Let's be adult people with a certain amount of maturity, more specifically when we are discussing online. It is true that we already know each other physically. Reason more a maximum of tolerance in terms and terms that we use.

We are not terrorist activists but we are supposed to represent a good bang in the user community.

We are not in tow with anyone and still less influenced by inflammatory remarks. We must respect ourselves and this is a sign of basic education.

We have been in jo'burg and the question of individual members has not been questioned.

We have specific points that have necessitated a discussion in the working group.

Freedom of expression is guaranteed but freedom is limited to a certain limit.

Pastor Peters may have his reasons but it is necessary to raise the tone to a level as degrading as it can be. We are in a dynamic that responds to the logic of a systemic system where all the stakeholders have to find common ground.

I urge more lucidity and understanding. When the majority votes, the minority has the right to express itself while accepting the logic of the way of the majority.

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2017-07-17 2:24 GMT+01:00 Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com>:

Information Mauritius. 

The decision of the GA presided over by Aziz and supported by both Tijani and Fatimata was for the ENTIRE recommendations to be revisted by the ROP Workgroup and then brought to the house for votes.  Even when Tijani tried to push in the individual membership as having been concluded it was rejected by the house. They promised to work with the Icann staff for extension.  This Tijani told the GA in the morning of Thursday that it was over. But in the afternoon he tried to push for the individual membership to be adopted.  We opposed it. In fact Baduoine echoed the position of the entire house. 

That was the correct account.  But the question now is why is Aziz pushing for that now and using ALAC as a defence.

We will vote on all items but we must respect our rules and procedures and stop this band wagon support of every and anything pushed forward by an Aziz; Tijani; Bashir or Fatimata. Let us be objective for once and put AFRALO first before self.

The GA resolution cannot be modified or changed except by another GA but the resolutions would have to be respected before any change. 

Thanks

Peters Omoragbon 

On 17 Jul 2017 01:38, "Kris Seeburn" <seeburn.k@gmail.com> wrote:

chair

No objection from isoc mauritius on that matter as I think we had a consensus on that matter and the roles and powers were hereto stated.

So from us no objection. We are in support. However if I am not wrong it is the second motion about votes that was not seen through.

Kris

On 17 Jul 2017, at 00:37, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Aziz

Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.

On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly  on the following grounds 

1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken.

2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA

3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA.

4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap.

5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure?

Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic.  It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals. 

We oppose this motion.

Thank you. 

Pastor Peters Omoragbon 

On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

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Dear Members,

As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.

As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.

For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg:
https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review

Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows:
The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience.
I propose to modify it in this way:
"The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"

I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.

Kindly provide your response within 72hrs

Best regards

Aziz HILALI
AFRALO Chair

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<French>

Chers membres,

D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.

Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.

Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle:
https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review

Le point 7 de la recommandation dit:
La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018.
Je propose de le modifier pour devenir:
«La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».

En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.

Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.

Cordialement

Aziz Hilali

AFRALO Chair

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