Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Op-Ed from ITIF regarding permanent cross-community group as ultimate authority
I must have missed those stated plans... Alan At 17/12/2014 11:07 PM, Carrie Devorah wrote:
Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO? Sincerely Carrie Devorah
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:41 PM, León Felipe Sánchez AmbÃa <<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote: Dear Kavouss,
I like the idea of examining other options. Which options should we be looking at?
Best regards,
León
El 17/12/2014, a las 14:21, Kavouss Arasteh <<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> escribió:
Dear All, The entity may be one option. However, it is not what we were thinking of First of all, no mentioned was made of GAC Second the composition of the group is not mentioned Third the footing is not mentioned Fourth the legal Framework is not mentioned and More importantly, it seems to me that every possible effort is made to maintain the current structure as we are talking of SO and AC .However, this is not the realistic composition. We need to look at other option in which the process is more democratic. All these SO and AC are not fully democratic as the stakeholder does not have direct role on that Please kindly do not limit us to merely existing practice and model There are variety of possibilities I know most of you are for statuesque But I and many others wants to see and examine other options
Kavouss
2014-12-17 17:45 GMT+01:00 "Carlos Raúl G." <<mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org>crg@isoc-cr.org>: Dear Steve
Are you suggesting we include changes in the bylaws within the scope of the working groups? I would have a few suggestions!
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez <tel:%2B506%208335%202487>+506 8335 2487 Enviado desde mi iPhone
El dic 17, 2014, a las 10:20 AM, Steve DelBianco <<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>sdelbianco@netchoice.org> escribió:
This pertains to our discussion yesterday about a permanent, cross-community âMembershipâ group to hold ICANN board and management accountable to the community. It was described this way in <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/51414327/WorkArea2%20Accountability%20suggestions%20%5Bdraft%203%5D.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1418610739000&api=v2>draft3 for work area 2:
Amend ICANN bylaws to recognize a permanent cross-community representative structure (all ACs, SOs, Constituencies) with authority to:
Appoint members of Affirmation review teams Review a board decision, or resolve a dispute (option to use independent panel) Approve changes to ICANN bylaws or Articles, with 2/3 approval Approve annual proposed ICANN budget Recall one or all ICANN Board members
One of the groups <http://www.innovationfiles.org/key-principles-for-the-icann-transition/>proposing a community of stakeholders as ultimate authority posted a relevant <http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/technology/227375-icann-transition-plan-needs-new-ideas-to-ensure-accountability>Op-Ed in a Washington paper today. Daniel Castro of the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation (ITIF) wrote:
California state law applies since ICANN is a registered nonprofit corporation in the state. As such, California law allows nonprofit organizations to have statutory members. Gunnarson suggests that one way to provide an effective check on the ICANN board's power is to create statutory members of ICANN with extensive authority over the board. This authority could include removing board members, overturning board decisions, etc. The statutory members would likely include the chairs of the various ICANN "supporting organizations" and "advisory committees," such as the Address Supporting Organization (ASO) responsible for IP address policy and the Country Code Name Supporting Organization (ccNSO) responsible for managing the country code top-level domains. To ensure that the statutory members do not hold too much sway, their actions could be limited to situations where there is a supermajority (i.e., consensus).
We welcome further elaboration of legal basis to enable this modification to ICANNâs bylaws in conformance with California law.
Steve DelBianco
Executive Director
NetChoice
<http://www.netchoice.org/>http://www.NetChoice.org and <http://blog.netchoice.org/>http://blog.netchoice.org
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Here is what I emailed to Greg Research, reading. Attending hearings. Are you not aware the intention is to move ICANN to Europe? http://domainnewsafrica.com/can-icann-be-trusted-if-obama-allows-for-oversig... https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=icann+plans+to+move+Iana+to+switzerlan... Offices in LA are rented. Oversight/DRS is shifted to EU Are you aware ICANN was hacked AGAIN even though testified to Congress never been hacked nor will ever be? Last month it was 'spearfished' whatever the heck that is On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:Where did you ever get such an idea? "Stated" by whom? On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I must have missed those stated plans... Alan
At 17/12/2014 11:07 PM, Carrie Devorah wrote:
Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO? Sincerely Carrie Devorah
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:41 PM, León Felipe Sánchez AmbÃa < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote: Dear Kavouss,
I like the idea of examining other options. Which options should we be looking at?
