In the the current Bylaws, Core Value 1 is "Preserving and enhancing the operational stability, reliability, security, and global interoperability of the Internet." Driven at least partly by the NTIA requirement that the transition ensure "The neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS and IANA functions", the proposed new language was "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free operation of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet." The ALAC's comment considered the phrase "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free OPERATION of the DNS...". The DNS is the overall system that includes the functions managed by IANA/ICANN the root servers as well as every other DNS instance in the world. To claim that ICANN has ANY control over the operation of the entire DNS is both over-reaching and implies a level of control that we do not have. The current proposal (now Commitment 2), "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet" was an attempt to used the wording of the NTIA requirement in lieu of "...operation...". Presumably the reference to IANA, although crucial to the NTIA intent, was omitted because under the new proposed regime, this is not strictly an "ICANN" function. I was not part of the decision on exactly what language to put in the present version. People have now reasonably queries what the "technical DNS" is. I propose the following language which removed the word "technical" but addresses the original ALAC concern. "Preserve and enhance its neutral and judgment free administration of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet" By replacing "the" with "its", we are limiting ICANN's responsibility to the aspects of the DNS that it actually has control over, and the questionable word "technical" is removed. Alan
Hi, This change is ok with me, but given the late date I'm just as inclined to make no change at all. I'm sorry I brought the issue up. A -- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.
On Feb 2, 2016, at 21:48, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
In the the current Bylaws, Core Value 1 is
"Preserving and enhancing the operational stability, reliability, security, and global interoperability of the Internet."
Driven at least partly by the NTIA requirement that the transition ensure "The neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS and IANA functions", the proposed new language was
"Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free operation of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet."
The ALAC's comment considered the phrase "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free OPERATION of the DNS...". The DNS is the overall system that includes the functions managed by IANA/ICANN the root servers as well as every other DNS instance in the world. To claim that ICANN has ANY control over the operation of the entire DNS is both over-reaching and implies a level of control that we do not have.
The current proposal (now Commitment 2), "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet" was an attempt to used the wording of the NTIA requirement in lieu of "...operation...".
Presumably the reference to IANA, although crucial to the NTIA intent, was omitted because under the new proposed regime, this is not strictly an "ICANN" function. I was not part of the decision on exactly what language to put in the present version.
People have now reasonably queries what the "technical DNS" is.
I propose the following language which removed the word "technical" but addresses the original ALAC concern.
"Preserve and enhance its neutral and judgment free administration of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet"
By replacing "the" with "its", we are limiting ICANN's responsibility to the aspects of the DNS that it actually has control over, and the questionable word "technical" is removed.
Alan
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Andrew + 1 Kavouss 2016-02-03 13:45 GMT+01:00 Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>:
Hi,
This change is ok with me, but given the late date I'm just as inclined to make no change at all. I'm sorry I brought the issue up.
A
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On Feb 2, 2016, at 21:48, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
In the the current Bylaws, Core Value 1 is
"Preserving and enhancing the operational stability, reliability, security, and global interoperability of the Internet."
Driven at least partly by the NTIA requirement that the transition ensure "The neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS and IANA functions", the proposed new language was
"Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free operation of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet."
The ALAC's comment considered the phrase "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free OPERATION of the DNS...". The DNS is the overall system that includes the functions managed by IANA/ICANN the root servers as well as every other DNS instance in the world. To claim that ICANN has ANY control over the operation of the entire DNS is both over-reaching and implies a level of control that we do not have.
The current proposal (now Commitment 2), "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet" was an attempt to used the wording of the NTIA requirement in lieu of "...operation...".
Presumably the reference to IANA, although crucial to the NTIA intent, was omitted because under the new proposed regime, this is not strictly an "ICANN" function. I was not part of the decision on exactly what language to put in the present version.
People have now reasonably queries what the "technical DNS" is.
I propose the following language which removed the word "technical" but addresses the original ALAC concern.
"Preserve and enhance its neutral and judgment free administration of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet"
By replacing "the" with "its", we are limiting ICANN's responsibility to the aspects of the DNS that it actually has control over, and the questionable word "technical" is removed.
Alan
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I can accept the change or leave it as is. J. Beckwith Burr Neustar, Inc. / Deputy General Counsel & Chief Privacy Officer 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington D.C. 20006 Office: +1.202.533.2932 Mobile: +1.202.352.6367 / neustar.biz<http://www.neustar.biz> From: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 11:17 AM To: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com<mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>> Cc: Accountability Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Judgement-free DNS Andrew + 1 Kavouss 2016-02-03 13:45 GMT+01:00 Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com<mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>>: Hi, This change is ok with me, but given the late date I'm just as inclined to make no change at all. I'm sorry I brought the issue up. A -- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.
On Feb 2, 2016, at 21:48, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote:
In the the current Bylaws, Core Value 1 is
"Preserving and enhancing the operational stability, reliability, security, and global interoperability of the Internet."
Driven at least partly by the NTIA requirement that the transition ensure "The neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS and IANA functions", the proposed new language was
"Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free operation of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet."
