Fwd: AFRALO NomCom candidate
Dear AFRALO Colleagues, Reference to AfRALO’s elections and selection of its Nomcom candidate which was sent to ALAC for voting/endorsement sometime ago and for the sake of transparency I am sharing with you the communication I received from Maureen Hilyard, ALAC chair ( below email ) which indicates that ALAC is rejecting AFRALO Nomcom Candidate and has proposed appointing an alternative candidate. Before ALAC has raised this issue, Abdulkarim has indicated to me his willingness to withdraw. The bylaws indicate that ALAC select the candidate with consultation with the RALO, I requested that AfRALO to be given more time to consult and provide a response, but my request was declined due time constraint reason. The issue is not the proposed new candidate but the process itsef, AfRALO could have proposed alternate name(s) or provided feedback which is a consultation instead of ALAC deciding on behalf of the RALO. This is not the first time that ALAC rejects a regional elected candidate, it happend before, though the bylaws gives ALAC this right this process needs to be fixed and clearly defined to avoid any disputes or negative outcomes due to the different expectations specially when the RALO members vote. I hope this process to be reviewed to avoid any unnecessary negative outcomes, maybe the next AfRALO Leadership/ALAC officers can work on this internal process. Thanks Best Regards, Mohamed Please excuse the brevity and/or typos, as this message was sent from my cellphone. Begin forwarded message:
From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> Date: July 2, 2019 at 2:44:10 AM PDT To: Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> Cc: Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>, ALT-Plus <alt-plus@icann.org>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Subject: Re: AFRALO NomCom candidate
Hi Mohamed
I wish we had the luxury of more time. Since the election, the AFRALO nomination has been the focus of many discussions among the ALAC and ALT+. This has resulted in the second nomination being forthcoming.
The main concerns were: a) Lack of experience and knowledge of the requirements and expectations of Leadership of At-Large and the wider ICANN community; b) Lack of adherence to ICANN's Code of conduct and of some core values of At-Large; c) Lack of identification as a member of At-Large as noted in a public comment he made during the DoH/DoT session in Marrakech where he introduced himself as "representing NCUC" with no mention of At-Large
The ALAC Rules of Procedure state: 18.5 ALAC Representatives to the ICANN Nominating Committee, one from each ICANN region, will be selected by the ALAC in consultation with the RALOs.
This will not be the first time that the ALAC has rejected a recommendation by a RALO and made their own selection.
The announcement notifying the ALAC about the vote will go out tomorrow.
Regards Maureen
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:32 PM Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote: Hi Maureen,
I am aware that you have talked with Tijani about AfRALO Nomcom selection with Tijani in Marrakech and I was waiting for your email.
AfRALO Nomcom election result was announced since some time I would expect ALAC to raise any issues earlier when the election results were announced, not very late in the process beside also not indicating the reasons of such position.
Although Hadia is a good candidate, we can’t accept an appointment by ALAC without giving the RALO a chance to propose another candidate, we need to follow AfRALO process in our selection, 80% of AfRALO members have participated the recent elections and selected their appointees.
I will update and consult with the RALO leadership team about your request and update you with our position, expect to get another name in the coming 2 weeks as maximum.
Kind Regards, Mohamed
On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:18 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mohamed
After discussing the NomCom candidate proposed by AFRALO with several of my ALAC members, I regret to inform you that although there will be a formal ALAC vote during the next couple of days on his nomination, informally there was little support for the nomination of Abdulkarim for this position.
I raised this with Tijani when we were in Marrakesh, and asked that the AFRALO leadership team look into another candidate who might be more acceptable.
Because the ALAC is also entitled to propose someone if no other contender is brought to our attention, another recommendation has been made whom I know would get absolute support from the ALAC. Hadia Elminiawi has accepted to take on this role. At the same time she will continue with her EPDP activities, as well as support other CPWG and outreach and engagement activities.
I hope that this recommendation meets with your approval. I know that Hadia would be a great representative from AFRALO as she has been during her term on the ALAC.