Best regards,
León
El 17/12/2014, a las 14:21, Kavouss Arasteh < kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> escribió:
Dear All, The entity may be one option. However, it is not what we were thinking of First of all, no mentioned was made of GAC Second the composition of the group is not mentioned Third the footing is not mentioned Fourth the legal Framework is not mentioned and More importantly, it seems to me that every possible effort is made to maintain the current structure as we are talking of SO and AC .However, this is not the realistic composition. We need to look at other option in which the process is more democratic. All these SO and AC are not fully democratic as the stakeholder does not have direct role on that Please kindly do not limit us to merely existing practice and model There are variety of possibilities I know most of you are for statuesque But I and many others wants to see and examine other options
Kavouss
2014-12-17 17:45 GMT+01:00 "Carlos Raúl G." <crg@isoc-cr.org>: Dear Steve
Are you suggesting we include changes in the bylaws within the scope of the working groups? I would have a few suggestions!
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8335 2487 Enviado desde mi iPhone
El dic 17, 2014, a las 10:20 AM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org
escribió:
This pertains to our discussion yesterday about a permanent, cross-community ‘Membership’ group to hold ICANN board and management accountable to the community. It was described this way in draft3 <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/51414327/WorkArea2%20Accoun...> for work area 2:
Amend ICANN bylaws to recognize a permanent cross-community representative structure (all ACs, SOs, Constituencies) with authority to:
Appoint members of Affirmation review teams Review a board decision, or resolve a dispute (option to use independent panel) Approve changes to ICANN bylaws or Articles, with 2/3 approval Approve annual proposed ICANN budget Recall one or all ICANN Board members
One of the groups proposing <http://www.innovationfiles.org/key-principles-for-the-icann-transition/> a community of stakeholders as ultimate authority posted a relevant Op-Ed <http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/technology/227375-icann-transition-pla...> in a Washington paper today. Daniel Castro of the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation (ITIF) wrote:
California state law applies since ICANN is a registered nonprofit corporation in the state. As such, California law allows nonprofit organizations to have statutory members. Gunnarson suggests that one way to provide an effective check on the ICANN board's power is to create statutory members of ICANN with extensive authority over the board. This authority could include removing board members, overturning board decisions, etc. The statutory members would likely include the chairs of the various ICANN "supporting organizations" and "advisory committees," such as the Address Supporting Organization (ASO) responsible for IP address policy and the Country Code Name Supporting Organization (ccNSO) responsible for managing the country code top-level domains. To ensure that the statutory members do not hold too much sway, their actions could be limited to situations where there is a supermajority (i.e., consensus).
We welcome further elaboration of legal basis to enable this modification to ICANN’s bylaws in conformance with California law.
Steve DelBianco
Executive Director
NetChoice
http://www.NetChoice.org <http://www.netchoice.org/> and http://blog.netchoice.org
+1.202.420.7482
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-- Sincerely CARRIE Devorah 562 688 2883
DISCLAIMER : With the continuing crossing and interfacing of platforms both on & off line both with & without our knowledge nor approval to note nothing sent over the Internet anymore is ever private nor should be presumed to be so. If it is that much of a secret, say nothing. If you must? Take a lesson from our military- hand write the note, chew then swallow
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-- Sincerely CARRIE Devorah 562 688 2883 DISCLAIMER : With the continuing crossing and interfacing of platforms both on & off line both with & without our knowledge nor approval to note nothing sent over the Internet anymore is ever private nor should be presumed to be so. If it is that much of a secret, say nothing. If you must? Take a lesson from our military- hand write the note, chew then swallow
Hi Carrie, The links you posted point to proposals - several of which are out there - and not any official plan as such. I'm curious - what specific hearing are you talking about? Would be great if you could share more info for the benefit of non-US participants. Best, Arun Sent from my iPhone
On 18-Dec-2014, at 10:45 am, Carrie Devorah <carriedev@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what I emailed to Greg
Research, reading. Attending hearings. Are you not aware the intention is to move ICANN to Europe?
http://domainnewsafrica.com/can-icann-be-trusted-if-obama-allows-for-oversig...
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=icann+plans+to+move+Iana+to+switzerlan...