The ALAC's comment considered the phrase "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free OPERATION of the DNS...". The DNS is the overall system that includes the functions managed by IANA/ICANN the root servers as well as every other DNS instance in the world. To claim that ICANN has ANY control over the operation of the entire DNS is both over-reaching and implies a level of control that we do not have.
The current proposal (now Commitment 2), "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet" was an attempt to used the wording of the NTIA requirement in lieu of "...operation...".
Presumably the reference to IANA, although crucial to the NTIA intent, was omitted because under the new proposed regime, this is not strictly an "ICANN" function. I was not part of the decision on exactly what language to put in the present version.
People have now reasonably queries what the "technical DNS" is.
I propose the following language which removed the word "technical" but addresses the original ALAC concern.
"Preserve and enhance its neutral and judgment free administration of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet"
By replacing "the" with "its", we are limiting ICANN's responsibility to the aspects of the DNS that it actually has control over, and the questionable word "technical" is removed.
Alan
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Me too. I am sure "technical DNS and IANA" in any case was just Larry saying that the DNS and IANA things that ICANN does are, to the layperson, "technical"... Jordan On 4 February 2016 at 05:24, Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr@neustar.biz> wrote:
I can accept the change or leave it as is.
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From: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 11:17 AM To: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Cc: Accountability Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Judgement-free DNS
Andrew + 1 Kavouss
2016-02-03 13:45 GMT+01:00 Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>:
Hi,
This change is ok with me, but given the late date I'm just as inclined to make no change at all. I'm sorry I brought the issue up.
A
-- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.
On Feb 2, 2016, at 21:48, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
In the the current Bylaws, Core Value 1 is
"Preserving and enhancing the operational stability, reliability, security, and global interoperability of the Internet."
Driven at least partly by the NTIA requirement that the transition ensure "The neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS and IANA functions", the proposed new language was
"Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free operation of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet."
The ALAC's comment considered the phrase "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free OPERATION of the DNS...". The DNS is the overall system that includes the functions managed by IANA/ICANN the root servers as well as every other DNS instance in the world. To claim that ICANN has ANY control over the operation of the entire DNS is both over-reaching and implies a level of control that we do not have.
The current proposal (now Commitment 2), "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet" was an attempt to used the wording of the NTIA requirement in lieu of "...operation...".
Presumably the reference to IANA, although crucial to the NTIA intent, was omitted because under the new proposed regime, this is not strictly an "ICANN" function. I was not part of the decision on exactly what language to put in the present version.
People have now reasonably queries what the "technical DNS" is.
I propose the following language which removed the word "technical" but addresses the original ALAC concern.
"Preserve and enhance its neutral and judgment free administration of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet"
By replacing "the" with "its", we are limiting ICANN's responsibility to the aspects of the DNS that it actually has control over, and the questionable word "technical" is removed.
Alan
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Dear All, The term"Technical" used by US Goverment i " Policically Technical" to Indicate that ITU should not get into this type of business. This was extensively discussed at Various Plenipotentiary Conference of ITU since at least 2002.and take it awy for any detailed involvement of the ITU in the matter Regards Kavouss 2016-02-03 20:15 GMT+01:00 Jordan Carter <jordan@internetnz.net.nz>:
Me too. I am sure "technical DNS and IANA" in any case was just Larry saying that the DNS and IANA things that ICANN does are, to the layperson, "technical"...
Jordan
On 4 February 2016 at 05:24, Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr@neustar.biz> wrote:
I can accept the change or leave it as is.
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From: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 11:17 AM To: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Cc: Accountability Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Judgement-free DNS
Andrew + 1 Kavouss
2016-02-03 13:45 GMT+01:00 Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>:
Hi,
This change is ok with me, but given the late date I'm just as inclined to make no change at all. I'm sorry I brought the issue up.
A
-- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.
On Feb 2, 2016, at 21:48, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
In the the current Bylaws, Core Value 1 is
"Preserving and enhancing the operational stability, reliability, security, and global interoperability of the Internet."
Driven at least partly by the NTIA requirement that the transition ensure "The neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS and IANA functions", the proposed new language was
"Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free operation of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet."
The ALAC's comment considered the phrase "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free OPERATION of the DNS...". The DNS is the overall system that includes the functions managed by IANA/ICANN the root servers as well as every other DNS instance in the world. To claim that ICANN has ANY control over the operation of the entire DNS is both over-reaching and implies a level of control that we do not have.
The current proposal (now Commitment 2), "Preserve and enhance the neutral and judgment free administration of the technical DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet" was an attempt to used the wording of the NTIA requirement in lieu of "...operation...".
Presumably the reference to IANA, although crucial to the NTIA intent, was omitted because under the new proposed regime, this is not strictly an "ICANN" function. I was not part of the decision on exactly what language to put in the present version.
People have now reasonably queries what the "technical DNS" is.
I propose the following language which removed the word "technical" but addresses the original ALAC concern.
"Preserve and enhance its neutral and judgment free administration of the DNS, and the operational stability, reliability, security, global interoperability, resilience, and openness of the DNS and the Internet"
By replacing "the" with "its", we are limiting ICANN's responsibility to the aspects of the DNS that it actually has control over, and the questionable word "technical" is removed.
Alan
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