Fw: [At-Large] (no subject)
The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me. Ron
Lots of drivel deleted, and the attachment applies again. el On 2015-10-23 23:58 , Ron Baione wrote:
The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me.
Ron [...]
This is a publicly archived email list. You have the same access to the prior emails as every other participant. I suggest you start reading from the beginning of the list and work your way forward until you have caught up with the group. You should find the email you seek in the process. This will likely have the effect of improving the quality of your contributions as well. On Friday, October 23, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> wrote:
The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me.
Ron
------------------------------ * From: * David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; * To: * Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; * Cc: * Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; * Subject: * Re: [At-Large] (no subject) * Sent: * Fri, Oct 23, 2015 7:01:08 PM
Yes, we first started experiencing the problem back when yahoo.com changed their DMARC policy to a strict reject. We didn’t have many yahoo.com senders on our lists surprisingly so the problem wasn’t a huge deal. We were waiting on a vendor back port patch (CentOS via Redhat) to help with header munging for senders with strict reject DMARC policies. The back port patch was ready back in August but we didn’t have time to fully test. We have completed testing as of this morning and plan schedule the change for this weekend.
The change will be almost transparent with exception to senders from domains with strict reject DMARC policies. In this case, the “from:” will be replaced with the list address and we will insert a “reply-to:” header with the senders address. Our testing indicates this is working flawlessly with the vendor patch.
-- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 7:15 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
Thanks David, any way you can provide when the DMARC email issue was initially brought to your attention? For example, has the referenced upgrade been in the works for a few months or is this something that occurred just within the last few weeks/days?
Ron
------------------------------ *From: *David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; *To: *Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] (no subject) *Sent: *Fri, Oct 23, 2015 12:38:48 AM
Greetings Ron,
We are testing the version upgrade now in our test environment but need about a week before the actual production upgrade.
- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
David,
If possible, provide the date or time-frame that the ICANN system upgrade for DMARC related emails was planned for or ordered by your office.
Ron
------------------------------ *From: *David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; *To: *John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com>; *Cc: *at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>;
*Subject: *Re: [At-Large] (no subject) *Sent: *Thu, Oct 22, 2015 6:26:30 PM
Thanks John.
We can discuss off-list if you would like.
Yes, I was attempting to avoid an email discussion regarding DMARC but we already have a upgrade planned to our mailman system since some DMARC support is a necessity moving forward.
-- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
-----Original Message----- From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Cc: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, " at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
We are working to provide a solution to this problem as quickly as possible. We will update Valentina Pavel (ICANN IT support case holder) who can in turn advise the Atlarge stakeholders.
It's actually called DMARC, and I can report there is some work in progress to fix it at the group that caused the DMARC problems in the first place.
R's, John
At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
The email sought was not found in the archives. The point I was making is that there was no email alerting the community to a known IT problem, nor will there be. The quality of anyone's contributions is relative to the person reading them, as this is an open and inclusive process, and lastly, the quality of your contributions have helped lead ICANN to the success it is today. Best, Ron
Not quite sure what you are trying to say, but I would be glad to ask the list to comment on the relative value of your contributions to my emails, meeting contributions, Working Party contributions and drafting contributions over the last 10+ months. As you say, it's all relative. On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> wrote:
The email sought was not found in the archives. The point I was making is that there was no email alerting the community to a known IT problem, nor will there be. The quality of anyone's contributions is relative to the person reading them, as this is an open and inclusive process, and lastly, the quality of your contributions have helped lead ICANN to the success it is today.
Best,
Ron
This is a publicly archived email list. You have the same access to the prior emails as every other participant. I suggest you start reading from the beginning of the list and work your way forward until you have caught up with the group. You should find the email you seek in the process.
This will likely have the effect of improving the quality of your contributions as well.
On Friday, October 23, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> wrote:
The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me.
Ron
------------------------------ * From: * David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; * To: * Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; * Cc: * Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; * Subject: * Re: [At-Large] (no subject) * Sent: * Fri, Oct 23, 2015 7:01:08 PM
Yes, we first started experiencing the problem back when yahoo.com changed their DMARC policy to a strict reject. We didn’t have many yahoo.com senders on our lists surprisingly so the problem wasn’t a huge deal. We were waiting on a vendor back port patch (CentOS via Redhat) to help with header munging for senders with strict reject DMARC policies. The back port patch was ready back in August but we didn’t have time to fully test. We have completed testing as of this morning and plan schedule the change for this weekend.
