Dear all, Please find below a proposed agenda in anticipation of your session scheduled for tomorrow - 17:00-20:00 UTC - 16:00-19:00 UTC (time converter<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability...>) 1. Welcome, Roll call, SoI (17:00-17:05) 2. Further assessment of merits of the models (17:05-18:05) 3. Taking stock and next steps (18:05-18:50) 4. Removal of individual Board director (18:50-19:05) 5. AoC into the Bylaws (if time permits) 6. Work plan (19:05-19:50) 7. A.O.B (19:50-20:00) Your session will be held in Auditorium. Link to the Adobe Connect room is as follows: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/dub54-auditorium. Kindly refer to the calendar invite for dial-in details. Your reading list can be found on the wiki at - https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Reading+List+-+Dublin Thanks, Best regards Alice
I object and protest against springing meetings on the members without notice, that clash with others and have the effect of reducing participation. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On 20 Oct 2015, at 23:16, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
Please find below a proposed agenda in anticipation of your session scheduled for tomorrow – 17:00-20:00 UTC – 16:00-19:00 UTC (time converter)
1. Welcome, Roll call, SoI (17:00-17:05) 2. Further assessment of merits of the models (17:05-18:05) 3. Taking stock and next steps (18:05-18:50) 4. Removal of individual Board director (18:50-19:05) 5. AoC into the Bylaws (if time permits) 6. Work plan (19:05-19:50) 7. A.O.B (19:50-20:00)
Your session will be held in Auditorium. Link to the Adobe Connect room is as follows: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/dub54-auditorium. Kindly refer to the calendar invite for dial-in details.
Your reading list can be found on the wiki at - https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Reading+List+-+Dublin
Thanks,
Best regards
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I agree with Dr Lisse's objection to this meeting. I cordially and heartily disapprove of such failures to give notice (whether well-intentioned or otherwise, which is doubtful) which inevitably appear to lead to perceptions they are designed to reduce or eliminate the attendance of those who would be opposed to such deals as appears to be common knowledge may or may not have already been reached behind closed doors. It really IS Back to the Future Day today. And today is the day, I fear that we are going to repeat the events of 1998 in how the IFWP ended in the unilateral creation of ICANN, just as I predicted some months back. What I could not have predicted is how ironic that this is done today. http://www.martymcflycountdown.com/ On 21/10/15 07:04, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
I object and protest against springing meetings on the members without notice, that clash with others and have the effect of reducing participation.
el
The meeting seem to be consistent with what was earlier shared as the outcome of the meeting with SO/AC leadership prior to Dublin. Hence since the objection word seem to be a hobby now, I like to "object" to the objection made. Regards Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 21 Oct 2015 11:37, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
I agree with Dr Lisse's objection to this meeting.
I cordially and heartily disapprove of such failures to give notice (whether well-intentioned or otherwise, which is doubtful) which inevitably appear to lead to perceptions they are designed to reduce or eliminate the attendance of those who would be opposed to such deals as appears to be common knowledge may or may not have already been reached behind closed doors.
It really IS Back to the Future Day today. And today is the day, I fear that we are going to repeat the events of 1998 in how the IFWP ended in the unilateral creation of ICANN, just as I predicted some months back.
What I could not have predicted is how ironic that this is done today.
http://www.martymcflycountdown.com/
On 21/10/15 07:04, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
I object and protest against springing meetings on the members without notice, that clash with others and have the effect of reducing participation.
el
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Dear Co-Chairs, could you please explain to our young colleague again that only appointed members get to object. greetings, el On 2015-10-21 12:08 , Seun Ojedeji wrote:
The meeting seem to be consistent with what was earlier shared as the outcome of the meeting with SO/AC leadership prior to Dublin.
Hence since the objection word seem to be a hobby now, I like to "object" to the objection made.
Regards
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 21 Oct 2015 11:37, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net <mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote:
I agree with Dr Lisse's objection to this meeting.
I cordially and heartily disapprove of such failures to give notice (whether well-intentioned or otherwise, which is doubtful) which inevitably appear to lead to perceptions they are designed to reduce or eliminate the attendance of those who would be opposed to such deals as appears to be common knowledge may or may not have already been reached behind closed doors.