Offices in LA are rented. Oversight/DRS is shifted to EU
Are you aware ICANN was hacked AGAIN even though testified to Congress never been hacked nor will ever be? Last month it was 'spearfished' whatever the heck that is
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:Where did you ever get such an idea? "Stated" by whom?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I must have missed those stated plans... Alan
At 17/12/2014 11:07 PM, Carrie Devorah wrote:
Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO? Sincerely Carrie Devorah
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:41 PM, León Felipe Sánchez AmbÃa <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote: Dear Kavouss,
I like the idea of examining other options. Which options should we be looking at?
Best regards,
León
El 17/12/2014, a las 14:21, Kavouss Arasteh < kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> escribió:
Dear All, The entity may be one option. However, it is not what we were thinking of First of all, no mentioned was made of GAC Second the composition of the group is not mentioned Third the footing is not mentioned Fourth the legal Framework is not mentioned and More importantly, it seems to me that every possible effort is made to maintain the current structure as we are talking of SO and AC .However, this is not the realistic composition. We need to look at other option in which the process is more democratic. All these SO and AC are not fully democratic as the stakeholder does not have direct role on that Please kindly do not limit us to merely existing practice and model There are variety of possibilities I know most of you are for statuesque But I and many others wants to see and examine other options
Kavouss
2014-12-17 17:45 GMT+01:00 "Carlos Raúl G." <crg@isoc-cr.org>: Dear Steve
Are you suggesting we include changes in the bylaws within the scope of the working groups? I would have a few suggestions!
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8335 2487 Enviado desde mi iPhone
El dic 17, 2014, a las 10:20 AM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org > escribió:
This pertains to our discussion yesterday about a permanent, cross-community ‘Membership’ group to hold ICANN board and management accountable to the community. It was described this way in draft3 for work area 2:
Amend ICANN bylaws to recognize a permanent cross-community representative structure (all ACs, SOs, Constituencies) with authority to:
Appoint members of Affirmation review teams Review a board decision, or resolve a dispute (option to use independent panel) Approve changes to ICANN bylaws or Articles, with 2/3 approval Approve annual proposed ICANN budget Recall one or all ICANN Board members
One of the groups proposing a community of stakeholders as ultimate authority posted a relevant Op-Ed in a Washington paper today. Daniel Castro of the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation (ITIF) wrote:
California state law applies since ICANN is a registered nonprofit corporation in the state. As such, California law allows nonprofit organizations to have statutory members. Gunnarson suggests that one way to provide an effective check on the ICANN board's power is to create statutory members of ICANN with extensive authority over the board. This authority could include removing board members, overturning board decisions, etc. The statutory members would likely include the chairs of the various ICANN "supporting organizations" and "advisory committees," such as the Address Supporting Organization (ASO) responsible for IP address policy and the Country Code Name Supporting Organization (ccNSO) responsible for managing the country code top-level domains. To ensure that the statutory members do not hold too much sway, their actions could be limited to situations where there is a supermajority (i.e., consensus).
We welcome further elaboration of legal basis to enable this modification to ICANN’s bylaws in conformance with California law.
