IGF informal gatherings
Dear all, Once clarified that this informal gatherings will have no more effect than that of some of us having beers and commenting on CCWG issues, Pedro has kindly confirmed that we will have the Press Room available for us to meet there as follows: · November 9th: 9am to 12pm (instead of November 10th) · November 13th: 9am to 12pm This may be challenging to achieve but I think that as informal as it is, if some of us can jump in and out to meet others in these time slots, would be great. As these are not CCWG meetings, there is no agenda and we’ll see how it goes when we’re there. Also, if we manage to setup some kind of remote participation, I will announce it in the list. Safe travels to those who are attending the IGF. Best regards, León
Seems too early for beer. I suggest coffee instead. Greg On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 4:49 PM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote:
Dear all,
Once clarified that this informal gatherings will have no more effect than that of some of us having beers and commenting on CCWG issues, Pedro has kindly confirmed that we will have the Press Room available for us to meet there as follows:
· November 9th: 9am to 12pm (instead of November 10th)
· November 13th: 9am to 12pm
This may be challenging to achieve but I think that as informal as it is, if some of us can jump in and out to meet others in these time slots, would be great.
As these are not CCWG meetings, there is no agenda and we’ll see how it goes when we’re there.
Also, if we manage to setup some kind of remote participation, I will announce it in the list.
Safe travels to those who are attending the IGF.
Best regards,
León
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Do NOT do this! el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On 6 Nov 2015, at 23:49, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote:
Dear all,
Once clarified that this informal gatherings will have no more effect than that of some of us having beers and commenting on CCWG issues, Pedro has kindly confirmed that we will have the Press Room available for us to meet there as follows:
· November 9th: 9am to 12pm (instead of November 10th)
· November 13th: 9am to 12pm
This may be challenging to achieve but I think that as informal as it is, if some of us can jump in and out to meet others in these time slots, would be great.
As these are not CCWG meetings, there is no agenda and we’ll see how it goes when we’re there.
Also, if we manage to setup some kind of remote participation, I will announce it in the list.
Safe travels to those who are attending the IGF.
Best regards,
León
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May I ask why? Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.
On Nov 7, 2015, at 00:18, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Do NOT do this!
el
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On 6 Nov 2015, at 23:49, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote:
Dear all,
Once clarified that this informal gatherings will have no more effect than that of some of us having beers and commenting on CCWG issues, Pedro has kindly confirmed that we will have the Press Room available for us to meet there as follows:
· November 9th: 9am to 12pm (instead of November 10th)
· November 13th: 9am to 12pm
This may be challenging to achieve but I think that as informal as it is, if some of us can jump in and out to meet others in these time slots, would be great.
As these are not CCWG meetings, there is no agenda and we’ll see how it goes when we’re there.
Also, if we manage to setup some kind of remote participation, I will announce it in the list.
Safe travels to those who are attending the IGF.
Best regards,
León
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Read the archive. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On 7 Nov 2015, at 16:31, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
May I ask why?
Best regards,
A
-- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.
On Nov 7, 2015, at 00:18, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Do NOT do this!
el
-- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On 6 Nov 2015, at 23:49, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote:
Dear all,
Once clarified that this informal gatherings will have no more effect than that of some of us having beers and commenting on CCWG issues, Pedro has kindly confirmed that we will have the Press Room available for us to meet there as follows:
· November 9th: 9am to 12pm (instead of November 10th)
· November 13th: 9am to 12pm
This may be challenging to achieve but I think that as informal as it is, if some of us can jump in and out to meet others in these time slots, would be great.
As these are not CCWG meetings, there is no agenda and we’ll see how it goes when we’re there.
Also, if we manage to setup some kind of remote participation, I will announce it in the list.
Safe travels to those who are attending the IGF.
