.org *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] Accountability questions to law firms
Dear CCWG-colleagues,
Please find below a group of questions to be posed to the law firms assisting the CCWG-Accountability.
· Are there any restrictions in California law or in applicable federal US-law with respect to government officials (US or foreign) becoming statutory members (or designators) of a non-profit organization? Would all liabilities applied to US or foreign citizens in a membership (or designator) structure equally apply to a government official which has legal immunity and privileges in the United States?
· What are the specific legal requirements for a third-party which may have approval or veto rights over board decisions and what are its liabilities?
· A community veto (be it exercised in a membership or a designator structure) over a bylaw change could be potentially reverted through a court decision in California? Same question applies to a decision made by an Independent Appeals Panel mechanism.
· The fact that the "board bears ultimate responsibility for corporate decisions and must provide oversight of the exercise of those powers it has delegated" (Sidley Austin LLP, Initial Discussion Draft 1, p. 3) implies that the board may eventually revert a community veto (member or designator structure) over its own decision or over the budget it has originally approved?
· Is the Californian Attorney General able to intervene in ICANN's operations upon the complaint of a government (US or other)? How does this situation relate to norms of international private law internalized by the United States?
Thanks in advance,
Secretário Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva
Divisão da Sociedade da Informação (DI)
Ministério das Relações Exteriores - Brasil
T: + 55 61 2030-6609
Secretary Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva
Division of Information Society (DI)
Ministry of External Relations - Brazil
T: + 55 61 2030-6609
_______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
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Dr Eberhard Lisse -
Paul Rosenzweig -
Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva -
Seun Ojedeji