Regards Maureen
Thanks Bashir I commend your leadership by getting back to the community on this subject matter. Yes I agree with you ALAC appointment should have come as a recommendation even if we do not have alternative. I will like AfRALO leadership to take a stand on this because I just got announcement for voting cadre to cast their votes without AfRALO candidate either appointed or otherwise allow this to pass but begin now to scout for next year. Or are we opening up fresh procedure on this? And if fresh procedure what are the timelines? Further, like you noted AFRALO needs to do some internal mechanism inline with ALAC rules of procedure by introducing internal 'NomCom' instead of waiting for candidate to be nominated, and go through the electioneering only to be turned down or even go through another selection or voting process. While we wait for ALAC to review it's charter among other procedural guidelines, AfRALO can start its own in-house mechanism to avert the same episode next year. I rest my case for now. Remmy Nweke DigitalSENSE Africa On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 23:57 Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Dear AFRALO Colleagues,
Reference to AfRALO’s elections and selection of its Nomcom candidate which was sent to ALAC for voting/endorsement sometime ago and for the sake of transparency I am sharing with you the communication I received from Maureen Hilyard, ALAC chair ( below email ) which indicates that ALAC is rejecting AFRALO Nomcom Candidate and has proposed appointing an alternative candidate.
Before ALAC has raised this issue, Abdulkarim has indicated to me his willingness to withdraw.
The bylaws indicate that ALAC select the candidate with consultation with the RALO, I requested that AfRALO to be given more time to consult and provide a response, but my request was declined due time constraint reason.
The issue is not the proposed new candidate but the process itsef, AfRALO could have proposed alternate name(s) or provided feedback which is a consultation instead of ALAC deciding on behalf of the RALO.
This is not the first time that ALAC rejects a regional elected candidate, it happend before, though the bylaws gives ALAC this right this process needs to be fixed and clearly defined to avoid any disputes or negative outcomes due to the different expectations specially when the RALO members vote.
I hope this process to be reviewed to avoid any unnecessary negative outcomes, maybe the next AfRALO Leadership/ALAC officers can work on this internal process.
Thanks
*Best Regards,* *Mohamed*
*Please excuse the brevity and/or typos, as this message was sent from my cellphone. *
Begin forwarded message:
*From:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> *Date:* July 2, 2019 at 2:44:10 AM PDT *To:* Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> *Cc:* Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>, ALT-Plus < alt-plus@icann.org>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Subject:* *Re: AFRALO NomCom candidate*
Hi Mohamed
I wish we had the luxury of more time. Since the election, the AFRALO nomination has been the focus of many discussions among the ALAC and ALT+. This has resulted in the second nomination being forthcoming.
The main concerns were: a) Lack of experience and knowledge of the requirements and expectations of Leadership of At-Large and the wider ICANN community; b) Lack of adherence to ICANN's Code of conduct and of some core values of At-Large; c) Lack of identification as a member of At-Large as noted in a public comment he made during the DoH/DoT session in Marrakech where he introduced himself as "representing NCUC" with no mention of At-Large
The ALAC Rules of Procedure state: 18.5 ALAC Representatives to the ICANN Nominating Committee, one from each ICANN region, *will be selected by the ALAC* in consultation with the RALOs.
This will not be the first time that the ALAC has rejected a recommendation by a RALO and made their own selection.
The announcement notifying the ALAC about the vote will go out tomorrow.
Regards Maureen
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:32 PM Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Hi Maureen,
I am aware that you have talked with Tijani about AfRALO Nomcom selection with Tijani in Marrakech and I was waiting for your email.
AfRALO Nomcom election result was announced since some time I would expect ALAC to raise any issues earlier when the election results were announced, not very late in the process beside also not indicating the reasons of such position.
Although Hadia is a good candidate, we can’t accept an appointment by ALAC without giving the RALO a chance to propose another candidate, we need to follow AfRALO process in our selection, 80% of AfRALO members have participated the recent elections and selected their appointees.
I will update and consult with the RALO leadership team about your request and update you with our position, expect to get another name in the coming 2 weeks as maximum.
Kind Regards, Mohamed
On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:18 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mohamed
After discussing the NomCom candidate proposed by AFRALO with several of my ALAC members, I regret to inform you that although there will be a formal ALAC vote during the next couple of days on his nomination, informally there was little support for the nomination of Abdulkarim for this position.
I raised this with Tijani when we were in Marrakesh, and asked that the AFRALO leadership team look into another candidate who might be more acceptable.
Because the ALAC is also entitled to propose someone if no other contender is brought to our attention, another recommendation has been made whom I know would get absolute support from the ALAC. *Hadia Elminiawi *has accepted to take on this role. At the same time she will continue with her EPDP activities, as well as support other CPWG and outreach and engagement activities.