Best regards,
León
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Dear all, Just to be more precise, the informal gathering will take place in the "Press Meeting Room", which is just in the opposite side of the "Main session" room. Please bear in mind that local time is UTC-3. Looking forward to seeing many of you tomorrow. Regards, Pedro ________________________________________ De: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] em nome de León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [leonfelipe@sanchez.mx] Enviado: sexta-feira, 6 de novembro de 2015 19:49 Para: CCWG-Accountability Community Cc: ACCT-Staff Assunto: [CCWG-ACCT] IGF informal gatherings Dear all, Once clarified that this informal gatherings will have no more effect than that of some of us having beers and commenting on CCWG issues, Pedro has kindly confirmed that we will have the Press Room available for us to meet there as follows: · November 9th: 9am to 12pm (instead of November 10th) · November 13th: 9am to 12pm This may be challenging to achieve but I think that as informal as it is, if some of us can jump in and out to meet others in these time slots, would be great. As these are not CCWG meetings, there is no agenda and we’ll see how it goes when we’re there. Also, if we manage to setup some kind of remote participation, I will announce it in the list. Safe travels to those who are attending the IGF. Best regards, León
Any luck with remote participation details for this "informal" meeting? Cheers! On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva < pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br> wrote:
Dear all,
Just to be more precise, the informal gathering will take place in the "Press Meeting Room", which is just in the opposite side of the "Main session" room.
Please bear in mind that local time is UTC-3.
Looking forward to seeing many of you tomorrow.
Regards,
Pedro ________________________________________ De: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [ accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] em nome de León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [leonfelipe@sanchez.mx] Enviado: sexta-feira, 6 de novembro de 2015 19:49 Para: CCWG-Accountability Community Cc: ACCT-Staff Assunto: [CCWG-ACCT] IGF informal gatherings
Dear all,
Once clarified that this informal gatherings will have no more effect than that of some of us having beers and commenting on CCWG issues, Pedro has kindly confirmed that we will have the Press Room available for us to meet there as follows:
· November 9th: 9am to 12pm (instead of November 10th)
· November 13th: 9am to 12pm
This may be challenging to achieve but I think that as informal as it is, if some of us can jump in and out to meet others in these time slots, would be great.
As these are not CCWG meetings, there is no agenda and we’ll see how it goes when we’re there.
Also, if we manage to setup some kind of remote participation, I will announce it in the list.
Safe travels to those who are attending the IGF.
Best regards,
León
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Seun Two, three-hour sessions can in no way be described as 'informal', whether there is beer there or not. Better to describe it as a meeting of a caucused subset of the WG. On 09/11/15 15:01, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Any luck with remote participation details for this "informal" meeting?
Cheers!
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva <pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br <mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br>> wrote:
Dear all,
Just to be more precise, the informal gathering will take place in the "Press Meeting Room", which is just in the opposite side of the "Main session" room.
Please bear in mind that local time is UTC-3.
Looking forward to seeing many of you tomorrow.
Regards,
Pedro ________________________________________ De: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>] em nome de León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>] Enviado: sexta-feira, 6 de novembro de 2015 19:49 Para: CCWG-Accountability Community Cc: ACCT-Staff Assunto: [CCWG-ACCT] IGF informal gatherings
Dear all,
Once clarified that this informal gatherings will have no more effect than that of some of us having beers and commenting on CCWG issues, Pedro has kindly confirmed that we will have the Press Room available for us to meet there as follows:
· November 9th: 9am to 12pm (instead of November 10th)
· November 13th: 9am to 12pm
This may be challenging to achieve but I think that as informal as it is, if some of us can jump in and out to meet others in these time slots, would be great.
As these are not CCWG meetings, there is no agenda and we’ll see how it goes when we’re there.
Also, if we manage to setup some kind of remote participation, I will announce it in the list.
Safe travels to those who are attending the IGF.
Best regards,
León
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The real issue is this. If the meeting is as was originally described, two sessions at which substantive work was being done, then it is exclusionary, and remote participation should have been offered. If it's just a bunch of WG denizens hanging out, then why schedule two three hour sessions. The optics don't look good. On 09/11/15 16:11, Nigel Roberts wrote:
Seun
Two, three-hour sessions can in no way be described as 'informal', whether there is beer there or not.
Better to describe it as a meeting of a caucused subset of the WG.
On 09/11/15 15:01, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Any luck with remote participation details for this "informal" meeting?
Cheers!
