As an unfunded participant, I will not be able to attend in person. Rumors of bottomless coffers of money for "lobbyists" (which I'm not) working for "IP interests" (whatever that means) are wildly exaggerated. I will attend remotely to the extent possible. Try not to have any substantive discussions during the breaks or in the evenings or at breakfast. Greg Shatan On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com> wrote:

To amplify on my questions—

My notes on Tuesday’s CCWG call indicate that toward the end there was a consensus that no decision on an LA meeting would be made until the CCWG had seen all the comments, including the Board’s.

My notes appear to be correct, as the notes, recording, and transcript links distributed by Brenda on 9/8 state in the official Notes:

The group is in agreement that a face-to-face meeting if conducted must be well-prepared and fit in the CCWG workflow. It must be as inclusive as possible, including additional travel funding. We need to have a good

documentation of Board's thoughts. There should not be any suggestions that this is a negotiation between Board and CCWG. Meeting

should be kept more open to community input as such. At same time, we have heard comments that we should embrace opportunity to work with Board. *We are lacking information to make a decision of whether this fits work flow.*

We will let Board know that we are continuing to make a decision about this and will share with them discussion that took place today. *We will be able to make a decision once all comments received. *(Emphasis added)

All comments have not yet been received as the comment period closes tomorrow. Why then was the decision made to override Tuesday’s consensus view and schedule the F2F prior to review of all comments, especially the Board’s?

Thanking you in advance for your response.

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*From:* accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil Corwin *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2015 1:27 PM *To:* Alice Jansen; accountability-cross-community@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Venue & Travel - September Face-to-Face Meeting

As an unfunded participant, as well as due to the fact that I have other business travel plans on 9/26, I shall not be in attendance.

However, I do have a few questions for CCWG leadership:

· Did CCWG leaders make an affirmative decision to proceed with a 2-day meeting in LA? Assuming they did, what were the primary factors on which the decision was based?

· What is the anticipated agenda and purpose of the meeting justifying the expense and time commitment?

· Given that the idea of a F2F meeting originally came from the Board, will there be interaction with the Board on 9/25 (noting Chris Disspain’s advisory that the Board has a previously scheduled workshop in LA starting on 9/26)? And what measures will be taken to ensure that this will not turn into a CCWG-Board negotiating session, given the apparent consensus against that expressed during this week’s CCWG call?

Thank you in advance for any response you can provide.

Best to all, Philip

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*From:* accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Alice Jansen *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2015 1:07 PM *To:* accountability-cross-community@icann.org *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] Venue & Travel - September Face-to-Face Meeting

Dear all,

We would like to confirm the dates and location for your September face-to-face meeting:

*Dates*: 25-26 September 2015 (two full working days)

*Venue*:

LE MERIDIEN DELFINA SANTA MONICA

530 Pico Boulevard, Santa Monica CA 90405 United States

http://www.lemeridiendelfina.com/en/lemeridien

We invite you to confirm your in-person presence by sending an RSVP to acct-staff@icann.org by *Tuesday, 15 September­ COB.* Please note that only the 26 members, the ATRT Expert, and the ICG Liaisons are eligible for travel funding. Participants are welcome to attend the F2F meeting at their own expense.

Legal counsel and Advisors will be invited to join the CCWG in Los Angeles.

Members unable to attend the meeting in-person may appoint an alternate. Alternates will be eligible for travel funding if they are a current participant of the CCWG-Accountability and are approved by their SO/AC to serve as an alternate.

As always, remote participation will be available for this meeting.

Feel free to contact ICANN staff (acct-staff@icann.org) should you have any questions.

Thank you

Best regards,

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James This Is history repeating itself. It's looking to me like it is entirely deliberate. They think we've forgotten how the IFWP wrapped up in a cosy negotiation that excluded the participants of the process and plan to repeat the exercise with the transition. Expect the result of this meeting to be a negotiated deal between the Board and the CCWG Leadership. As an unfounded participant that on such short notice couldn't rearrange my commitments anyway I am more than a little irritated at being excluded in this exercise. Sent from my iPad

On 11 Sep 2015, at 21:03, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net> wrote:

All,

To be honest its disappointing to see that stakeholders who have been heavily involved in the process to date may not be given to opportunity to attend in person. Given the importance of this event and some statements that had been made around active participants being offered the opportunity to have a seat at the physical table its unfortunate that this hasn’t been reflected in the outcome of the planning for the meeting.

