Fwd: [Acct-Legal] Public comment on draft Articles of Incorporation?
All, please see below an e-mail from Holly, which did not make it to the CCWG list. Thomas
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Von: "Gregory, Holly" <holly.gregory@sidley.com> Betreff: [Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] Public comment on draft Articles of Incorporation? Datum: 5. Juli 2016 um 19:51:06 MESZ An: "thomas@rickert.net" <thomas@rickert.net>, "mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>, "ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" <ccwg-accountability5@icann.org>
Dear Co-Chairs and CCWG Accountability Members and Participants, Please let us know if we should be paying attention to issues regarding the Articles of Incorporation or if you prefer that ICANN Legal provide advice on these matters. As you know, we did not participate in Helsinki and in the interests of economy no longer read on a daily basis the email exchanges. Therefore this is meant as a friendly reminder that unless a matter is specifically addressed to us we are not following these developments. Kind regards, Holly HOLLY J. GREGORY Partner and Co-Chair Corporate Governance & Executive Compensation Practice Group Sidley Austin LLP 787 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10019 +1 212 839 5853 holly.gregory@sidley.com <mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com> www.sidley.com <http://www.sidley.com/> <http://www.sidley.com/> SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP
From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Schaefer, Brett Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 5:42 PM To: Thomas Rickert Cc: Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Public comment on draft Articles of Incorporation?
Thomas,
As stated in our public comment, I am concerned about the ambiguity of the AoI text on the global public interest. As I sent to the list last Sunday, I do not believe that Samantha's new text on the global public interest addresses the concerns raised in the June 20 call. Specifically, that the proposed phrasing leaves open the possibility that the GPI could at times be determined by non-bottom up multi-stakeholder process.
I suggest that the CCWG request the following text instead of Samantha's text circulated last Sunday: as such the global public interest shall be determined by the multistakeholder community through an inclusive bottom-up multistakeholder community process consistent with the mission set forth in the bylaws of the Corporation (“Bylaws”). <>
I believe that this text would remove any ambiguity about how GPI is determined.
I understand that this would be more controversial and not necessarily legally necessary, but I think that the AoI would be clearer if "organized" were replaced by "incorporated" or "organized and incorporated" and the location of the headquarters was inserted.
Best,
Brett
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On Jul 4, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net <mailto:thomas@rickert.net>> wrote:
Dear all, it was good to see many of you in Helsinki and I hope that you had safe trips back home.
We discussed the draft Articles of Incorporation during our last telco and agreed that Sam would send additional information to the list and all of us would then consider further whether or not all concerns have been removed.
Thanks to Sam for providing more information in the meantime.
With the end of the public comment period approaching rapidly, I would now like those of you who think we should raise concerns with a CCWG comment to write to the list within the next 24 hours (until 20.00 UTC on July 5th). Should any concerns raised get ssufficient traction to be considered a CCWG position, we will prepare a comment on that basis.
In any case, we will issue a brief CCWG comment supporting the draft either unconditionally or with any additional CCWG comments there might be based on the approach described above.
Thanks and kind regards, Thomas
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I do not thinl we should take advice frm ICANN Legal, but from independent Counsel. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5c
On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:53, Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net> wrote:
All, please see below an e-mail from Holly, which did not make it to the CCWG list.
Thomas
Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
Von: "Gregory, Holly" <holly.gregory@sidley.com> [...] Please let us know if we should be paying attention to issues regarding the Articles of Incorporation or if you prefer that ICANN Legal provide advice on these matters. [...]
Dear All. Brett, Dr. Eberhart+1 Kavouss Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Jul 2016, at 11:30, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:
I do not thinl we should take advice frm ICANN Legal, but from independent Counsel.
el
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On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:53, Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net> wrote:
All, please see below an e-mail from Holly, which did not make it to the CCWG list.
Thomas
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Von: "Gregory, Holly" <holly.gregory@sidley.com> [...] Please let us know if we should be paying attention to issues regarding the Articles of Incorporation or if you prefer that ICANN Legal provide advice on these matters. [...]
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Hello Thomas Was there a response to Brett's concern re: GPI outlined below? I don't recall seeing one. Thanks Matthew On 06/07/2016 09:53, Thomas Rickert wrote:
All, please see below an e-mail from Holly, which did not make it to the CCWG list.
Thomas
Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
*Von: *"Gregory, Holly" <holly.gregory@sidley.com <mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com>> *Betreff: **[Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] Public comment on draft Articles of Incorporation?* *Datum: *5. Juli 2016 um 19:51:06 MESZ *An: *"thomas@rickert.net <mailto:thomas@rickert.net>" <thomas@rickert.net <mailto:thomas@rickert.net>>, "mathieu.weill@afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>" <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>>, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>>, "ccwg-accountability5@icann.org <mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org>" <ccwg-accountability5@icann.org <mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org>>
Dear Co-Chairs and CCWG Accountability Members and Participants, Please let us know ifwe should be paying attention to issues regarding the Articles of Incorporation or if you prefer that ICANN Legal provide advice on these matters. As you know, we did not participate in Helsinki and in the interests of economy no longer read on a daily basis the email exchanges. Therefore this is meant as a friendly reminder that unless a matter is specifically addressed to us we are not following these developments. Kind regards, Holly *HOLLY**J. GREGORY* Partner and Co-Chair Corporate Governance & Executive Compensation Practice Group *Sidley Austin LLP* 787 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10019 +1 212 839 5853 holly.gregory@sidley.com <mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com> www.sidley.com <http://www.sidley.com/> http://www.sidley.com/files/upload/signatures/SA-autosig.png <http://www.sidley.com/>*SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP* *From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org]*On Behalf Of*Schaefer, Brett *Sent:*Monday, July 04, 2016 5:42 PM *To:*Thomas Rickert *Cc:*Accountability Cross Community *Subject:*Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Public comment on draft Articles of Incorporation? Thomas, As stated in our public comment, I am concerned about the ambiguity of the AoI text on the global public interest. As I sent to the list last Sunday, I do not believe that Samantha's new text on the global public interest addresses the concerns raised in the June 20 call. Specifically, that the proposed phrasing leaves open the possibility that the GPI could at times be determined by non-bottom up multi-stakeholder process. I suggest that the CCWG request the following text instead of Samantha's text circulated last Sunday: _as such the global public interest shall be determined by the multistakeholder community through an inclusive bottom-up multistakeholder community process consistent with the mission set forth in the bylaws of the Corporation (“*Bylaws*”)._
I believe that this text would remove any ambiguity about how GPI is determined.