Steve DelBianco
Executive Director
NetChoice
http://www.NetChoice.org and http://blog.netchoice.org
+1.202.420.7482
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-- Sincerely CARRIE Devorah 562 688 2883
DISCLAIMER : With the continuing crossing and interfacing of platforms both on & off line both with & without our knowledge nor approval to note nothing sent over the Internet anymore is ever private nor should be presumed to be so. If it is that much of a secret, say nothing. If you must? Take a lesson from our military- hand write the note, chew then swallow
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-- Sincerely CARRIE Devorah 562 688 2883
DISCLAIMER : With the continuing crossing and interfacing of platforms both on & off line both with & without our knowledge nor approval to note nothing sent over the Internet anymore is ever private nor should be presumed to be so. If it is that much of a secret, say nothing. If you must? Take a lesson from our military- hand write the note, chew then swallow
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Hi Arun House- Judiciary. I believe it was March 14(?) but March 2014 Fadi testified before the House Amongst his statements were that ICANN was never hacked. THis hearing was my first encounter with ICANN. I learned that night ICANN began with a hack. Soon after Jon Postel died and then Crocker began push for ICANN. Fast forward to my attending that hearing, within a month or so ICANN was hacked twice Fadi testified answering generally about DRS for Americans never once stating, as it is appearing in ICANN papers that DRS are adressed in a WIPO forum in Switzerland. I dont think most are reading the site as I have been hence coming across that I think you also want to look up the Darshana Leitner win in DC Courts against ICANN. Jones Day claims for ICANN there is no value to the suffixes. Which beggars the question if there is no value how come they are going at auction for millions of dollars And ICANN claims it does not have, as I recall, the authority alleging there is another entity with the authority, again research the suit Most concerning is the process has alot of volunteers busy but the ultimate decision in the Boards At an AEI event Crocker was not expected at, I asked him to disclose about Shinkuro and 1net.org He said the Board know about it. He also answered another questioner's concern for IP that ICANN has nothing to do with IP. THere is alot more. It is important to read and research On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Arun Sukumar <arun.sukumar@nludelhi.ac.in> wrote:
Hi Carrie,
The links you posted point to proposals - several of which are out there - and not any official plan as such. I'm curious - what specific hearing are you talking about? Would be great if you could share more info for the benefit of non-US participants.
Best, Arun
Sent from my iPhone
On 18-Dec-2014, at 10:45 am, Carrie Devorah <carriedev@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what I emailed to Greg
Research, reading. Attending hearings. Are you not aware the intention is to move ICANN to Europe?
http://domainnewsafrica.com/can-icann-be-trusted-if-obama-allows-for-oversig...
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=icann+plans+to+move+Iana+to+switzerlan...
Offices in LA are rented. Oversight/DRS is shifted to EU
Are you aware ICANN was hacked AGAIN even though testified to Congress never been hacked nor will ever be? Last month it was 'spearfished' whatever the heck that is
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:Where did you ever get such an idea? "Stated" by whom?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca
wrote:
I must have missed those stated plans... Alan
At 17/12/2014 11:07 PM, Carrie Devorah wrote:
Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO? Sincerely Carrie Devorah
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:41 PM, León Felipe Sánchez AmbÃa < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote: Dear Kavouss,
I like the idea of examining other options. Which options should we be looking at?
Best regards,
León
El 17/12/2014, a las 14:21, Kavouss Arasteh < kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> escribió:
Dear All, The entity may be one option. However, it is not what we were thinking of First of all, no mentioned was made of GAC Second the composition of the group is not mentioned Third the footing is not mentioned Fourth the legal Framework is not mentioned and More importantly, it seems to me that every possible effort is made to maintain the current structure as we are talking of SO and AC .However, this is not the realistic composition. We need to look at other option in which the process is more democratic. All these SO and AC are not fully democratic as the stakeholder does not have direct role on that Please kindly do not limit us to merely existing practice and model There are variety of possibilities I know most of you are for statuesque But I and many others wants to see and examine other options
Kavouss
2014-12-17 17:45 GMT+01:00 "Carlos Raúl G." <crg@isoc-cr.org>: Dear Steve
Are you suggesting we include changes in the bylaws within the scope of the working groups? I would have a few suggestions!
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8335 2487 Enviado desde mi iPhone
El dic 17, 2014, a las 10:20 AM, Steve DelBianco < sdelbianco@netchoice.org > escribió:
This pertains to our discussion yesterday about a permanent, cross-community ‘Membership’ group to hold ICANN board and management accountable to the community. It was described this way in draft3 <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/51414327/WorkArea2%20Accoun...> for work area 2:
Amend ICANN bylaws to recognize a permanent cross-community representative structure (all ACs, SOs, Constituencies) with authority to:
Appoint members of Affirmation review teams Review a board decision, or resolve a dispute (option to use independent panel) Approve changes to ICANN bylaws or Articles, with 2/3 approval Approve annual proposed ICANN budget Recall one or all ICANN Board members
One of the groups proposing <http://www.innovationfiles.org/key-principles-for-the-icann-transition/> a community of stakeholders as ultimate authority posted a relevant Op-Ed <http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/technology/227375-icann-transition-pla...> in a Washington paper today. Daniel Castro of the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation (ITIF) wrote:
California state law applies since ICANN is a registered nonprofit corporation in the state. As such, California law allows nonprofit organizations to have statutory members. Gunnarson suggests that one way to provide an effective check on the ICANN board's power is to create statutory members of ICANN with extensive authority over the board. This authority could include removing board members, overturning board decisions, etc. The statutory members would likely include the chairs of the various ICANN "supporting organizations" and "advisory committees," such as the Address Supporting Organization (ASO) responsible for IP address policy and the Country Code Name Supporting Organization (ccNSO) responsible for managing the country code top-level domains. To ensure that the statutory members do not hold too much sway, their actions could be limited to situations where there is a supermajority (i.e., consensus).