The change will be almost transparent with exception to senders from domains with strict reject DMARC policies. In this case, the “from:” will be replaced with the list address and we will insert a “reply-to:” header with the senders address. Our testing indicates this is working flawlessly with the vendor patch.
-- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 7:15 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
Thanks David, any way you can provide when the DMARC email issue was initially brought to your attention? For example, has the referenced upgrade been in the works for a few months or is this something that occurred just within the last few weeks/days?
Ron
------------------------------ *From: *David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; *To: *Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] (no subject) *Sent: *Fri, Oct 23, 2015 12:38:48 AM
Greetings Ron,
We are testing the version upgrade now in our test environment but need about a week before the actual production upgrade.
- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
David,
If possible, provide the date or time-frame that the ICANN system upgrade for DMARC related emails was planned for or ordered by your office.
Ron
------------------------------ *From: *David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; *To: *John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com>; *Cc: *at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>;
*Subject: *Re: [At-Large] (no subject) *Sent: *Thu, Oct 22, 2015 6:26:30 PM
Thanks John.
We can discuss off-list if you would like.
Yes, I was attempting to avoid an email discussion regarding DMARC but we already have a upgrade planned to our mailman system since some DMARC support is a necessity moving forward.
-- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
-----Original Message----- From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Cc: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, " at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
We are working to provide a solution to this problem as quickly as possible. We will update Valentina Pavel (ICANN IT support case holder) who can in turn advise the Atlarge stakeholders.
It's actually called DMARC, and I can report there is some work in progress to fix it at the group that caused the DMARC problems in the first place.
R's, John
At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
I suggest we ALL try to limit personal back-and-forth email on this global list. We have enough real work to do without distractions. Regards, Keith On Oct 24, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> wrote: Not quite sure what you are trying to say, but I would be glad to ask the list to comment on the relative value of your contributions to my emails, meeting contributions, Working Party contributions and drafting contributions over the last 10+ months. As you say, it's all relative. On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>> wrote: The email sought was not found in the archives. The point I was making is that there was no email alerting the community to a known IT problem, nor will there be. The quality of anyone's contributions is relative to the person reading them, as this is an open and inclusive process, and lastly, the quality of your contributions have helped lead ICANN to the success it is today. Best, Ron This is a publicly archived email list. You have the same access to the prior emails as every other participant. I suggest you start reading from the beginning of the list and work your way forward until you have caught up with the group. You should find the email you seek in the process. This will likely have the effect of improving the quality of your contributions as well. On Friday, October 23, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> wrote: The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me. Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 7:01:08 PM Yes, we first started experiencing the problem back when http://yahoo.com changed their DMARC policy to a strict reject. We didn’t have many http://yahoo.com senders on our lists surprisingly so the problem wasn’t a huge deal. We were waiting on a vendor back port patch (CentOS via Redhat) to help with header munging for senders with strict reject DMARC policies. The back port patch was ready back in August but we didn’t have time to fully test. We have completed testing as of this morning and plan schedule the change for this weekend. The change will be almost transparent with exception to senders from domains with strict reject DMARC policies. In this case, the “from:” will be replaced with the list address and we will insert a “reply-to:” header with the senders address. Our testing indicates this is working flawlessly with the vendor patch. -- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 7:15 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Thanks David, any way you can provide when the DMARC email issue was initially brought to your attention? For example, has the referenced upgrade been in the works for a few months or is this something that occurred just within the last few weeks/days? Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 12:38:48 AM Greetings Ron, We are testing the version upgrade now in our test environment but need about a week before the actual production upgrade. - David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) David, If possible, provide the date or time-frame that the ICANN system upgrade for DMARC related emails was planned for or ordered by your office. Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com>; Cc: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 6:26:30 PM Thanks John. We can discuss off-list if you would like. Yes, I was attempting to avoid an email discussion regarding DMARC but we already have a upgrade planned to our mailman system since some DMARC support is a necessity moving forward. -- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- -----Original Message----- From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Cc: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, "at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
We are working to provide a solution to this problem as quickly as possible. We will update Valentina Pavel (ICANN IT support case holder) who can in turn advise the Atlarge stakeholders.
It's actually called DMARC, and I can report there is some work in progress to fix it at the group that caused the DMARC problems in the first place.