It really IS Back to the Future Day today. And today is the day, I fear that we are going to repeat the events of 1998 in how the IFWP ended in the unilateral creation of ICANN, just as I predicted some months back.
What I could not have predicted is how ironic that this is done today.
http://www.martymcflycountdown.com/
On 21/10/15 07:04, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
I object and protest against springing meetings on the members without notice, that clash with others and have the effect of reducing participation.
el [...]
Damm, so that means I can't object to his objection to your objection to his objection? :) On Oct 21, 2015 8:42 AM, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Dear Co-Chairs,
could you please explain to our young colleague again that only appointed members get to object.
greetings, el
On 2015-10-21 12:08 , Seun Ojedeji wrote:
The meeting seem to be consistent with what was earlier shared as the outcome of the meeting with SO/AC leadership prior to Dublin.
Hence since the objection word seem to be a hobby now, I like to "object" to the objection made.
Regards
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 21 Oct 2015 11:37, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net <mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote:
I agree with Dr Lisse's objection to this meeting.
I cordially and heartily disapprove of such failures to give notice (whether well-intentioned or otherwise, which is doubtful) which inevitably appear to lead to perceptions they are designed to reduce or eliminate the attendance of those who would be opposed to such deals as appears to be common knowledge may or may not have already been reached behind closed doors.
It really IS Back to the Future Day today. And today is the day, I fear that we are going to repeat the events of 1998 in how the IFWP ended in the unilateral creation of ICANN, just as I predicted some months back.
What I could not have predicted is how ironic that this is done today.
http://www.martymcflycountdown.com/
On 21/10/15 07:04, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
I object and protest against springing meetings on the members without notice, that clash with others and have the effect of reducing participation.
el [...]
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Only if you are a member. el On 2015-10-21 14:03 , Rudolph Daniel wrote:
Damm, so that means I can't object to his objection to your objection to his objection? :)
On Oct 21, 2015 8:42 AM, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <el@lisse.na <mailto:el@lisse.na>> wrote:
Dear Co-Chairs,
could you please explain to our young colleague again that only appointed members get to object.
greetings, el [...]
This is for the meeting today, October 21 at 17:00. The calendar item was sent out on October 16, and I believe it was first announced somewhat earlier that week. I look forward to seeing you there. Greg On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
The meeting seem to be consistent with what was earlier shared as the outcome of the meeting with SO/AC leadership prior to Dublin.
Hence since the objection word seem to be a hobby now, I like to "object" to the objection made.
Regards
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 21 Oct 2015 11:37, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
I agree with Dr Lisse's objection to this meeting.
I cordially and heartily disapprove of such failures to give notice (whether well-intentioned or otherwise, which is doubtful) which inevitably appear to lead to perceptions they are designed to reduce or eliminate the attendance of those who would be opposed to such deals as appears to be common knowledge may or may not have already been reached behind closed doors.
It really IS Back to the Future Day today. And today is the day, I fear that we are going to repeat the events of 1998 in how the IFWP ended in the unilateral creation of ICANN, just as I predicted some months back.
What I could not have predicted is how ironic that this is done today.
http://www.martymcflycountdown.com/
On 21/10/15 07:04, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
I object and protest against springing meetings on the members without notice, that clash with others and have the effect of reducing participation.
el
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Yes thats correct Greg and perhaps thats what the "older colleague" who is rightly a member by title failed to figure out. I plan to be there as well, although may be a little late due to other commitments. Regards On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
This is for the meeting today, October 21 at 17:00. The calendar item was sent out on October 16, and I believe it was first announced somewhat earlier that week.
I look forward to seeing you there.
Greg
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
The meeting seem to be consistent with what was earlier shared as the outcome of the meeting with SO/AC leadership prior to Dublin.
Hence since the objection word seem to be a hobby now, I like to "object" to the objection made.
Regards
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 21 Oct 2015 11:37, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
I agree with Dr Lisse's objection to this meeting.
