Hello all, The notes & the chat for CCWG Accountability WS2 Reviewing the CEP from 23 November 2016 @ 13:00 UTC are available below. Thank you. Kindest Regards, Yvette Guigneaux Multi-Stakeholder & Strategic Initiative Assistant ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers 12025 Waterfront Drive, Playa Vista, CA 90094 yvette.guigneaux@icann.org<mailto:yvette.guigneaux@icann.org> | www.icann.org[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.icann.org&d=DQMFAw&c...> ________________________________ Notes: I. Introduction, SOI, roll call Ed Morris: No SOI updates. Review of agenda. II. Report from Hyderabad India: Meeting with Becky Burr Ed Morris: Confirmed with BB that the CEP that there remains a financial incentive. Also instead of starting from scratch we should look at mediation providers for their rules. III. Bylaws Ana Lupe:(presentation of slides) Ed Morris: Mediator vs CEP and can a mediator be present at the first meeting. Chris Disspain: It is possible where ICANN would only be a facilitator. (.wine example). Some form of termination must be present so it is not used as a delaying tactic. IV. CEP Rules Farzaneh Badii: usually in arbitration there is a requirement that parties negotiate prior to starting arbitration. So, do we want a mediation process, or negotiation or conciliation. We need to know what is type of conflicts we are looking to resolve. Ed Morris: SE mentioned the value of old CEP was the informal nature. Under the new Bylaws we seem to possibly moving towards mediation. Farzaneh Badii: We have to understand if we want a third party present officially. Also have to consider confidentiality requirements - have to weigh possibility of resolving vs the need for other parties to know in some cases. Ana Loup: worth considering when we engage with parties who have been involved in CEP at ICANN. Chris Disspain: Have you considered if we need CEP at all if there is a potential for mediation. Ed Morris: I have considered in the past. Chris Disspain: We need a process to be a precursor to IRP - it could simply a mediation process for which there are a lot of existing rules and providers for such services. Ed Morris: This is appealing especially given the current CEP is a hybrid which is sometimes difficult to frame and understand. Ana Loup: If CEP was reframed as a conventional mediation it might get more participation. Chris Disspain: If there is a mediation step to IRP is there a need for CEP also - or we can merge mediation with CEP. Alan Greenberg: SOunds like worth at least a discussion. V. How to engage with community members with CEP experience? A discussion / proposed solutions (Not addressed on call). VI. Way forward Ed Morris: we have a problem finding people who have been through CEP. VII. AOB Ed Morris: will reach out to David McAuley on the topic of CEP vs Mediation as a pre IRP and then present some questions to the plenary next week. ________________________________ Chat: Yvette Guigneaux: Welcome all to the WS2 - Reviewing the CEP Subgroup Meeting #2 | Wednesday, 23 November @ 13:00 UTC! Olevie: Good morning from Lome, Togo Yvette Guigneaux: Good morning Olevie Edward Morris: Hello everybody! Anna Loup: Hello! Farzaneh Badii: Hi there. I am listening with one ear here, so apologies in advance if I miss something Farzaneh Badii: oops that came out as odd! I meant I had to combine attending this meeting with other things : ) Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: hello all Chris Disspain: greetings Chris Disspain: I am both on the phone and adobe but will drop off from adobe in 20 minutes or so Farzaneh Badii: if it was a confidential process how can people tell us about their experience? Farzaneh Badii: we have to clarify that Yvette Guigneaux: they do now Ed Yvette Guigneaux: Scrolling available for all Edward Morris: Thanks Yvette Sam Lanfranco, NPOC/csih: Greeting to all Farzaneh Badii: I like the idea of ditching CEP. Anna Loup: agreed Sam Lanfranco, NPOC/csih: From what little I understand at this point, either mediation, or a CEP as a mediation step before an IRP would be both more efficient and more effective. Chris Disspain: Droping from adobe but still on phone Sam Lanfranco, NPOC/csih: Question: Would mediation be manditory or optional prior to IRP? Farzaneh Badii: so we will have a Chinese Med/Arb : ) Alan Greenberg: SOunds like worth at least a discussion. avri doria: i have sent both questions off to the IOT list. Farzaneh Badii: but do they want to share? Farzaneh Badii: next week? Farzaneh Badii: I wont be there Farzaneh Badii: but it's ok. : ) Farzaneh Badii: no questions. thank you avri doria: i guess i should not have sent a note already. oh well. will pull back to background. Sam Lanfranco, NPOC/csih: okay Anna Loup: thanks! Edward Morris: Thanks everyone