Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Expenses
Hello, On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>
wrote:
There was no specific budget allocated to this process, as far as I know.
Hopefully the recently shared url clears your claim above Greg: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/iana-stewardship-project-costs-2015-10... Cost summary: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-stewardship-costs-summary-f... That said, it is my hope that we are paying close attention to the Legal costs that seem to be growing significantly. There absolute need to engage the external council more directly with more certainty/specificity in our requirements. Maybe we should also be sure to check whether external council are really maximizing the working hours in presenting what we really require/requested and not what will make us have to spend more working legal hours. Again i like to formerly put on the table that the huge legal cost this process is incurring is unwarranted considering the advices has necessarily helped us in achieving consensus on various issues. Regards
Again, I don't know of any basis for the expectations you have.
That said, I have encouraged and supported having the co-chairs get the detailed legal bills on a timely basis, so they can manage the lawyers (and not just with regard to spend).
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Greg,
I did not call the Co-Chairs financial managers, before commencement of this process there was a budget allocated and I expected that the Co-Chairs will be occasionally updated on status of that budget which i expect will be one of the factor that determines whether we are still within scope financially and to what extent we can extend this process. If Co-Chairs don't get such updates from staff then I guess that should be fixed.
Regards
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun,
What is the basis of your expectation that the Co-Chairs are the financial managers of the entire process (including the cost of staff support and travel support)? I have never heard before that this is part of our Co-Chairs' job.
Greg
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:16 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 on this and just for clarity, this information should be handy as I expect that the Co-Chairs would have full update of the expenses. It will be rather strange if this is not the case.
Regards
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 13 Oct 2015 07:52, "Stephen Deerhake" <sdeerhake@nic.as> wrote:
Greetings Co-chairs.
Might I ask you to provide the ICANN Community with a summary of CCWG expenses to date, broken out by
(a) External Legal
(b) ICANN Staff support
(c) ICANN funded travel/lodging
For the various meetings (both Adobe/phone and F2F) that have occurred to date?
It doesn't grow on trees, and prior to the new gTLD exercise, the Organization was running "close to the bone". And that windfall, if I understand things correctly, is obligated and thus not really available to support the transition effort.
Best Regards,
Stephen Deerhake
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Speaking in my personal capacity I find some of the accusations underlying this comment to be way off base. Our counsel are working hard, they are working efficiently they are working to try an assist us however they can. Please lets not devolve their work to how many memos per week we are receiving or hours are being worked. As someone who has had the experience of engaging external counsel in my day job, its not cheap if you want good counsel. If we really feel that we don’t need the best legal expertise available to us in order to assist us in this journey then I would suggest we need to do some soul searching. Can we please end the unneeded discussion on this and get back to the work that we have to do before Dublin ends. Im getting tired of it being brought up over and over again. -James From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji Date: Monday 19 October 2015 at 10:51 a.m. To: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Expenses That said, it is my hope that we are paying close attention to the Legal costs that seem to be growing significantly. There absolute need to engage the external council more directly with more certainty/specificity in our requirements. Maybe we should also be sure to check whether external council are really maximizing the working hours in presenting what we really require/requested and not what will make us have to spend more working legal hours. Again i like to formerly put on the table that the huge legal cost this process is incurring is unwarranted considering the advices has necessarily helped us in achieving consensus on various issues.
James, that's the most junior of the ALAC types talking, not worth to spend a second's thought on, they'll change their position as the wind blows. As one having been extremely critical from the beginning and being critical now, I find our counsel competent, hard working and worth every penny. el On 2015-10-19 07:14 , James Gannon wrote:
Speaking in my personal capacity I find some of the accusations underlying this comment to be way off base. Our counsel are working hard, they are working efficiently they are working to try an assist us however they can. Please lets not devolve their work to how many memos per week we are receiving or hours are being worked.
As someone who has had the experience of engaging external counsel in my day job, its not cheap if you want good counsel. If we really feel that we don’t need the best legal expertise available to us in order to assist us in this journey then I would suggest we need to do some soul searching.
Can we please end the unneeded discussion on this and get back to the work that we have to do before Dublin ends. Im getting tired of it being brought up over and over again.
-James
From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji Date: Monday 19 October 2015 at 10:51 a.m. To: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Expenses
That said, it is my hope that we are paying close attention to the Legal costs that seem to be growing significantly. There absolute need to engage the external council more directly with more certainty/specificity in our requirements. Maybe we should also be sure to check whether external council are really maximizing the working hours in presenting what we really require/requested and not what will make us have to spend more working legal hours.
Again i like to formerly put on the table that the huge legal cost this process is incurring is unwarranted considering the advices has necessarily helped us in achieving consensus on various issues. [...]
+1 James. There are very legitimate reasons the CCWG's legal costs are what they are. They are not self-inflicted. Let's keep our eye on the ball. Regards, Keith On Oct 19, 2015, at 11:15 AM, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net<mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net>> wrote: Speaking in my personal capacity I find some of the accusations underlying this comment to be way off base. Our counsel are working hard, they are working efficiently they are working to try an assist us however they can. Please lets not devolve their work to how many memos per week we are receiving or hours are being worked. As someone who has had the experience of engaging external counsel in my day job, its not cheap if you want good counsel. If we really feel that we don’t need the best legal expertise available to us in order to assist us in this journey then I would suggest we need to do some soul searching. Can we please end the unneeded discussion on this and get back to the work that we have to do before Dublin ends. Im getting tired of it being brought up over and over again. -James From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji Date: Monday 19 October 2015 at 10:51 a.m. To: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Expenses That said, it is my hope that we are paying close attention to the Legal costs that seem to be growing significantly. There absolute need to engage the external council more directly with more certainty/specificity in our requirements. Maybe we should also be sure to check whether external council are really maximizing the working hours in presenting what we really require/requested and not what will make us have to spend more working legal hours. Again i like to formerly put on the table that the huge legal cost this process is incurring is unwarranted considering the advices has necessarily helped us in achieving consensus on various issues. _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
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