I cordially and heartily disapprove of such failures to give notice (whether well-intentioned or otherwise, which is doubtful) which inevitably appear to lead to perceptions they are designed to reduce or eliminate the attendance of those who would be opposed to such deals as appears to be common knowledge may or may not have already been reached behind closed doors.
It really IS Back to the Future Day today. And today is the day, I fear that we are going to repeat the events of 1998 in how the IFWP ended in the unilateral creation of ICANN, just as I predicted some months back.
What I could not have predicted is how ironic that this is done today.
http://www.martymcflycountdown.com/
On 21/10/15 07:04, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
I object and protest against springing meetings on the members without notice, that clash with others and have the effect of reducing participation.
el
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-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng> Mobile: +2348035233535**alt email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng <seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng>* Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!
Dear Co-Chairs, as opposed to our young participant some of us have meaningful engagements. Many of which long scheduled in advanced. Springing an agenda, AFTER THE FACT (2015-10-16, while we were already in Dublin) on the members, begs the question why, which I, so far, have not asked. greetings, el On 2015-10-21 13:51 , Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Yes thats correct Greg and perhaps thats what the "older colleague" who is rightly a member by title failed to figure out. I plan to be there as well, although may be a little late due to other commitments.
Regards
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is for the meeting today, October 21 at 17:00. The calendar item was sent out on October 16, and I believe it was first announced somewhat earlier that week.
I look forward to seeing you there.
Greg
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>> wrote:
The meeting seem to be consistent with what was earlier shared as the outcome of the meeting with SO/AC leadership prior to Dublin.
Hence since the objection word seem to be a hobby now, I like to "object" to the objection made.
Regards
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 21 Oct 2015 11:37, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net <mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote:
I agree with Dr Lisse's objection to this meeting.
I cordially and heartily disapprove of such failures to give notice (whether well-intentioned or otherwise, which is doubtful) which inevitably appear to lead to perceptions they are designed to reduce or eliminate the attendance of those who would be opposed to such deals as appears to be common knowledge may or may not have already been reached behind closed doors.
It really IS Back to the Future Day today. And today is the day, I fear that we are going to repeat the events of 1998 in how the IFWP ended in the unilateral creation of ICANN, just as I predicted some months back.
What I could not have predicted is how ironic that this is done today.
http://www.martymcflycountdown.com/
On 21/10/15 07:04, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
I object and protest against springing meetings on the members without notice, that clash with others and have the effect of reducing participation.
el
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Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!
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Dear Co-Chairs, please tell our young friend here that his absence, while so far not noticed, was expected. He is ALAC after all, and subject to having changing positions. greetings, el On 2015-10-21 13:51 , Seun Ojedeji wrote: [...]
I plan to be there as well, although may be a little late due to other commitments.
Regards [...]
Thank you for looking out for me, It's much appreciated. Regards Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 21 Oct 2015 19:40, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Dear Co-Chairs,
please tell our young friend here that his absence, while so far not noticed, was expected.
He is ALAC after all, and subject to having changing positions.
greetings, el
On 2015-10-21 13:51 , Seun Ojedeji wrote: [...]
I plan to be there as well, although may be a little late due to other commitments.
Regards [...]
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I would think that Alice was referring to our session on Thursday. That was planned quite some time ago. Her email was sent just before midnight, so maybe it was slightly earlier than she thought (or feltŠ) Cheers, Roelof On 21-10-15 11:36, "accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Nigel Roberts" <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
I agree with Dr Lisse's objection to this meeting.
I cordially and heartily disapprove of such failures to give notice (whether well-intentioned or otherwise, which is doubtful) which inevitably appear to lead to perceptions they are designed to reduce or eliminate the attendance of those who would be opposed to such deals as appears to be common knowledge may or may not have already been reached behind closed doors.
It really IS Back to the Future Day today. And today is the day, I fear that we are going to repeat the events of 1998 in how the IFWP ended in the unilateral creation of ICANN, just as I predicted some months back.