-James Gannon

...

On 11 Sep 2015, at 18:07, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org> wrote:

Dear all,

We would like to confirm the dates and location for your September face-to-face meeting:

Dates: 25-26 September 2015 (two full working days) Venue: LE MERIDIEN DELFINA SANTA MONICA 530 Pico Boulevard, Santa Monica CA 90405 United States http://www.lemeridiendelfina.com/en/lemeridien

We invite you to confirm your in-person presence by sending an RSVP to acct-staff@icann.org by Tuesday, 15 September­ COB. Please note that only the 26 members, the ATRT Expert, and the ICG Liaisons are eligible for travel funding. Participants are welcome to attend the F2F meeting at their own expense.

Legal counsel and Advisors will be invited to join the CCWG in Los Angeles.

Members unable to attend the meeting in-person may appoint an alternate. Alternates will be eligible for travel funding if they are a current participant of the CCWG-Accountability and are approved by their SO/AC to serve as an alternate.

As always, remote participation will be available for this meeting.

Feel free to contact ICANN staff (acct-staff@icann.org) should you have any questions.

Thank you

Best regards,

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Hi, I expect that the meeting would allow remote participation. Even though I would have also appreciated support for ccwg-participants, I think it's important to note that this is not a new thing as all CCWG meeting in the past has happened in this way. I think it's just economically reasonable enough to restrict the funding in such a manner. It is my hope that the Co-Chairs will (as usual) ensure to treat remote and physical participants equally as it concerns participation. Regards Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 12 Sep 2015 10:12, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:

James

This Is history repeating itself. It's looking to me like it is entirely deliberate.

They think we've forgotten how the IFWP wrapped up in a cosy negotiation that excluded the participants of the process and plan to repeat the exercise with the transition.

Expect the result of this meeting to be a negotiated deal between the Board and the CCWG Leadership.

As an unfounded participant that on such short notice couldn't rearrange my commitments anyway I am more than a little irritated at being excluded in this exercise.

Sent from my iPad

On 11 Sep 2015, at 21:03, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net> wrote:

All,

To be honest its disappointing to see that stakeholders who have been heavily involved in the process to date may not be given to opportunity to attend in person. Given the importance of this event and some statements that had been made around active participants being offered the opportunity to have a seat at the physical table its unfortunate that this hasn’t been reflected in the outcome of the planning for the meeting.

-James Gannon

On 11 Sep 2015, at 18:07, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org> wrote:

Dear all,

We would like to confirm the dates and location for your September face-to-face meeting:

*Dates*: 25-26 September 2015 (two full working days) *Venue*: LE MERIDIEN DELFINA SANTA MONICA 530 Pico Boulevard, Santa Monica CA 90405 United States http://www.lemeridiendelfina.com/en/lemeridien

We invite you to confirm your in-person presence by sending an RSVP to acct-staff@icann.org by *Tuesday, 15 September­ COB.* Please note that only the 26 members, the ATRT Expert, and the ICG Liaisons are eligible for travel funding. Participants are welcome to attend the F2F meeting at their own expense.

Legal counsel and Advisors will be invited to join the CCWG in Los Angeles.

Members unable to attend the meeting in-person may appoint an alternate. Alternates will be eligible for travel funding if they are a current participant of the CCWG-Accountability and are approved by their SO/AC to serve as an alternate.

As always, remote participation will be available for this meeting.

Feel free to contact ICANN staff (acct-staff@icann.org) should you have any questions.

