Third Draft Proposal
Dear CCWG, Co-Chairs and ICANN Staff, It has been brought to our attention that our comments on the Third Draft Proposal have been misunderstood by some to indicate that we are critical of the Draft. Our intent was simply to help to assure that the Final Proposal is the highest quality reflection of the solid efforts of the CCWG to date by pointing out where we thought some clarification would be helpful to an unfamiliar reader and to the eventual bylaw drafting effort. We sent the comments to CCWG in the interests of transparency so that the group is aware of our suggestions for the Final Report and/or implementation phase. We do not view our comments as suggesting any changes in policy approach. We are sorry to hear that our comments have been taken by some to criticize the work of the CCWG, Co-Chairs and Staff. That was in no way our intent. Kind regards, Holly and Rosemary HOLLY J. GREGORY Partner and Co-Chair Global Corporate Governance & Executive Compensation Practice Sidley Austin LLP 787 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10019 +1 212 839 5853 holly.gregory@sidley.com<mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com> www.sidley.com<http://www.sidley.com/> [http://www.sidley.com/files/upload/signatures/SA-autosig.png]<http://www.sidley.com/> SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP **************************************************************************************************** This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify us immediately. ****************************************************************************************************
Hi Holly, Hi Rosemary, Thank you for this important clarification. Chairing a disparate group of ICANN community members and attempting to guide them to consensus is hard enough without valuable and relevant input being characterised as criticism. At this stage in the process it is important that all input is treated with respect. Assumptions made about motives etc really should be put aside and comments should be judged on their merits rather than against the time line. Clarity before the by-law drafting process starts is critical IMO. Cheers, Chris Disspain | Chief Executive Officer .au Domain Administration Ltd T: +61 3 8341 4111 | F: +61 3 8341 4112 E: ceo@auda.org.au <mailto:ceo@auda.org.au> | W: www.auda.org.au <http://www.auda.org.au/> auDA – Australia’s Domain Name Administrator Important Notice - This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
On 22 Dec 2015, at 07:51 , Gregory, Holly <holly.gregory@sidley.com> wrote:
Dear CCWG, Co-Chairs and ICANN Staff, It has been brought to our attention that our comments on the Third Draft Proposal have been misunderstood by some to indicate that we are critical of the Draft. Our intent was simply to help to assure that the Final Proposal is the highest quality reflection of the solid efforts of the CCWG to date by pointing out where we thought some clarification would be helpful to an unfamiliar reader and to the eventual bylaw drafting effort. We sent the comments to CCWG in the interests of transparency so that the group is aware of our suggestions for the Final Report and/or implementation phase. We do not view our comments as suggesting any changes in policy approach. We are sorry to hear that our comments have been taken by some to criticize the work of the CCWG, Co-Chairs and Staff. That was in no way our intent. Kind regards, Holly and Rosemary
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Dear Holly and Rosemary: Dear CCWG, Co-Chairs and ICANN Staff, It has been brought to our attention that our comments on the Third Draft Proposal have been misunderstood by some to indicate that we are critical of the Draft. Our intent was simply to help to assure that the Final Proposal is the highest quality reflection of the solid efforts of the CCWG to date by pointing out where we thought some clarification would be helpful to an unfamiliar reader and to the eventual bylaw drafting effort. MM: I do not think anyone suggested that your comments were critical of the substance of the draft, or of the CCWG, or of anyone’s motives. You did, however, point out that there was a need for clarification where the draft may not have reflected the intent of the CCWG. You duly made some quite reasonable suggestions to fix the problems. These suggestions were not reflected in the draft. Those are simple facts. Some of those changes were pretty important; e.g., changing “the interests of the corporation” to “the global public interest” determined via a bottom up MS process. As you surely know, there is a major controversy on this list. Many of us believe the co-chairs are responding to the time pressure (about which they have legitimate concerns) by rushing things through to meet an arbitrary date target and not giving due consideration to public comments or even to the kind of changes you suggested. There’s no way around it: Rosemary’s message pretty much confirmed those concerns. This doesn’t say anything about motives and is not a personal criticism of anyone. It simply calls our attention to the costs of rushing. So, thanks for reiterating your proposed editorial changes and I hope they are incorporated this time. Dr. Milton L. Mueller Professor, School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology
Every once in a while, I agree with Milton Mueller. This is one of those times. I'm not sure how anyone can comment on and revise a draft document without being (constructively) critical. It's also important to be transparent about the process, even if the transparency exposes some of the shortcomings of the process or the result (as a matter of fact, that is when transparency is most important). I'm not sure why anyone would see any negative intent in counsels' email. This email list is a workspace, after all, and this is what work looks like. Frankly, I'd be a lot more concerned if counsel did not reiterate important comments that were not incorporated in a prior draft. Good counsel tells you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear. I think Rosemary and Holly did everything right in this instance. I think the changes suggested were sensible, appropriate and consistent with my understanding of what we intended to say (i.e., our policy approach). I was disappointed to see that some of these sensible (and as Milton said, important) changes were not made the first time around, and I join Milton in hoping they are incorporated this time. Greg Shatan On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu> wrote:
Dear Holly and Rosemary:
Dear CCWG, Co-Chairs and ICANN Staff, It has been brought to our attention that our comments on the Third Draft Proposal have been misunderstood by some to indicate that we are critical of the Draft. Our intent was simply to help to assure that the Final Proposal is the highest quality reflection of the solid efforts of the CCWG to date by pointing out where we thought some clarification would be helpful to an unfamiliar reader and to the eventual bylaw drafting effort.
MM: I do not think anyone suggested that your comments were critical of the substance of the draft, or of the CCWG, or of anyone’s motives. You did, however, point out that there was a need for clarification where the draft may not have reflected the intent of the CCWG. You duly made some quite reasonable suggestions to fix the problems. These suggestions were not reflected in the draft. Those are simple facts.
Some of those changes were pretty important; e.g., changing “the interests of the corporation” to “the global public interest” determined via a bottom up MS process.
As you surely know, there is a major controversy on this list. Many of us believe the co-chairs are responding to the time pressure (about which they have legitimate concerns) by rushing things through to meet an arbitrary date target and not giving due consideration to public comments or even to the kind of changes you suggested. There’s no way around it: Rosemary’s message pretty much confirmed those concerns. This doesn’t say anything about motives and is not a personal criticism of anyone. It simply calls our attention to the costs of rushing. So, thanks for reiterating your proposed editorial changes and I hope they are incorporated this time.
Dr. Milton L. Mueller
Professor, School of Public Policy
Georgia Institute of Technology
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In agreement with Milton and Greg. We are getting there colleagues the journey that remains is shorter than the one we have covered. Constructive criticism is required at this point in time if we are to end up with a good product. Regards<div id="DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><table style="border-top: 1px solid #aaabb6; margin-top: 10px;"> <tr> <td style="width: 105px; padding-top: 15px;"> <a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig..." target="_blank"><img src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/logo-avast-v1.png" style="width: 90px; height:33px;"/></a> </td> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 20px; color: #41424e; font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 18px;">This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. <br /><a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig..." target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com</a> </td> </tr> </table><a href="#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" height="1"></a></div> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
Every once in a while, I agree with Milton Mueller. This is one of those times.
I'm not sure how anyone can comment on and revise a draft document without being (constructively) critical. It's also important to be transparent about the process, even if the transparency exposes some of the shortcomings of the process or the result (as a matter of fact, that is when transparency is most important).
I'm not sure why anyone would see any negative intent in counsels' email. This email list is a workspace, after all, and this is what work looks like.
Frankly, I'd be a lot more concerned if counsel did not reiterate important comments that were not incorporated in a prior draft. Good counsel tells you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear.