R's, John
At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
I generally don't engage in non-substantive byplay, but the combination of a flight delay and a sarcastic insult weakened my resolve. My apologies to the credible members of the list. I'll stop looking in my spam folder! Back to work. Greg On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com> wrote:
I suggest we ALL try to limit personal back-and-forth email on this global list. We have enough real work to do without distractions.
Regards, Keith
On Oct 24, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gregshatanipc@gmail.com');>> wrote:
Not quite sure what you are trying to say, but I would be glad to ask the list to comment on the relative value of your contributions to my emails, meeting contributions, Working Party contributions and drafting contributions over the last 10+ months.
As you say, it's all relative.
On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ron.baione@yahoo.com');>> wrote:
The email sought was not found in the archives. The point I was making is that there was no email alerting the community to a known IT problem, nor will there be. The quality of anyone's contributions is relative to the person reading them, as this is an open and inclusive process, and lastly, the quality of your contributions have helped lead ICANN to the success it is today.
Best,
Ron
This is a publicly archived email list. You have the same access to the prior emails as every other participant. I suggest you start reading from the beginning of the list and work your way forward until you have caught up with the group. You should find the email you seek in the process.
This will likely have the effect of improving the quality of your contributions as well.
On Friday, October 23, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> wrote:
The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me.
Ron
------------------------------ *From: *David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; *To: *Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; *Cc: *Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] (no subject) *Sent: *Fri, Oct 23, 2015 7:01:08 PM
Yes, we first started experiencing the problem back when http://yahoo.com changed their DMARC policy to a strict reject. We didn’t have many http://yahoo.com senders on our lists surprisingly so the problem wasn’t a huge deal. We were waiting on a vendor back port patch (CentOS via Redhat) to help with header munging for senders with strict reject DMARC policies. The back port patch was ready back in August but we didn’t have time to fully test. We have completed testing as of this morning and plan schedule the change for this weekend.
The change will be almost transparent with exception to senders from domains with strict reject DMARC policies. In this case, the “from:” will be replaced with the list address and we will insert a “reply-to:” header with the senders address. Our testing indicates this is working flawlessly with the vendor patch.
-- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 7:15 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
Thanks David, any way you can provide when the DMARC email issue was initially brought to your attention? For example, has the referenced upgrade been in the works for a few months or is this something that occurred just within the last few weeks/days?
Ron
------------------------------ *From: *David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; *To: *Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] (no subject) *Sent: *Fri, Oct 23, 2015 12:38:48 AM
Greetings Ron,
We are testing the version upgrade now in our test environment but need about a week before the actual production upgrade.
- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
David,
If possible, provide the date or time-frame that the ICANN system upgrade for DMARC related emails was planned for or ordered by your office.
Ron
------------------------------ *From: *David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; *To: *John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com>; *Cc: *at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>;
*Subject: *Re: [At-Large] (no subject) *Sent: *Thu, Oct 22, 2015 6:26:30 PM
Thanks John.
We can discuss off-list if you would like.
Yes, I was attempting to avoid an email discussion regarding DMARC but we already have a upgrade planned to our mailman system since some DMARC support is a necessity moving forward.
-- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
-----Original Message----- From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Cc: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, " at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
We are working to provide a solution to this problem as quickly as possible. We will update Valentina Pavel (ICANN IT support case holder) who can in turn advise the Atlarge stakeholders.
It's actually called DMARC, and I can report there is some work in progress to fix it at the group that caused the DMARC problems in the first place.