Thank you

Best regards,

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Hi Julie, Can you send Patrick or James as an alternate? Is SSAC rep travel covered? (It should be.) Anne [cid:image001.gif@01D0ED41.E5B00680] Anne E. Aikman-Scalese, Of Counsel Lewis Roca Rothgerber LLP | One South Church Avenue Suite 700 | Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611 (T) 520.629.4428 | (F) 520.879.4725 AAikman@LRRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRRLaw.com> | www.LRRLaw.com<http://www.lrrlaw.com/> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Julie Hammer Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 3:52 PM To: Alice Jansen; ACCT-Staff Cc: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Venue & Travel - September Face-to-Face Meeting Thank you for this advice, Alice. I regret that, due to prior personal commitments, I will be unable to attend the Face-to-Face Meeting in Los Angeles, and also unlikely to be able to attend remotely. Please accept my apologies. Regards, Julie Hammer (SSAC) On 12 Sep 2015, at 3:07 am, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org>> wrote: Dear all, We would like to confirm the dates and location for your September face-to-face meeting: Dates: 25-26 September 2015 (two full working days) Venue: LE MERIDIEN DELFINA SANTA MONICA 530 Pico Boulevard, Santa Monica CA 90405 United States http://www.lemeridiendelfina.com/en/lemeridien We invite you to confirm your in-person presence by sending an RSVP to acct-staff@icann.org<mailto:acct-staff@icann.org> by Tuesday, 15 September­ COB. Please note that only the 26 members, the ATRT Expert, and the ICG Liaisons are eligible for travel funding. Participants are welcome to attend the F2F meeting at their own expense. Legal counsel and Advisors will be invited to join the CCWG in Los Angeles. Members unable to attend the meeting in-person may appoint an alternate. Alternates will be eligible for travel funding if they are a current participant of the CCWG-Accountability and are approved by their SO/AC to serve as an alternate. As always, remote participation will be available for this meeting. Feel free to contact ICANN staff (acct-staff@icann.org<mailto:acct-staff@icann.org>) should you have any questions. Thank you Best regards, Alice _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community ________________________________ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If the reader of this message or an attachment is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message or attachment to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender. The information transmitted in this message and any attachments may be privileged, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the intended recipients, and is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §2510-2521.

The impression I had from the call was that if a meeting were scheduled, the purpose would be to review all public comments and not to simply talk to the Board. Talking to the Board is a good idea but in fact it appears there is no formal meeting with the Board that has been announced and there will only be Board members as participants in the sessions. I actually think it would be good to schedule a fixed time for a formal meeting with the Board where the largest number of remote participants can be included. There seems to be some fear on the list of a “side deal” being negotiated. If this is conducted as a Face to Face of the CCWG (as was Paris) then there should not be a side deal in Santa Monica. (Am I being too idealistic?) If there is a “side deal” negotiation going on, it is probably happening right now anyway and without the necessity of a face to face meeting. I think the face to face meeting sheds MORE light on the process, not less. It is also an opportunity to document discussion and consensus building with respect to all of the public comments. This is why I place emphasis on review of a staff summary of all comments received and that this staff summary would be available to all participants a few days prior to the Face to face in Santa Monica. Anne [cid:image001.gif@01D0ED43.3A034930] Anne E. Aikman-Scalese, Of Counsel Lewis Roca Rothgerber LLP | One South Church Avenue Suite 700 | Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611 (T) 520.629.4428 | (F) 520.879.4725 AAikman@LRRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRRLaw.com> | www.LRRLaw.com<http://www.lrrlaw.com/> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 4:43 AM To: Alice Jansen Cc: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Venue & Travel - September Face-to-Face Meeting Dear All, If all those actively involved and heavily snd constructively contributed to the process do not attend for one or other reasons, there seems to be the need for a CCWG call in which the framework of the discussion and agreement of all on the area of negotiation, if any are discussed and agreed upon. The CCWG may not authorise few people having the authority to negotiate on behalf of the entire group Regards Kavouss Sent from my iPhone On 11 Sep 2015, at 19:07, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org>> wrote: Dear all, We would like to confirm the dates and location for your September face-to-face meeting: Dates: 25-26 September 2015 (two full working days) Venue: LE MERIDIEN DELFINA SANTA MONICA 530 Pico Boulevard, Santa Monica CA 90405 United States http://www.lemeridiendelfina.com/en/lemeridien We invite you to confirm your in-person presence by sending an RSVP to acct-staff@icann.org<mailto:acct-staff@icann.org> by Tuesday, 15 September­ COB. Please note that only the 26 members, the ATRT Expert, and the ICG Liaisons are eligible for travel funding. Participants are welcome to attend the F2F meeting at their own expense. Legal counsel and Advisors will be invited to join the CCWG in Los Angeles. Members unable to attend the meeting in-person may appoint an alternate. Alternates will be eligible for travel funding if they are a current participant of the CCWG-Accountability and are approved by their SO/AC to serve as an alternate. As always, remote participation will be available for this meeting. Feel free to contact ICANN staff (acct-staff@icann.org<mailto:acct-staff@icann.org>) should you have any questions. Thank you Best regards, Alice _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community ________________________________ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If the reader of this message or an attachment is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message or attachment to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender. The information transmitted in this message and any attachments may be privileged, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the intended recipients, and is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §2510-2521.