What I could not have predicted is how ironic that this is done today.
http://www.martymcflycountdown.com/
On 21/10/15 07:04, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
I object and protest against springing meetings on the members without notice, that clash with others and have the effect of reducing participation.
el
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Dear all, Per subject line, the agenda below is intended for today - Wednesday, 21 October. Time: 17:00-20:00 UTC - 16:00-19:00 UTC (time converter <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountabili ty+Engagement+Session&iso=20151021T16&p1=1440&ah=3>) Room: Auditorium Session details: https://meetings.icann.org/en/dublin54/schedule/wed-ccwg-accountability Kind regards Alice --- 1. Welcome, Roll call, SoI (17:00-17:05) 2. Further assessment of merits of the models (17:05-18:05) 3. Taking stock and next steps (18:05-18:50) 4. Removal of individual Board director (18:50-19:05) 5. AoC into the Bylaws (if time permits) 6. Work plan (19:05-19:50) 7. A.O.B (19:50-20:00) On 10/21/15 12:09 PM, "accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Roelof Meijer" <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl> wrote:
I would think that Alice was referring to our session on Thursday. That was planned quite some time ago. Her email was sent just before midnight, so maybe it was slightly earlier than she thought (or feltŠ)
Cheers,
Roelof
On 21-10-15 11:36, "accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Nigel Roberts" <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
I agree with Dr Lisse's objection to this meeting.
I cordially and heartily disapprove of such failures to give notice (whether well-intentioned or otherwise, which is doubtful) which inevitably appear to lead to perceptions they are designed to reduce or eliminate the attendance of those who would be opposed to such deals as appears to be common knowledge may or may not have already been reached behind closed doors.
It really IS Back to the Future Day today. And today is the day, I fear that we are going to repeat the events of 1998 in how the IFWP ended in the unilateral creation of ICANN, just as I predicted some months back.
What I could not have predicted is how ironic that this is done today.
http://www.martymcflycountdown.com/
On 21/10/15 07:04, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
I object and protest against springing meetings on the members without notice, that clash with others and have the effect of reducing participation.
el
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All, My apologies for unintentionally enhancing confusion on (the planning of) this afternoon's session. Things are taking their toll, I am beginning to loose track of what day and date it is... Cheers, Roelof On 21-10-15 12:49, "accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Alice Jansen" <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of alice.jansen@icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
Per subject line, the agenda below is intended for today - Wednesday, 21 October. Time: 17:00-20:00 UTC - 16:00-19:00 UTC (time converter <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountabil i ty+Engagement+Session&iso=20151021T16&p1=1440&ah=3>) Room: Auditorium Session details: https://meetings.icann.org/en/dublin54/schedule/wed-ccwg-accountability
Kind regards Alice ---
1. Welcome, Roll call, SoI (17:00-17:05) 2. Further assessment of merits of the models (17:05-18:05) 3. Taking stock and next steps (18:05-18:50) 4. Removal of individual Board director (18:50-19:05) 5. AoC into the Bylaws (if time permits) 6. Work plan (19:05-19:50) 7. A.O.B (19:50-20:00)
On 10/21/15 12:09 PM, "accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Roelof Meijer" <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl> wrote:
I would think that Alice was referring to our session on Thursday. That was planned quite some time ago. Her email was sent just before midnight, so maybe it was slightly earlier than she thought (or feltŠ)
Cheers,
Roelof
On 21-10-15 11:36, "accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Nigel Roberts" <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
I agree with Dr Lisse's objection to this meeting.
I cordially and heartily disapprove of such failures to give notice (whether well-intentioned or otherwise, which is doubtful) which inevitably appear to lead to perceptions they are designed to reduce or eliminate the attendance of those who would be opposed to such deals as appears to be common knowledge may or may not have already been reached behind closed doors.
It really IS Back to the Future Day today. And today is the day, I fear that we are going to repeat the events of 1998 in how the IFWP ended in the unilateral creation of ICANN, just as I predicted some months back.
What I could not have predicted is how ironic that this is done today.
http://www.martymcflycountdown.com/
On 21/10/15 07:04, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
I object and protest against springing meetings on the members without notice, that clash with others and have the effect of reducing participation.
el
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Alice Jansen -
Dr Eberhard W Lisse -
Greg Shatan -
Nigel Roberts -
Roelof Meijer -
Rudolph Daniel -
Seun Ojedeji