Re: [CCWG-ACCT] 17 UTC deadline for final edits
I support keeping the current language. Our normal practice is that until there is a new consensus the old consensus stands. Alternatively +1 avri Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Malcolm Hutty <malcolm@linx.net> </div><div>Date:11/13/2015 1:28 PM (GMT-03:00) </div><div>To: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org> </div><div>Cc: acct-staff@icann.org, accountability-cross-community@icann.org </div><div>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] 17 UTC deadline for final edits </div><div> </div> On 13 Nov 2015, at 11:40, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org> wrote: As announced on your call #67, this is to kindly remind you that final edits on the attached draft Formal Update (circulated on 12 November) are needed by 17:00 UTC today. As indicated on the call, no line edits will be taken into account. Co-Chairs are asking for content related comments. Per the note below, any format, font and proofreading issues are being addressed by a professional writer. Thank you, Dear Alice, I just wanted to check you'd received the message copied below and understood it as responsive to this call, Kind Regards, Malcolm On 12/11/2015 23:04, Bernard Turcotte wrote: All, As per Mathieu's email of earlier today please find the draft Proposal Update document which will be discussed at the next CCWG meeting. There has been a major, unacceptable change between the last revision of this document and this one. Concerning the Mission, the previous revision said, on page 30 The CCWG-Accountability recommends clarifying ICANN’s Mission and Core Values to: * Reinforce the scope of ICANN’s organizational activities related to the Domain Name System (DNS) - ICANN is not to regulate services that use the Internet's unique identifiers, or the content that such services carry or provide. - ICANN is to have the ability to enforce agreements with contracted parties (entities that have signed agreements with ICANN in relation to top level domain names) That fairly reflected the decision recommendation from the previous draft, at least at the level of detail that appears in this document. The new revision just released removes those statements, and in their place says merely "The CCWG-Accountability is yet to reach consensus on the proposed language that is intended to address contract enforcement and regulation." (page 21) That is not correct. The existing recommendation from our previous draft Report remains intact until replaced. There has been nothing remotely like a consensus to remove it. Please revert to the previous statement. Based on Greg's most recent e-mail, of just a couple of hours ago, I think there are grounds for optimism that there WILL be a broadly based consensus to replace the previous text with his new suggestion. But if that fails, the fall-back is the existing text, not no text at all. The CCWG's existing recommendation remains until we have consensus to change it. It is essential that we follow proper process here, especially on such a crucial issue. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Hutty | tel: +44 20 7645 3523 Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog London Internet Exchange | http://publicaffairs.linx.net/ London Internet Exchange Ltd Monument Place, 24 Monument Street, London EC3R 8AJ Company Registered in England No. 3137929 Trinity Court, Trinity Street, Peterborough PE1 1DA
I support this on procedural grounds, until we reach consensus on improved text as discussed on last night's call. Keith Sent from my iPhone On Nov 13, 2015, at 2:06 PM, avri doria <avri@ella.com<mailto:avri@ella.com>> wrote: I support keeping the current language. Our normal practice is that until there is a new consensus the old consensus stands. Alternatively +1 avri Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Malcolm Hutty <malcolm@linx.net<mailto:malcolm@linx.net>> Date:11/13/2015 1:28 PM (GMT-03:00) To: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org>> Cc: acct-staff@icann.org<mailto:acct-staff@icann.org>, accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] 17 UTC deadline for final edits On 13 Nov 2015, at 11:40, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org>> wrote: As announced on your call #67, this is to kindly remind you that final edits on the attached draft Formal Update (circulated on 12 November) are needed by 17:00 UTC today. As indicated on the call, no line edits will be taken into account. Co-Chairs are asking for content related comments. Per the note below, any format, font and proofreading issues are being addressed by a professional writer. Thank you, Dear Alice, I just wanted to check you'd received the message copied below and understood it as responsive to this call, Kind Regards, Malcolm On 12/11/2015 23:04, Bernard Turcotte wrote: All, As per Mathieu's email of earlier today please find the draft Proposal Update document which will be discussed at the next CCWG meeting. There has been a major, unacceptable change between the last revision of this document and this one. Concerning the Mission, the previous revision said, on page 30 The CCWG-Accountability recommends clarifying ICANN’s Mission and Core Values to: * Reinforce the scope of ICANN’s organizational activities related to the Domain Name System (DNS) - ICANN is not to regulate services that use the Internet's unique identifiers, or the