Re: [CCWG-ACCT] ALAC Position on Membership
Point of information: I know what the member and designator models are - but what is the reference model? Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey ________________________________________ From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] on behalf of Drazek, Keith [kdrazek@verisign.com] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 8:46 AM To: James Gannon Cc: Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] ALAC Position on Membership I agree an explanation would be helpful. Particularly around the choice of timing. Keith
On Oct 18, 2015, at 1:43 PM, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
Hi All,
Given the announcement a few moments ago that the ALAC has voted to no longer support the reference model as presented in the second draft, for those of us who were not able to be in the room I think it would be great if some of our ALAC participants could give a brief overview of the reason for this change and give us some context for this vote taken by the ALAC just so we are fully informed and up to speed.
I don’t want to start a debate but merely would like to be better informed as to the reasoning and background.
-James Gannon
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The "Reference Model" is the Sole Member model included in our last report. Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 18, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com> wrote:
Point of information: I know what the member and designator models are - but what is the reference model?
Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
Virtualaw LLC
1155 F Street, NW
Suite 1050
Washington, DC 20004
202-559-8597/Direct
202-559-8750/Fax
202-255-6172/cell
"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
________________________________________ From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] on behalf of Drazek, Keith [kdrazek@verisign.com] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 8:46 AM To: James Gannon Cc: Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] ALAC Position on Membership
I agree an explanation would be helpful. Particularly around the choice of timing.
Keith
On Oct 18, 2015, at 1:43 PM, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
Hi All,
Given the announcement a few moments ago that the ALAC has voted to no longer support the reference model as presented in the second draft, for those of us who were not able to be in the room I think it would be great if some of our ALAC participants could give a brief overview of the reason for this change and give us some context for this vote taken by the ALAC just so we are fully informed and up to speed.
I don’t want to start a debate but merely would like to be better informed as to the reasoning and background.
-James Gannon
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It would also be great if there was some clarity on how ALAC proposes to deal with the enforceability problem without the legal personhood that forms the basis of the sole member model. On 18 Oct 2015 18:56, "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek@verisign.com> wrote:
The "Reference Model" is the Sole Member model included in our last report.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 18, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com> wrote:
Point of information: I know what the member and designator models are - but what is the reference model?
Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
Virtualaw LLC
1155 F Street, NW
Suite 1050
Washington, DC 20004
202-559-8597/Direct
202-559-8750/Fax
202-255-6172/cell
"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
________________________________________ From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [ accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] on behalf of Drazek, Keith [kdrazek@verisign.com] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 8:46 AM To: James Gannon Cc: Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] ALAC Position on Membership
I agree an explanation would be helpful. Particularly around the choice of timing.
Keith
On Oct 18, 2015, at 1:43 PM, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
Hi All,
Given the announcement a few moments ago that the ALAC has voted to no longer support the reference model as presented in the second draft, for those of us who were not able to be in the room I think it would be great if some of our ALAC participants could give a brief overview of the reason for this change and give us some context for this vote taken by the ALAC just so we are fully informed and up to speed.
I don’t want to start a debate but merely would like to be better informed as to the reasoning and background.
-James Gannon
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Thanks Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey ________________________________________ From: Drazek, Keith [kdrazek@verisign.com] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 9:26 AM To: Phil Corwin Cc: James Gannon; Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] ALAC Position on Membership The "Reference Model" is the Sole Member model included in our last report. Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 18, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com> wrote:
Point of information: I know what the member and designator models are - but what is the reference model?
Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
Virtualaw LLC
1155 F Street, NW
Suite 1050
Washington, DC 20004
202-559-8597/Direct
202-559-8750/Fax
202-255-6172/cell
"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
________________________________________ From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] on behalf of Drazek, Keith [kdrazek@verisign.com] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 8:46 AM To: James Gannon Cc: Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] ALAC Position on Membership
I agree an explanation would be helpful. Particularly around the choice of timing.
Keith
On Oct 18, 2015, at 1:43 PM, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
Hi All,
Given the announcement a few moments ago that the ALAC has voted to no longer support the reference model as presented in the second draft, for those of us who were not able to be in the room I think it would be great if some of our ALAC participants could give a brief overview of the reason for this change and give us some context for this vote taken by the ALAC just so we are fully informed and up to speed.
I don’t want to start a debate but merely would like to be better informed as to the reasoning and background.
-James Gannon
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Personhood is not the only enforceability issue. The Sole Designator would have personhood, but would not have the same strength of powers as the Sole Member, except with regard to the designation and removal of Board members. On Sunday, October 18, 2015, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com> wrote:
Thanks
Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
Virtualaw LLC
1155 F Street, NW
Suite 1050
Washington, DC 20004
202-559-8597/Direct
202-559-8750/Fax
202-255-6172/cell
"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
________________________________________ From: Drazek, Keith [kdrazek@verisign.com <javascript:;>] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 9:26 AM To: Phil Corwin Cc: James Gannon; Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] ALAC Position on Membership
The "Reference Model" is the Sole Member model included in our last report.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 18, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Point of information: I know what the member and designator models are - but what is the reference model?
Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
Virtualaw LLC
1155 F Street, NW
Suite 1050
Washington, DC 20004
202-559-8597/Direct
202-559-8750/Fax
202-255-6172/cell
"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
________________________________________ From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <javascript:;> [ accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <javascript:;>] on behalf of Drazek, Keith [kdrazek@verisign.com <javascript:;>] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 8:46 AM To: James Gannon Cc: Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] ALAC Position on Membership
I agree an explanation would be helpful. Particularly around the choice of timing.
Keith
On Oct 18, 2015, at 1:43 PM, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hi All,
Given the announcement a few moments ago that the ALAC has voted to no longer support the reference model as presented in the second draft, for those of us who were not able to be in the room I think it would be great if some of our ALAC participants could give a brief overview of the reason for this change and give us some context for this vote taken by the ALAC just so we are fully informed and up to speed.
I don’t want to start a debate but merely would like to be better informed as to the reasoning and background.
-James Gannon
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Drazek, Keith -
Greg Shatan -
Padmini -
Phil Corwin