Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Your public comment re replacement of IANA provider
I happen to largely agree with the Panel's findings, but this seems to be the week for my seeing humour and irony in lots of places. At 21/09/2015 10:57 PM, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
The panel also thought it inappropriate that ICANN filed arguments resisting live testimony before the panelists. They thus issued an interim ruling that the judges would be able to question the witnesses and ultimately did so. So the Board was seen by the panel as uncooperative in this respect.
Article IV, Section 3.12 of the Bylaws reads: "In order to keep the costs and burdens of independent review as low as possible, the IRP Panel should conduct its proceedings by email and otherwise via the Internet to the maximum extent feasible. Where necessary, the IRP Panel may hold meetings by telephone. In the unlikely event that a telephonic or in-person hearing is convened, the hearing shall be limited to argument only; all evidence, including witness statements, must be submitted in writing in advance." By agreeing to live testimony and questioning witnesses, ICANN would have been in violation of its Bylaws. Alan
Very interesting stuff as we evaluate Accountability. The panel took this By-Law into account but when requested to reconsider its 2014 Order that witnesses who had offered statements would be present at the hearing, it apparently relied not only on its Supplementary Procedures but also on Articles III and IV of the ICANN Bylaws regarding Transparency and Accountability. Specifically, the holding was "22. The Panel finds that this last sentence in Paragraph 12 of ICANN's Bylaws, unduly and improperly restricts the Panel's ability to conduct the 'independent review' it has been explicitly mandated to carryout...." In Paragraph 26, the Panel goes on to conclude that the IRP accountability and review process would have no meaning if the Panel were not permitted to hear and question witnesses. This appeared to be based in part on the fact that applicants waived all judicial recourse in the award process when they filed their applications. This reminds us that when evaluating enforcement mechanisms, the Community must be mindful of the true effectiveness of Accountability mechanisms. I think this is part of what Becky was saying when she talked about judicial independence. Interestingly, the ICANN Board complied with the Panel's Order for live witnesses at the hearing. Does this mean they actually did violate the ICANN ByLaws by doing so? I guess it is pretty easy to see how the Board can get caught "between a rock and hard place" in certain situations. (U.S. slang cultural reference to no good alternative). Anne Anne E. Aikman-Scalese Of Counsel Lewis Roca Rothgerber LLP | One South Church Avenue Suite 700 Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611 (T) 520.629.4428 | (F) 520.879.4725 AAikman@lrrlaw.com | www.LRRLaw.com -----Original Message----- From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:34 PM To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; 'Bruce Tonkin'; CCWG Accountability Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Your public comment re replacement of IANA provider I happen to largely agree with the Panel's findings, but this seems to be the week for my seeing humour and irony in lots of places. At 21/09/2015 10:57 PM, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
The panel also thought it inappropriate that ICANN filed arguments resisting live testimony before the panelists. They thus issued an interim ruling that the judges would be able to question the witnesses and ultimately did so. So the Board was seen by the panel as uncooperative in this respect.
Article IV, Section 3.12 of the Bylaws reads: "In order to keep the costs and burdens of independent review as low as possible, the IRP Panel should conduct its proceedings by email and otherwise via the Internet to the maximum extent feasible. Where necessary, the IRP Panel may hold meetings by telephone. In the unlikely event that a telephonic or in-person hearing is convened, the hearing shall be limited to argument only; all evidence, including witness statements, must be submitted in writing in advance." By agreeing to live testimony and questioning witnesses, ICANN would have been in violation of its Bylaws. Alan ________________________________ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If the reader of this message or an attachment is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message or attachment to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender. The information transmitted in this message and any attachments may be privileged, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the intended recipients, and is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §2510-2521.
Hello Anne,
Interestingly, the ICANN Board complied with the Panel's Order for live witnesses at the hearing. Does this mean they actually did violate the ICANN ByLaws by doing so? I guess it is pretty easy to see how the Board can get caught "between a rock and hard place" in certain situations. (U.S. slang cultural reference to no good alternative).
We took the view that this was a direction of the independent panel, and that the complainant had also agreed to participate in a live hearing. The panel was of the view that for a new gTLD applicant - this was their final recourse and that a full heavy weight court style of procedure was appropriate (although expensive for all parties). One thing to think about though going forward is what to do if an "independent" panel doesn’t follow the updated rules of procedure for IRP proceedings. When appointing an independent panel to make binding decisions - I think it is also important to ensure that the panel is also held accountable to whatever rules of procedure are agreed by the community. Regards, Bruce Tonkin
I feel compelled to point out that the independent panel was interpreting the entirety of the rules of proceedings to which it was subject - it did not simply elect to ignore the provision regarding live witnesses. And frankly, the IRP operating rules were changed by staff and without Board approval several times in anticipation of and in response to the ICM arbitration. ICANN staff and I have long disagreed about the need/Bylaws requirement for Board approval of material changes to the IRP procedures. But the bigger point is, I¹m hard pressed to say that very much about the current IRP procedures were ³agreed by the community.² J. Beckwith Burr Neustar, Inc. / Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006 Office: + 1.202.533.2932 Mobile: +1.202.352.6367 / becky.burr@neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz On 9/23/15, 5:42 AM, "Bruce Tonkin" <Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au> wrote:
Hello Anne,
Interestingly, the ICANN Board complied with the Panel's Order for live witnesses at the hearing. Does this mean they actually did violate the ICANN ByLaws by doing so? I guess it is pretty easy to see how the Board can get caught "between a rock and hard place" in certain situations. (U.S. slang cultural reference to no good alternative).
We took the view that this was a direction of the independent panel, and that the complainant had also agreed to participate in a live hearing. The panel was of the view that for a new gTLD applicant - this was their final recourse and that a full heavy weight court style of procedure was appropriate (although expensive for all parties).
One thing to think about though going forward is what to do if an "independent" panel doesn¹t follow the updated rules of procedure for IRP proceedings. When appointing an independent panel to make binding decisions - I think it is also important to ensure that the panel is also held accountable to whatever rules of procedure are agreed by the community.
Regards,
Bruce Tonkin
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