content that such services carry or provide. - ICANN is to have the ability to enforce agreements with contracted parties (entities that have signed agreements with ICANN in relation to top level domain names) That fairly reflected the decision recommendation from the previous draft, at least at the level of detail that appears in this document. The new revision just released removes those statements, and in their place says merely "The CCWG-Accountability is yet to reach consensus on the proposed language that is intended to address contract enforcement and regulation." (page 21) That is not correct. The existing recommendation from our previous draft Report remains intact until replaced. There has been nothing remotely like a consensus to remove it. Please revert to the previous statement. Based on Greg's most recent e-mail, of just a couple of hours ago, I think there are grounds for optimism that there WILL be a broadly based consensus to replace the previous text with his new suggestion. But if that fails, the fall-back is the existing text, not no text at all. The CCWG's existing recommendation remains until we have consensus to change it. It is essential that we follow proper process here, especially on such a crucial issue. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Hutty | tel: +44 20 7645 3523<tel:+44%2020%207645%203523> Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog London Internet Exchange | http://publicaffairs.linx.net/ London Internet Exchange Ltd Monument Place, 24 Monument Street, London EC3R 8AJ<x-apple-data-detectors://4/1> Company Registered in England No. 3137929<tel:3137929> Trinity Court, Trinity Street, Peterborough PE1 1DA _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
If there is a reasonable chance that something will change, the update needs to say so, even if it includes the words of the earlier document. At 13/11/2015 12:03 PM, avri doria wrote:
I support keeping the current language. Our normal practice is that until there is a new consensus the old consensus stands.
Alternatively +1
avri
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-------- Original message -------- From: Malcolm Hutty <malcolm@linx.net> Date:11/13/2015 1:28 PM (GMT-03:00) To: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org> Cc: acct-staff@icann.org, accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] 17 UTC deadline for final edits
On 13 Nov 2015, at 11:40, Alice Jansen <<mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org>alice.jansen@icann.org> wrote:
As announced on your call #67, this is to kindly remind you that final edits on the attached draft Formal Update (circulated on 12 November) are needed by 17:00 UTC today. As indicated on the call, no line edits will be taken into account. Co-Chairs are asking for content related comments. Per the note below, any format, font and proofreading issues are being addressed by a professional writer. Thank you,
Dear Alice,
I just wanted to check you'd received the message copied below and understood it as responsive to this call,
Kind Regards,
Malcolm
On 12/11/2015 23:04, Bernard Turcotte wrote: All,
As per Mathieu's email of earlier today please find the draft Proposal Update document which will be discussed at the next CCWG meeting.
There has been a major, unacceptable change between the last revision of this document and this one.
Concerning the Mission, the previous revision said, on page 30
The CCWG-Accountability recommends clarifying ICANNâs Mission and Core Values to: * Reinforce the scope of ICANNâs organizational activities related to the Domain Name System (DNS) - ICANN is not to regulate services that use the Internet's unique identifiers, or the content that such services carry or provide. - ICANN is to have the ability to enforce agreements with contracted parties (entities that have signed agreements with ICANN in relation to top level domain names)
That fairly reflected the decision recommendation from the previous draft, at least at the level of detail that appears in this document.
The new revision just released removes those statements, and in their place says merely
"The CCWG-Accountability is yet to reach consensus on the proposed language that is intended to address contract enforcement and regulation." (page 21)
That is not correct. The existing recommendation from our previous draft Report remains intact until replaced. There has been nothing remotely like a consensus to remove it. Please revert to the previous statement.
Based on Greg's most recent e-mail, of just a couple of hours ago, I think there are grounds for optimism that there WILL be a broadly based consensus to replace the previous text with his new suggestion.
But if that fails, the fall-back is the existing text, not no text at all. The CCWG's existing recommendation remains until we have consensus to change it.
It is essential that we follow proper process here, especially on such a crucial issue.
Malcolm. -- Malcolm Hutty | tel: <tel:+44%2020%207645%203523>+44 20 7645 3523 Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog London Internet Exchange | <http://publicaffairs.linx.net/>http://publicaffairs.linx.net/
London Internet Exchange Ltd Monument Place, <x-apple-data-detectors://4/1>24 Monument Street, London EC3R 8AJ
Company Registered in England No. <tel:3137929>3137929 Trinity Court, Trinity Street, Peterborough PE1 1DA
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