I think Rosemary and Holly did everything right in this instance. I think the changes suggested were sensible, appropriate and consistent with my understanding of what we intended to say (i.e., our policy approach). I was disappointed to see that some of these sensible (and as Milton said, important) changes were not made the first time around, and I join Milton in hoping they are incorporated this time.
Greg Shatan
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu> wrote:
Dear Holly and Rosemary:
Dear CCWG, Co-Chairs and ICANN Staff, It has been brought to our attention that our comments on the Third Draft Proposal have been misunderstood by some to indicate that we are critical of the Draft. Our intent was simply to help to assure that the Final Proposal is the highest quality reflection of the solid efforts of the CCWG to date by pointing out where we thought some clarification would be helpful to an unfamiliar reader and to the eventual bylaw drafting effort.
MM: I do not think anyone suggested that your comments were critical of the substance of the draft, or of the CCWG, or of anyone’s motives. You did, however, point out that there was a need for clarification where the draft may not have reflected the intent of the CCWG. You duly made some quite reasonable suggestions to fix the problems. These suggestions were not reflected in the draft. Those are simple facts.
Some of those changes were pretty important; e.g., changing “the interests of the corporation” to “the global public interest” determined via a bottom up MS process.
As you surely know, there is a major controversy on this list. Many of us believe the co-chairs are responding to the time pressure (about which they have legitimate concerns) by rushing things through to meet an arbitrary date target and not giving due consideration to public comments or even to the kind of changes you suggested. There’s no way around it: Rosemary’s message pretty much confirmed those concerns. This doesn’t say anything about motives and is not a personal criticism of anyone. It simply calls our attention to the costs of rushing. So, thanks for reiterating your proposed editorial changes and I hope they are incorporated this time.
Dr. Milton L. Mueller
Professor, School of Public Policy
Georgia Institute of Technology
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Exactly right Milton – but I am sure that the plea for more time will fall on deaf ears. S Paul Rosenzweig <mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com> paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article...> Link to my PGP Key <http://www.rsaconference.com/events/us16?utm_source=signature&utm_medium=ema...> From: Mueller, Milton L [mailto:milton@gatech.edu] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 9:51 PM To: Gregory, Holly <holly.gregory@sidley.com>; Accountability Cross Community (accountability-cross-community@icann.org) <accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>; Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net>; ACCT-Staff <acct-staff@icann.org> Cc: Sidley ICANN CCWG <sidleyicannccwg@sidley.com>; ICANN-Adler <ICANN@adlercolvin.com> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Third Draft Proposal Dear Holly and Rosemary: Dear CCWG, Co-Chairs and ICANN Staff, It has been brought to our attention that our comments on the Third Draft Proposal have been misunderstood by some to indicate that we are critical of the Draft. Our intent was simply to help to assure that the Final Proposal is the highest quality reflection of the solid efforts of the CCWG to date by pointing out where we thought some clarification would be helpful to an unfamiliar reader and to the eventual bylaw drafting effort. MM: I do not think anyone suggested that your comments were critical of the substance of the draft, or of the CCWG, or of anyone’s motives. You did, however, point out that there was a need for clarification where the draft may not have reflected the intent of the CCWG. You duly made some quite reasonable suggestions to fix the problems. These suggestions were not reflected in the draft. Those are simple facts. Some of those changes were pretty important; e.g., changing “the interests of the corporation” to “the global public interest” determined via a bottom up MS process. As you surely know, there is a major controversy on this list. Many of us believe the co-chairs are responding to the time pressure (about which they have legitimate concerns) by rushing things through to meet an arbitrary date target and not giving due consideration to public comments or even to the kind of changes you suggested. There’s no way around it: Rosemary’s message pretty much confirmed those concerns. This doesn’t say anything about motives and is not a personal criticism of anyone. It simply calls our attention to the costs of rushing. So, thanks for reiterating your proposed editorial changes and I hope they are incorporated this time. Dr. Milton L. Mueller Professor, School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology
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