We welcome further elaboration of legal basis to enable this modification to ICANN’s bylaws in conformance with California law.
Steve DelBianco
Executive Director
NetChoice
http://www.NetChoice.org <http://www.netchoice.org/> and http://blog.netchoice.org
+1.202.420.7482
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DISCLAIMER : With the continuing crossing and interfacing of platforms both on & off line both with & without our knowledge nor approval to note nothing sent over the Internet anymore is ever private nor should be presumed to be so. If it is that much of a secret, say nothing. If you must? Take a lesson from our military- hand write the note, chew then swallow
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-- Sincerely CARRIE Devorah 562 688 2883
DISCLAIMER : With the continuing crossing and interfacing of platforms both on & off line both with & without our knowledge nor approval to note nothing sent over the Internet anymore is ever private nor should be presumed to be so. If it is that much of a secret, say nothing. If you must? Take a lesson from our military- hand write the note, chew then swallow
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-- Sincerely CARRIE Devorah 562 688 2883 DISCLAIMER : With the continuing crossing and interfacing of platforms both on & off line both with & without our knowledge nor approval to note nothing sent over the Internet anymore is ever private nor should be presumed to be so. If it is that much of a secret, say nothing. If you must? Take a lesson from our military- hand write the note, chew then swallow
Dear co-Chairs, (through the chair) would you agree with me that someone who uses domainnewsafrica.com and an (unreflected) Yahoo search as sources, does not know what Spearfishing is, considers rented offices in LA and dispute resolution in Europe (ie WIPO) as indication of intention to leave the country, should go to the Principal's office to get a few with the clue stick? greetings, el Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On Dec 18, 2014, at 07:15, Carrie Devorah <carriedev@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what I emailed to Greg
Research, reading. Attending hearings. Are you not aware the intention is to move ICANN to Europe?
http://domainnewsafrica.com/can-icann-be-trusted-if-obama-allows-for-oversig...
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=icann+plans+to+move+Iana+to+switzerlan...
Offices in LA are rented. Oversight/DRS is shifted to EU
Are you aware ICANN was hacked AGAIN even though testified to Congress never been hacked nor will ever be? Last month it was 'spearfished' whatever the heck that is
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:Where did you ever get such an idea? "Stated" by whom?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I must have missed those stated plans... Alan
At 17/12/2014 11:07 PM, Carrie Devorah wrote:
Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO? Sincerely Carrie Devorah
[...]
References were looked to for immediate answer. Research ICANN papers for the details. ICANN reported the hack, Dr. of what may I ask? On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Dear co-Chairs,
(through the chair)
would you agree with me that someone who uses domainnewsafrica.com and an (unreflected) Yahoo search as sources, does not know what Spearfishing is, considers rented offices in LA and dispute resolution in Europe (ie WIPO) as indication of intention to leave the country, should go to the Principal's office to get a few with the clue stick?
greetings, el
Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On Dec 18, 2014, at 07:15, Carrie Devorah <carriedev@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what I emailed to Greg
Research, reading. Attending hearings. Are you not aware the intention is to move ICANN to Europe?
http://domainnewsafrica.com/can-icann-be-trusted-if-obama-allows-for-oversig...
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=icann+plans+to+move+Iana+to+switzerlan...