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva <pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br <mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br>> wrote:
Dear all,
Just to be more precise, the informal gathering will take place in the "Press Meeting Room", which is just in the opposite side of the "Main session" room.
Please bear in mind that local time is UTC-3.
Looking forward to seeing many of you tomorrow.
Regards,
Pedro ________________________________________ De: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>] em nome de León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>] Enviado: sexta-feira, 6 de novembro de 2015 19:49 Para: CCWG-Accountability Community Cc: ACCT-Staff Assunto: [CCWG-ACCT] IGF informal gatherings
Dear all,
Once clarified that this informal gatherings will have no more effect than that of some of us having beers and commenting on CCWG issues, Pedro has kindly confirmed that we will have the Press Room available for us to meet there as follows:
· November 9th: 9am to 12pm (instead of November 10th)
· November 13th: 9am to 12pm
This may be challenging to achieve but I think that as informal as it is, if some of us can jump in and out to meet others in these time slots, would be great.
As these are not CCWG meetings, there is no agenda and we’ll see how it goes when we’re there.
Also, if we manage to setup some kind of remote participation, I will announce it in the list.
Safe travels to those who are attending the IGF.
Best regards,
León
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It's not the remote participation (only), it is the shot notice and exclusion of the (appointed) members, participants and observers, who can't make it. It's intentional and can not be allowed. el On 2015-11-09 18:13 , Nigel Roberts wrote:
The real issue is this.
If the meeting is as was originally described, two sessions at which substantive work was being done, then it is exclusionary, and remote participation should have been offered.
If it's just a bunch of WG denizens hanging out, then why schedule two three hour sessions.
The optics don't look good.
On 09/11/15 16:11, Nigel Roberts wrote:
Seun
Two, three-hour sessions can in no way be described as 'informal', whether there is beer there or not.
Better to describe it as a meeting of a caucused subset of the WG.
On 09/11/15 15:01, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Any luck with remote participation details for this "informal" meeting?
Cheers!
[...]
Dear all, the three hour slot allocated is the time for which the room is available. That doesn’t mean we are actually meeting for three hours. If you had been present today you would have seen that there were only 9 or 10 of us at most. We didn’t discuss any substance but rather came to comment, for example, on Malcom’s concerns on mission statement, also Pedro anticipated he would be sending a mail to the list in regard to Stress Test 18 and that was about it. The gathering lasted no more that 30 minutes as everyone had previous commitments. Of course no remote participation was available as we are even trying to find out how those attending the IGF will even be able to join our call tomorrow. So please, at least give those here at the IGF the benefit of doubt that we are not conspiring against anyone at any level or any topic. We will try to meet again on Friday. No conspiracies happening there either. Saludos, León Best regards, León
El 09/11/2015, a las 1:21 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse <epilisse@gmail.com> escribió:
It's not the remote participation (only), it is the shot notice and exclusion of the (appointed) members, participants and observers, who can't make it.
It's intentional and can not be allowed.
el
On 2015-11-09 18:13 , Nigel Roberts wrote:
The real issue is this.
If the meeting is as was originally described, two sessions at which substantive work was being done, then it is exclusionary, and remote participation should have been offered.
If it's just a bunch of WG denizens hanging out, then why schedule two three hour sessions.
The optics don't look good.
On 09/11/15 16:11, Nigel Roberts wrote:
Seun
Two, three-hour sessions can in no way be described as 'informal', whether there is beer there or not.
Better to describe it as a meeting of a caucused subset of the WG.
On 09/11/15 15:01, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Any luck with remote participation details for this "informal" meeting?
Cheers!
[...]
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On 9 Nov 2015, at 22:05, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote:
Dear all,
the three hour slot allocated is the time for which the room is available. That doesn’t mean we are actually meeting for three hours. If you had been present today you would have seen that there were only 9 or 10 of us at most. We didn’t discuss any substance but rather came to comment, for example, on Malcom’s concerns on mission statement, also Pedro anticipated he would be sending a mail to the list in regard to Stress Test 18 and that was about it.