R's, John
At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
_______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org');> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
Apology not accepted by me, Greg, as your comments were very demeaning, and I would ask that you refrain from demeaning me as I try my best to live up to the standard you yourself have established at ICANN, as claimed. Your leadership has led ICANN to the amazing success it is today, and I look up to you for leadership and guidance. Ron
I agree Keith and I would further ask that additional comments to the list be first compared to the relative value of key contributors from the past 10 months before posting, as suggested. Can someone post "The relative value of contributions chart or table" for new participants to be able to weigh their contributions to the list. Thanks if you can provide that existing metric. Best, Ron
Ron, this is also not a constructive path. Let's please focus on the substance of our work. Regards, Keith Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>> wrote: I agree Keith and I would further ask that additional comments to the list be first compared to the relative value of key contributors from the past 10 months before posting, as suggested. Can someone post "The relative value of contributions chart or table" for new participants to be able to weigh their contributions to the list. Thanks if you can provide that existing metric. Best, Ron ________________________________ From: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com<mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com>>; To: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>; Cc: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>>; accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>>; Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fw: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2015 3:23:41 PM I suggest we ALL try to limit personal back-and-forth email on this global list. We have enough real work to do without distractions. Regards, Keith On Oct 24, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<javascript:return>> wrote: Not quite sure what you are trying to say, but I would be glad to ask the list to comment on the relative value of your contributions to my emails, meeting contributions, Working Party contributions and drafting contributions over the last 10+ months. As you say, it's all relative. On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<javascript:return>> wrote: The email sought was not found in the archives. The point I was making is that there was no email alerting the community to a known IT problem, nor will there be. The quality of anyone's contributions is relative to the person reading them, as this is an open and inclusive process, and lastly, the quality of your contributions have helped lead ICANN to the success it is today. Best, Ron This is a publicly archived email list. You have the same access to the prior emails as every other participant. I suggest you start reading from the beginning of the list and work your way forward until you have caught up with the group. You should find the email you seek in the process. This will likely have the effect of improving the quality of your contributions as well. On Friday, October 23, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> wrote: The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me. Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 7:01:08 PM Yes, we first started experiencing the problem back when http://yahoo.com changed their DMARC policy to a strict reject. We didn’t have many http://yahoo.com senders on our lists surprisingly so the problem wasn’t a huge deal. We were waiting on a vendor back port patch (CentOS via Redhat) to help with header munging for senders with strict reject DMARC policies. The back port patch was ready back in August but we didn’t have time to fully test. We have completed testing as of this morning and plan schedule the change for this weekend. The change will be almost transparent with exception to senders from domains with strict reject DMARC policies. In this case, the “from:” will be replaced with the list address and we will insert a “reply-to:” header with the senders address. Our testing indicates this is working flawlessly with the vendor patch. -- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 7:15 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Thanks David, any way you can provide when the DMARC email issue was initially brought to your attention? For example, has the referenced upgrade been in the works for a few months or is this something that occurred just within the last few weeks/days? Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 12:38:48 AM Greetings Ron, We are testing the version upgrade now in our test environment but need about a week before the actual production upgrade. - David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) David, If possible, provide the date or time-frame that the ICANN system upgrade for DMARC related emails was planned for or ordered by your office. Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com>; Cc: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 6:26:30 PM Thanks John. We can discuss off-list if you would like. Yes, I was attempting to avoid an email discussion regarding DMARC but we already have a upgrade planned to our mailman system since some DMARC support is a necessity moving forward. -- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- -----Original Message----- From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Cc: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, "at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
We are working to provide a solution to this problem as quickly as possible. We will update Valentina Pavel (ICANN IT support case holder) who can in turn advise the Atlarge stakeholders.
It's actually called DMARC, and I can report there is some work in progress to fix it at the group that caused the DMARC problems in the first place.
R's, John
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Keith, I have discerned from your response that there exists no metric for new participants to measure their contributions against that of key contributors over the last 10 months. That discernment will help to limit future confusion as to the questions and topics raised to me previously by Greg, limiting such confusion on an important topic raised by a key contibutor meets the definition of "constructive." Ron