Offices in LA are rented. Oversight/DRS is shifted to EU
Are you aware ICANN was hacked AGAIN even though testified to Congress never been hacked nor will ever be? Last month it was 'spearfished' whatever the heck that is
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:Where did you ever get such an idea? "Stated" by whom?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca
wrote:
I must have missed those stated plans... Alan
At 17/12/2014 11:07 PM, Carrie Devorah wrote:
Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO? Sincerely Carrie Devorah
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The DomainNewsAfrica article is actually an article from The Daily Caller website -- but actually only the first page; apparently they couldn't be bothered to cut and paste the second page. The article engages in some speculation about the Swiss idea, but hardly reports that it is ICANN's "intention" to move ICANN to Europe. On the whole, it reports that it is not, but points to some statements by Fadi Chehade sufficient to support speculation, as well as other statements intended to quell such speculation. The Yahoo search is even more useless as a citation for this idea. And, yes, I was aware that ICANN was "spear phished" (not "spearfished"). FYI, spear phishing is a form of phishing using email spoofing to target an organization with the goal of gaining access to confidential data. Through spoofing, the recipient believes they are receiving an email from a trusted individual known to the recipient. The spear phisher will request that the recipient take an action that will ultimately result in the phisher gaining access to confidential information. What do you mean when you refer to "DRS"? I assume you are referring to URS (and/or UDRP?) The fact that WIPO acts as an arbitral body for these dispute resolution mechanisms proves nothing. I look forward to a citation to a hearing where someone from ICANN said they were moving the organization out of the US and into Switzerland. Greg *Gregory S. Shatan **|* *Abelman Frayne & Schwab* *666 Third Avenue **|** New York, NY 10017-5621* *Direct* 212-885-9253 *| **Main* 212-949-9022 *Fax* 212-949-9190 *|* *Cell *917-816-6428 *gsshatan@lawabel.com <gsshatan@lawabel.com>* *ICANN-related: gregshatanipc@gmail.com <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> * *www.lawabel.com <http://www.lawabel.com/>* On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Dear co-Chairs,
(through the chair)
would you agree with me that someone who uses domainnewsafrica.com and an (unreflected) Yahoo search as sources, does not know what Spearfishing is, considers rented offices in LA and dispute resolution in Europe (ie WIPO) as indication of intention to leave the country, should go to the Principal's office to get a few with the clue stick?
greetings, el
Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On Dec 18, 2014, at 07:15, Carrie Devorah <carriedev@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what I emailed to Greg
Research, reading. Attending hearings. Are you not aware the intention is to move ICANN to Europe?
http://domainnewsafrica.com/can-icann-be-trusted-if-obama-allows-for-oversig...
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=icann+plans+to+move+Iana+to+switzerlan...
Offices in LA are rented. Oversight/DRS is shifted to EU
Are you aware ICANN was hacked AGAIN even though testified to Congress never been hacked nor will ever be? Last month it was 'spearfished' whatever the heck that is
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:Where did you ever get such an idea? "Stated" by whom?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca
wrote:
I must have missed those stated plans... Alan
At 17/12/2014 11:07 PM, Carrie Devorah wrote:
Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO? Sincerely Carrie Devorah
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Hi Greg Theft is theft, be it phishing or fishing. It is theft. It took me a year to facilitate the House Judiciary moving forward on THEFT and away from trolling, hacking, et al. Theft is a criminal behaviour. There are too many cutesy names which do nothing more than gum up crime solving. Phishing or fishing, ICANN got hacked/stolen from https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2014-12-16-en I am deep into other papers that are going to keep me, for the most part monitoring through the end of January. Dr. I researched quickly- you are a gynecologist. I spent months since I met Steve and Fadi researching ICANN, its alleged related charities, and Crocker's private company, and the push to remove IANA out of America. Unable to dig back into papers due to time crunch. I am a Content creator, Dr. And I built a crime lab. You have a starting point to do your own research, the same as I have. Dr., by the way, we do things a bit different here in DC. We dont mock people because we dont trust what they say. We take what they say seriously to do our own vetting. As the head of the Namidian Internet since 1994, I would expect you will do research and even look towards how the gTLD auctions are decimating IP in Namibia, as they are elsewere Sincerely Carrie Devorah 562 688 2883 Founder THE CENTER FOR COPYRIGHTS INTEGRITY www.centerforcopyrightintegrity.com Where ARTS, IP, ID, IT and ENFORCEMENT Come Together In One Voice Against Online Theft Of Content and Commerce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I93F73UYmsw&feature=youtu.be CCIA : Profiler : trained MPI : LACBA-DRS : CA-BSIS Actively built the 1st discrete site crime analysis lab on a campus in North America *COFFEE @ CLOCKERs "A Sense Of Place"* Licensor http://ybltv.com/?p=306 Retired White House News Photographers Association Alumnus Covering Capitol Hill and the White House for Almost a Decade On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
The DomainNewsAfrica article is actually an article from The Daily Caller website -- but actually only the first page; apparently they couldn't be bothered to cut and paste the second page. The article engages in some speculation about the Swiss idea, but hardly reports that it is ICANN's "intention" to move ICANN to Europe. On the whole, it reports that it is not, but points to some statements by Fadi Chehade sufficient to support speculation, as well as other statements intended to quell such speculation.