I understand that this would be more controversial and not necessarily legally necessary, but I think that the AoI would be clearer if "organized" were replaced by "incorporated" or "organized and incorporated" and the location of the headquarters was inserted.
Best,
Brett
__________
On Jul 4, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net <mailto:thomas@rickert.net>> wrote:
Dear all, it was good to see many of you in Helsinki and I hope that you had safe trips back home. We discussed the draft Articles of Incorporation during our last telco and agreed that Sam would send additional information to the list and all of us would then consider further whether or not all concerns have been removed. Thanks to Sam for providing more information in the meantime. With the end of the public comment period approaching rapidly, I would now like those of you who think we should raise concerns with a CCWG comment to write to the list within the next 24 hours (until 20.00 UTC on July 5th). Should any concerns raised get ssufficient traction to be considered a CCWG position, we will prepare a comment on that basis. In any case, we will issue a brief CCWG comment supporting the draft either unconditionally or with any additional CCWG comments there might be based on the approach described above.
Thanks and kind regards,
Thomas
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Hi Matthew, a comment is just in being prepared and that will pick up Brett’s point. Should be sent to the list in the next few hours. Thanks for your question. Best, Thomas
Am 06.07.2016 um 13:49 schrieb matthew shears <mshears@cdt.org>:
Hello Thomas
Was there a response to Brett's concern re: GPI outlined below? I don't recall seeing one. Thanks
Matthew
On 06/07/2016 09:53, Thomas Rickert wrote:
All, please see below an e-mail from Holly, which did not make it to the CCWG list.
Thomas
Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
Von: "Gregory, Holly" < <mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com>holly.gregory@sidley.com <mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com>> Betreff: [Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] Public comment on draft Articles of Incorporation? Datum: 5. Juli 2016 um 19:51:06 MESZ An: "thomas@rickert.net <mailto:thomas@rickert.net>" <thomas@rickert.net <mailto:thomas@rickert.net>>, "mathieu.weill@afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>" <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>>, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>>, "ccwg-accountability5@icann.org <mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org>" <ccwg-accountability5@icann.org <mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org>>
Dear Co-Chairs and CCWG Accountability Members and Participants, Please let us know if we should be paying attention to issues regarding the Articles of Incorporation or if you prefer that ICANN Legal provide advice on these matters. As you know, we did not participate in Helsinki and in the interests of economy no longer read on a daily basis the email exchanges. Therefore this is meant as a friendly reminder that unless a matter is specifically addressed to us we are not following these developments. Kind regards, Holly HOLLY J. GREGORY Partner and Co-Chair Corporate Governance & Executive Compensation Practice Group Sidley Austin LLP 787 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10019 +1 212 839 5853 holly.gregory@sidley.com <mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com> www.sidley.com <http://www.sidley.com/> <http://www.sidley.com/> SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP
From: <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [ <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Schaefer, Brett Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 5:42 PM To: Thomas Rickert Cc: Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Public comment on draft Articles of Incorporation?
Thomas,
As stated in our public comment, I am concerned about the ambiguity of the AoI text on the global public interest. As I sent to the list last Sunday, I do not believe that Samantha's new text on the global public interest addresses the concerns raised in the June 20 call. Specifically, that the proposed phrasing leaves open the possibility that the GPI could at times be determined by non-bottom up multi-stakeholder process.
I suggest that the CCWG request the following text instead of Samantha's text circulated last Sunday: as such the global public interest shall be determined by the multistakeholder community through an inclusive bottom-up multistakeholder community process consistent with the mission set forth in the bylaws of the Corporation (“Bylaws”). <>
I believe that this text would remove any ambiguity about how GPI is determined.
I understand that this would be more controversial and not necessarily legally necessary, but I think that the AoI would be clearer if "organized" were replaced by "incorporated" or "organized and incorporated" and the location of the headquarters was inserted.
Best,
Brett
__________
On Jul 4, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Thomas Rickert < <mailto:thomas@rickert.net>thomas@rickert.net <mailto:thomas@rickert.net>> wrote:
Dear all, it was good to see many of you in Helsinki and I hope that you had safe trips back home.
We discussed the draft Articles of Incorporation during our last telco and agreed that Sam would send additional information to the list and all of us would then consider further whether or not all concerns have been removed.
Thanks to Sam for providing more information in the meantime.
With the end of the public comment period approaching rapidly, I would now like those of you who think we should raise concerns with a CCWG comment to write to the list within the next 24 hours (until 20.00 UTC on July 5th). Should any concerns raised get ssufficient traction to be considered a CCWG position, we will prepare a comment on that basis.
In any case, we will issue a brief CCWG comment supporting the draft either unconditionally or with any additional CCWG comments there might be based on the approach described above.
Thanks and kind regards, Thomas
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