+1. On Oct 24, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com<mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com>> wrote: I suggest we ALL try to limit personal back-and-forth email on this global list. We have enough real work to do without distractions. Regards, Keith On Oct 24, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> wrote: Not quite sure what you are trying to say, but I would be glad to ask the list to comment on the relative value of your contributions to my emails, meeting contributions, Working Party contributions and drafting contributions over the last 10+ months. As you say, it's all relative. On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>> wrote: The email sought was not found in the archives. The point I was making is that there was no email alerting the community to a known IT problem, nor will there be. The quality of anyone's contributions is relative to the person reading them, as this is an open and inclusive process, and lastly, the quality of your contributions have helped lead ICANN to the success it is today. Best, Ron This is a publicly archived email list. You have the same access to the prior emails as every other participant. I suggest you start reading from the beginning of the list and work your way forward until you have caught up with the group. You should find the email you seek in the process. This will likely have the effect of improving the quality of your contributions as well. On Friday, October 23, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> wrote: The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me. Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 7:01:08 PM Yes, we first started experiencing the problem back when http://yahoo.com changed their DMARC policy to a strict reject. We didn’t have many http://yahoo.com senders on our lists surprisingly so the problem wasn’t a huge deal. We were waiting on a vendor back port patch (CentOS via Redhat) to help with header munging for senders with strict reject DMARC policies. The back port patch was ready back in August but we didn’t have time to fully test. We have completed testing as of this morning and plan schedule the change for this weekend. The change will be almost transparent with exception to senders from domains with strict reject DMARC policies. In this case, the “from:” will be replaced with the list address and we will insert a “reply-to:” header with the senders address. Our testing indicates this is working flawlessly with the vendor patch. -- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 7:15 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Thanks David, any way you can provide when the DMARC email issue was initially brought to your attention? For example, has the referenced upgrade been in the works for a few months or is this something that occurred just within the last few weeks/days? Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 12:38:48 AM Greetings Ron, We are testing the version upgrade now in our test environment but need about a week before the actual production upgrade. - David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) David, If possible, provide the date or time-frame that the ICANN system upgrade for DMARC related emails was planned for or ordered by your office. Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com>; Cc: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 6:26:30 PM Thanks John. We can discuss off-list if you would like. Yes, I was attempting to avoid an email discussion regarding DMARC but we already have a upgrade planned to our mailman system since some DMARC support is a necessity moving forward. -- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- -----Original Message----- From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Cc: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, "at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
We are working to provide a solution to this problem as quickly as possible. We will update Valentina Pavel (ICANN IT support case holder) who can in turn advise the Atlarge stakeholders.
It's actually called DMARC, and I can report there is some work in progress to fix it at the group that caused the DMARC problems in the first place.
R's, John
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Is anyone aware of when the next Winston Churchill trivia session will be? Is that a weekly thing? Monthly? Just trying to blend in to the hard work process that is strictly adhered to, it seems. Ron
Dear co-chairs, I herewith formally request you to consider revoking mr. Ron Baione's (example email below) access to and entry on the CCWG email list(s). As arguments supporting this request I submit that: * The nearly 80 emails mr. Baione sent to this list only this month, lack both subject (as of late) and content in almost all cases. Theypre cost other subscribers to the list precious time and bring us (and the community) nothing; * Mr. Baione’s Statement of Interest states very little in general and and is quite unclear about his interests in particular. @ my fellow CCWG members and participants: please feel free to support or object to this request. Best regards, Roelof A. Meijer CEO SIDN | Meander 501 | 6825 MD | P.O. Box 5022 | 6802 EA | ARNHEM | THE NETHERLANDS T +31 (0)26 352 55 00 | M +31 (0)6 11 395 775 | F +31 (0)26 352 55 05 roelof.meijer@sidn.nl<mailto:roelof.meijer@sidn.nl> | www.sidn.nl<http://www.sidn.nl/> From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Ron Baione via Accountability-Cross-Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>> Date: zaterdag 24 oktober 2015 17:09 To: "Salaets, Ken" <ksalaets@itic.org<mailto:ksalaets@itic.org>>, Keith Drazek <kdrazek@verisign.com<mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com>> Cc: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fw: [At-Large] (no subject) Is anyone aware of when the next Winston Churchill trivia session will be? Is that a weekly thing? Monthly? Just trying to blend in to the hard work process that is strictly adhered to, it seems. Ron ________________________________ From: Salaets, Ken <ksalaets@itic.org<mailto:ksalaets@itic.org>>; To: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com<mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com>>; Cc: accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>>; Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fw: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2015 4:02:11 PM +1. On Oct 24, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com<javascript:return>> wrote: I suggest we ALL try to limit personal back-and-forth email on this global list. We have enough real work to do without distractions. Regards, Keith On Oct 24, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<javascript:return>> wrote: Not quite sure what you are trying to say, but I would be glad to ask the list to comment on the relative value of your contributions to my emails, meeting contributions, Working Party contributions and drafting contributions over the last 10+ months. As you say, it's all relative. On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<javascript:return>> wrote: The email sought was not found in the archives. The point I was making is that there was no email alerting the community to a known IT problem, nor will there be. The quality of anyone's contributions is relative to the person reading them, as this is an open and inclusive process, and lastly, the quality of your contributions have helped lead ICANN to the success it is today. Best, Ron This is a publicly archived email list. You have the same access to the prior emails as every other participant. I suggest you start reading from the beginning of the list and work your way forward until you have caught up with the group. You should find the email you seek in the process. This will likely have the effect of improving the quality of your contributions as well. On Friday, October 23, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> wrote: The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me. Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 7:01:08 PM Yes, we first started experiencing the problem back when http://yahoo.com changed their DMARC policy to a strict reject. We didn’t have many http://yahoo.com senders on our lists surprisingly so the problem wasn’t a huge deal. We were waiting on a vendor back port patch (CentOS via Redhat) to help with header munging for senders with strict reject DMARC policies. The back port patch was ready back in August but we didn’t have time to fully test. We have completed testing as of this morning and plan schedule the change for this weekend. The change will be almost transparent with exception to senders from domains with strict reject DMARC policies. In this case, the “from:” will be replaced with the list address and we will insert a “reply-to:” header with the senders address. Our testing indicates this is working flawlessly with the vendor patch. -- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 7:15 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Thanks David, any way you can provide when the DMARC email issue was initially brought to your attention? For example, has the referenced upgrade been in the works for a few months or is this something that occurred just within the last few weeks/days? Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 12:38:48 AM Greetings Ron, We are testing the version upgrade now in our test environment but need about a week before the actual production upgrade. - David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) David, If possible, provide the date or time-frame that the ICANN system upgrade for DMARC related emails was planned for or ordered by your office. Ron ________________________________ From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com>; Cc: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 6:26:30 PM Thanks John. We can discuss off-list if you would like. Yes, I was attempting to avoid an email discussion regarding DMARC but we already have a upgrade planned to our mailman system since some DMARC support is a necessity moving forward. -- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 -- -----Original Message----- From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Cc: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, "at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
We are working to provide a solution to this problem as quickly as possible. We will update Valentina Pavel (ICANN IT support case holder) who can in turn advise the Atlarge stakeholders.
It's actually called DMARC, and I can report there is some work in progress to fix it at the group that caused the DMARC problems in the first place.
R's, John
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Roelof, It is easy to filter on his/her From: or as of late Reply-To: header. I do not filter his/her emails, myself, because they do provide the occasional comic relief, even if I agree, they are generally subject-matter free. I am a firm believer in everybody being allowed the opportunity to prove oneself an idiot, but will, should it come to a Consensus Call, not object. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On 25 Oct 2015, at 17:50, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl> wrote:
Dear co-chairs,
I herewith formally request you to consider revoking mr. Ron Baione's (example email below) access to and entry on the CCWG email list(s).
As arguments supporting this request I submit that: The nearly 80 emails mr. Baione sent to this list only this month, lack both subject (as of late) and content in almost all cases. Theypre cost other subscribers to the list precious time and bring us (and the community) nothing; Mr. Baione’s Statement of Interest states very little in general and and is quite unclear about his interests in particular.
@ my fellow CCWG members and participants: please feel free to support or object to this request.
Best regards,
Roelof A. Meijer
CEO
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From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Ron Baione via Accountability-Cross-Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: zaterdag 24 oktober 2015 17:09 To: "Salaets, Ken" <ksalaets@itic.org>, Keith Drazek <kdrazek@verisign.com> Cc: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fw: [At-Large] (no subject)
Is anyone aware of when the next Winston Churchill trivia session will be? Is that a weekly thing? Monthly? Just trying to blend in to the hard work process that is strictly adhered to, it seems.
Ron
From: Salaets, Ken <ksalaets@itic.org>; To: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com>; Cc: accountability-cross-community@icann.org <accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fw: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2015 4:02:11 PM
+1.
On Oct 24, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com> wrote:
I suggest we ALL try to limit personal back-and-forth email on this global list. We have enough real work to do without distractions.
Regards, Keith
On Oct 24, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
Not quite sure what you are trying to say, but I would be glad to ask the list to comment on the relative value of your contributions to my emails, meeting contributions, Working Party contributions and drafting contributions over the last 10+ months.
As you say, it's all relative.
On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> wrote:
The email sought was not found in the archives. The point I was making is that there was no email alerting the community to a known IT problem, nor will there be. The quality of anyone's contributions is relative to the person reading them, as this is an open and inclusive process, and lastly, the quality of your contributions have helped lead ICANN to the success it is today.