The Yahoo search is even more useless as a citation for this idea.
And, yes, I was aware that ICANN was "spear phished" (not "spearfished"). FYI, spear phishing is a form of phishing using email spoofing to target an organization with the goal of gaining access to confidential data. Through spoofing, the recipient believes they are receiving an email from a trusted individual known to the recipient. The spear phisher will request that the recipient take an action that will ultimately result in the phisher gaining access to confidential information.
What do you mean when you refer to "DRS"? I assume you are referring to URS (and/or UDRP?) The fact that WIPO acts as an arbitral body for these dispute resolution mechanisms proves nothing.
I look forward to a citation to a hearing where someone from ICANN said they were moving the organization out of the US and into Switzerland.
Greg
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*Fax* 212-949-9190 *|* *Cell *917-816-6428
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On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Dear co-Chairs,
(through the chair)
would you agree with me that someone who uses domainnewsafrica.com and an (unreflected) Yahoo search as sources, does not know what Spearfishing is, considers rented offices in LA and dispute resolution in Europe (ie WIPO) as indication of intention to leave the country, should go to the Principal's office to get a few with the clue stick?
greetings, el
Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On Dec 18, 2014, at 07:15, Carrie Devorah <carriedev@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what I emailed to Greg
Research, reading. Attending hearings. Are you not aware the intention is to move ICANN to Europe?
http://domainnewsafrica.com/can-icann-be-trusted-if-obama-allows-for-oversig...
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=icann+plans+to+move+Iana+to+switzerlan...
Offices in LA are rented. Oversight/DRS is shifted to EU
Are you aware ICANN was hacked AGAIN even though testified to Congress never been hacked nor will ever be? Last month it was 'spearfished' whatever the heck that is
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:Where did you ever get such an idea? "Stated" by whom?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Alan Greenberg < alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I must have missed those stated plans... Alan
At 17/12/2014 11:07 PM, Carrie Devorah wrote:
Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO? Sincerely Carrie Devorah
[...]
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-- Sincerely CARRIE Devorah 562 688 2883 DISCLAIMER : With the continuing crossing and interfacing of platforms both on & off line both with & without our knowledge nor approval to note nothing sent over the Internet anymore is ever private nor should be presumed to be so. If it is that much of a secret, say nothing. If you must? Take a lesson from our military- hand write the note, chew then swallow
Dear Carrie, Indulge Greg. He loves teaching with an attitude but dislike misinformation. I believe that he was trying is best to contribute to your investigative journalism or research by correcting the jargon. ICANN thrives on jargon's that you need to be careful with. However, you are missing the story. A transition is ongoing. Yes. No discuss was made on shifting the ICANN Headquarters. No. I believe what you meant by the question of moving ICANN out of America is the stand that ICANN should not fall to the hands of any Government. Correct me if am wrong. Lets start from the above. -Akinbo On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Carrie Devorah <carriedev@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Greg
Theft is theft, be it phishing or fishing. It is theft. It took me a year to facilitate the House Judiciary moving forward on THEFT and away from trolling, hacking, et al. Theft is a criminal behaviour. There are too many cutesy names which do nothing more than gum up crime solving.
Phishing or fishing, ICANN got hacked/stolen from https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2014-12-16-en
I am deep into other papers that are going to keep me, for the most part monitoring through the end of January.
Dr. I researched quickly- you are a gynecologist. I spent months since I met Steve and Fadi researching ICANN, its alleged related charities, and Crocker's private company, and the push to remove IANA out of America. Unable to dig back into papers due to time crunch.
I am a Content creator, Dr. And I built a crime lab. You have a starting point to do your own research, the same as I have.