The gathering lasted no more that 30 minutes as everyone had previous commitments. Of course no remote participation was available as we are even trying to find out how those attending the IGF will even be able to join our call tomorrow.
So please, at least give those here at the IGF the benefit of doubt that we are not conspiring against anyone at any level or any topic.
We will try to meet again on Friday. No conspiracies happening there either.
Saludos,
León
Best regards,
León
El 09/11/2015, a las 1:21 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse <epilisse@gmail.com> escribió:
It's not the remote participation (only), it is the shot notice and exclusion of the (appointed) members, participants and observers, who can't make it.
It's intentional and can not be allowed.
el
On 2015-11-09 18:13 , Nigel Roberts wrote: The real issue is this.
If the meeting is as was originally described, two sessions at which substantive work was being done, then it is exclusionary, and remote participation should have been offered.
If it's just a bunch of WG denizens hanging out, then why schedule two three hour sessions.
The optics don't look good.
On 09/11/15 16:11, Nigel Roberts wrote: Seun
Two, three-hour sessions can in no way be described as 'informal', whether there is beer there or not.
Better to describe it as a meeting of a caucused subset of the WG.
On 09/11/15 15:01, Seun Ojedeji wrote: Any luck with remote participation details for this "informal" meeting?
Cheers!
[...]
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Hi, I personally was a little concerned that 2 sessions of 3 hours each could be an overkill to be informational but again I trust the Co-Chairs will be on top of things to remain in scope. Overall I wish we were already in the PC period. Would have been perfect! Cheers! Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 9 Nov 2015 17:11, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
Seun
Two, three-hour sessions can in no way be described as 'informal', whether there is beer there or not.
Better to describe it as a meeting of a caucused subset of the WG.
On 09/11/15 15:01, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Any luck with remote participation details for this "informal" meeting?
Cheers!
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva <pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br <mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br>> wrote:
Dear all,
Just to be more precise, the informal gathering will take place in the "Press Meeting Room", which is just in the opposite side of the "Main session" room.
Please bear in mind that local time is UTC-3.
Looking forward to seeing many of you tomorrow.
Regards,
Pedro ________________________________________ De: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>] em nome de León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>] Enviado: sexta-feira, 6 de novembro de 2015 19:49 Para: CCWG-Accountability Community Cc: ACCT-Staff Assunto: [CCWG-ACCT] IGF informal gatherings
Dear all,
Once clarified that this informal gatherings will have no more effect than that of some of us having beers and commenting on CCWG issues, Pedro has kindly confirmed that we will have the Press Room available for us to meet there as follows:
· November 9th: 9am to 12pm (instead of November 10th)
· November 13th: 9am to 12pm
This may be challenging to achieve but I think that as informal as it is, if some of us can jump in and out to meet others in these time slots, would be great.
As these are not CCWG meetings, there is no agenda and we’ll see how it goes when we’re there.
Also, if we manage to setup some kind of remote participation, I will announce it in the list.
Safe travels to those who are attending the IGF.
Best regards,
León
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Dear all, For those who are in Joao Pessoa for the IGF, the Press Meeting Room will also be available tomorrow, 10/11 from 9am to 11am local time so that we can have an isolated space to connect to the CCWG call. Regards, Pedro Enviado do meu iPhone
Em 06/11/2015, às 18:51, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> escreveu:
Dear all,
Once clarified that this informal gatherings will have no more effect than that of some of us having beers and commenting on CCWG issues, Pedro has kindly confirmed that we will have the Press Room available for us to meet there as follows:
· November 9th: 9am to 12pm (instead of November 10th)
· November 13th: 9am to 12pm
This may be challenging to achieve but I think that as informal as it is, if some of us can jump in and out to meet others in these time slots, would be great.
As these are not CCWG meetings, there is no agenda and we’ll see how it goes when we’re there.
Also, if we manage to setup some kind of remote participation, I will announce it in the list.
Safe travels to those who are attending the IGF.
Best regards,
León
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Andrew Sullivan -
Dr Eberhard W Lisse -
Dr Eberhard W Lisse -
Greg Shatan -
León Felipe Sánchez Ambía -
Nigel Roberts -
Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva -
Seun Ojedeji