Best,
Ron
This is a publicly archived email list. You have the same access to the prior emails as every other participant. I suggest you start reading from the beginning of the list and work your way forward until you have caught up with the group. You should find the email you seek in the process.
This will likely have the effect of improving the quality of your contributions as well.
On Friday, October 23, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> wrote:
The bounceback/spam IT Issue the email lists have been having was a known issue to the office of the ICANN IT director since Yahoo changed its spam filter to DMARC. The information in this email chain (below) was not provided to me when I signed up as a participant to ccwg-accountability. The patch to fix the issue was available in August (read conversation below). If anyone can provide me an email from August 2015 or before, from the IT director or IT Staff, which instructs the members, participants and observers of this or any mailing list that a patch or fix to the mailing list bounceback/spam issue would be tested and implemented, kindly forward that email to me.
Ron
From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 7:01:08 PM
Yes, we first started experiencing the problem back when http://yahoo.com changed their DMARC policy to a strict reject. We didn’t have many http://yahoo.com senders on our lists surprisingly so the problem wasn’t a huge deal. We were waiting on a vendor back port patch (CentOS via Redhat) to help with header munging for senders with strict reject DMARC policies. The back port patch was ready back in August but we didn’t have time to fully test. We have completed testing as of this morning and plan schedule the change for this weekend.
The change will be almost transparent with exception to senders from domains with strict reject DMARC policies. In this case, the “from:” will be replaced with the list address and we will insert a “reply-to:” header with the senders address. Our testing indicates this is working flawlessly with the vendor patch.
-- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 7:15 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
Thanks David, any way you can provide when the DMARC email issue was initially brought to your attention? For example, has the referenced upgrade been in the works for a few months or is this something that occurred just within the last few weeks/days?
Ron
From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 12:38:48 AM
Greetings Ron,
We are testing the version upgrade now in our test environment but need about a week before the actual production upgrade.
- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
From: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
David,
If possible, provide the date or time-frame that the ICANN system upgrade for DMARC related emails was planned for or ordered by your office.
Ron
From: David Closson <david.closson@icann.org>; To: John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com>; Cc: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject) Sent: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 6:26:30 PM
Thanks John.
We can discuss off-list if you would like.
Yes, I was attempting to avoid an email discussion regarding DMARC but we already have a upgrade planned to our mailman system since some DMARC support is a necessity moving forward.
-- David Closson Director of IT Operations, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr. Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1-310-578-8670 Cell: +1-213-270-3866 --
-----Original Message----- From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM To: "david.closson" <david.closson@icann.org> Cc: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, "at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] (no subject)
> We are working to provide a solution to this problem as quickly as possible. > We will update Valentina Pavel (ICANN IT support case holder) who can in turn advise the Atlarge stakeholders.
It's actually called DMARC, and I can report there is some work in progress to fix it at the group that caused the DMARC problems in the first place.
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I shall abandon any and all restraint, and perhaps surprisingly, support Roelof in his submission. On 25/10/15 17:27, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
Roelof,
It is easy to filter on his/her From: or as of late Reply-To: header. I do not filter his/her emails, myself, because they do provide the occasional comic relief, even if I agree, they are generally subject-matter free.
I am a firm believer in everybody being allowed the opportunity to prove oneself an idiot, but will, should it come to a Consensus Call, not object.
el
Plus four hundred thousand. Jordan On 25 October 2015 at 19:57, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
I shall abandon any and all restraint, and perhaps surprisingly, support Roelof in his submission.
On 25/10/15 17:27, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
Roelof,
It is easy to filter on his/her From: or as of late Reply-To: header. I do not filter his/her emails, myself, because they do provide the occasional comic relief, even if I agree, they are generally subject-matter free.
I am a firm believer in everybody being allowed the opportunity to prove oneself an idiot, but will, should it come to a Consensus Call, not object.
el
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I object to the proposed idea, and regard his arguments as part of a culture of inconsistent criticism directed against the portion of multistakeholders defined not by a title or business card, but mostly by their interest in the process. If the group ever begins kicking out people it disagrees with on ideas like the external whistleblower process,, it could be you kicked out the next time you have an idea disagreement with "the assumed bosses", which is how the direct insults towards me began in the first place, without any objection. The proposal to kick me out of the group is a sign that my arguments are "too correct". Ron Not Ceo
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Ron Baione -
Salaets, Ken