Dr., by the way, we do things a bit different here in DC. We dont mock people because we dont trust what they say. We take what they say seriously to do our own vetting. As the head of the Namidian Internet since 1994, I would expect you will do research and even look towards how the gTLD auctions are decimating IP in Namibia, as they are elsewere
Sincerely Carrie Devorah 562 688 2883
Founder THE CENTER FOR COPYRIGHTS INTEGRITY www.centerforcopyrightintegrity.com Where ARTS, IP, ID, IT and ENFORCEMENT Come Together In One Voice Against Online Theft Of Content and Commerce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I93F73UYmsw&feature=youtu.be
CCIA : Profiler : trained MPI : LACBA-DRS : CA-BSIS Actively built the 1st discrete site crime analysis lab on a campus in North America *COFFEE @ CLOCKERs "A Sense Of Place"*
Licensor http://ybltv.com/?p=306
Retired White House News Photographers Association Alumnus Covering Capitol Hill and the White House for Almost a Decade
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
The DomainNewsAfrica article is actually an article from The Daily Caller website -- but actually only the first page; apparently they couldn't be bothered to cut and paste the second page. The article engages in some speculation about the Swiss idea, but hardly reports that it is ICANN's "intention" to move ICANN to Europe. On the whole, it reports that it is not, but points to some statements by Fadi Chehade sufficient to support speculation, as well as other statements intended to quell such speculation.
The Yahoo search is even more useless as a citation for this idea.
And, yes, I was aware that ICANN was "spear phished" (not "spearfished"). FYI, spear phishing is a form of phishing using email spoofing to target an organization with the goal of gaining access to confidential data. Through spoofing, the recipient believes they are receiving an email from a trusted individual known to the recipient. The spear phisher will request that the recipient take an action that will ultimately result in the phisher gaining access to confidential information.
What do you mean when you refer to "DRS"? I assume you are referring to URS (and/or UDRP?) The fact that WIPO acts as an arbitral body for these dispute resolution mechanisms proves nothing.
I look forward to a citation to a hearing where someone from ICANN said they were moving the organization out of the US and into Switzerland.
Greg
*Gregory S. Shatan **|* *Abelman Frayne & Schwab*
*666 Third Avenue **|** New York, NY 10017-5621*
*Direct* 212-885-9253 *| **Main* 212-949-9022
*Fax* 212-949-9190 *|* *Cell *917-816-6428
*gsshatan@lawabel.com <gsshatan@lawabel.com>*
*ICANN-related: gregshatanipc@gmail.com <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> *
*www.lawabel.com <http://www.lawabel.com/>*
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Dear co-Chairs,
(through the chair)
would you agree with me that someone who uses domainnewsafrica.com and an (unreflected) Yahoo search as sources, does not know what Spearfishing is, considers rented offices in LA and dispute resolution in Europe (ie WIPO) as indication of intention to leave the country, should go to the Principal's office to get a few with the clue stick?
greetings, el
Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On Dec 18, 2014, at 07:15, Carrie Devorah <carriedev@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what I emailed to Greg
Research, reading. Attending hearings. Are you not aware the intention is to move ICANN to Europe?
http://domainnewsafrica.com/can-icann-be-trusted-if-obama-allows-for-oversig...
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=icann+plans+to+move+Iana+to+switzerlan...
Offices in LA are rented. Oversight/DRS is shifted to EU
Are you aware ICANN was hacked AGAIN even though testified to Congress never been hacked nor will ever be? Last month it was 'spearfished' whatever the heck that is
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:Where did you ever get such an idea? "Stated" by whom?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Alan Greenberg < alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I must have missed those stated plans... Alan
At 17/12/2014 11:07 PM, Carrie Devorah wrote:
Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO? Sincerely Carrie Devorah
[...]
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-- Sincerely CARRIE Devorah 562 688 2883
DISCLAIMER : With the continuing crossing and interfacing of platforms both on & off line both with & without our knowledge nor approval to note nothing sent over the Internet anymore is ever private nor should be presumed to be so. If it is that much of a secret, say nothing. If you must? Take a lesson from our military- hand write the note, chew then swallow
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Adebunmi AKINBO -
Alan Greenberg -
Arun Sukumar -
Carrie Devorah -
Dr Eberhard W Lisse -
Greg Shatan