I hope that this recommendation meets with your approval. I know that Hadia would be a great representative from AFRALO as she has been during her term on the ALAC.
Regards Maureen
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+1 @Remmy. "...AFRALO needs to do some internal mechanism inline with ALAC rules of procedure by introducing internal 'NomCom' instead of waiting for candidate to be nominated, and go through the electioneering only to be turned down or even go through another selection or voting process." Agree ! Warm regards Olevie <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...> Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 à 00:43, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :
Thanks Bashir I commend your leadership by getting back to the community on this subject matter.
Yes I agree with you ALAC appointment should have come as a recommendation even if we do not have alternative.
I will like AfRALO leadership to take a stand on this because I just got announcement for voting cadre to cast their votes without AfRALO candidate either appointed or otherwise allow this to pass but begin now to scout for next year.
Or are we opening up fresh procedure on this?
And if fresh procedure what are the timelines?
Further, like you noted AFRALO needs to do some internal mechanism inline with ALAC rules of procedure by introducing internal 'NomCom' instead of waiting for candidate to be nominated, and go through the electioneering only to be turned down or even go through another selection or voting process.
While we wait for ALAC to review it's charter among other procedural guidelines, AfRALO can start its own in-house mechanism to avert the same episode next year.
I rest my case for now. Remmy Nweke DigitalSENSE Africa
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 23:57 Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Dear AFRALO Colleagues,
Reference to AfRALO’s elections and selection of its Nomcom candidate which was sent to ALAC for voting/endorsement sometime ago and for the sake of transparency I am sharing with you the communication I received from Maureen Hilyard, ALAC chair ( below email ) which indicates that ALAC is rejecting AFRALO Nomcom Candidate and has proposed appointing an alternative candidate.
Before ALAC has raised this issue, Abdulkarim has indicated to me his willingness to withdraw.
The bylaws indicate that ALAC select the candidate with consultation with the RALO, I requested that AfRALO to be given more time to consult and provide a response, but my request was declined due time constraint reason.
The issue is not the proposed new candidate but the process itsef, AfRALO could have proposed alternate name(s) or provided feedback which is a consultation instead of ALAC deciding on behalf of the RALO.
This is not the first time that ALAC rejects a regional elected candidate, it happend before, though the bylaws gives ALAC this right this process needs to be fixed and clearly defined to avoid any disputes or negative outcomes due to the different expectations specially when the RALO members vote.
I hope this process to be reviewed to avoid any unnecessary negative outcomes, maybe the next AfRALO Leadership/ALAC officers can work on this internal process.
Thanks
*Best Regards,* *Mohamed*
*Please excuse the brevity and/or typos, as this message was sent from my cellphone. *
Begin forwarded message:
*From:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> *Date:* July 2, 2019 at 2:44:10 AM PDT *To:* Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> *Cc:* Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>, ALT-Plus < alt-plus@icann.org>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Subject:* *Re: AFRALO NomCom candidate*
Hi Mohamed
I wish we had the luxury of more time. Since the election, the AFRALO nomination has been the focus of many discussions among the ALAC and ALT+. This has resulted in the second nomination being forthcoming.
The main concerns were: a) Lack of experience and knowledge of the requirements and expectations of Leadership of At-Large and the wider ICANN community; b) Lack of adherence to ICANN's Code of conduct and of some core values of At-Large; c) Lack of identification as a member of At-Large as noted in a public comment he made during the DoH/DoT session in Marrakech where he introduced himself as "representing NCUC" with no mention of At-Large
The ALAC Rules of Procedure state: 18.5 ALAC Representatives to the ICANN Nominating Committee, one from each ICANN region, *will be selected by the ALAC* in consultation with the RALOs.
This will not be the first time that the ALAC has rejected a recommendation by a RALO and made their own selection.
The announcement notifying the ALAC about the vote will go out tomorrow.
Regards Maureen
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:32 PM Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Hi Maureen,
I am aware that you have talked with Tijani about AfRALO Nomcom selection with Tijani in Marrakech and I was waiting for your email.
AfRALO Nomcom election result was announced since some time I would expect ALAC to raise any issues earlier when the election results were announced, not very late in the process beside also not indicating the reasons of such position.
Although Hadia is a good candidate, we can’t accept an appointment by ALAC without giving the RALO a chance to propose another candidate, we need to follow AfRALO process in our selection, 80% of AfRALO members have participated the recent elections and selected their appointees.
I will update and consult with the RALO leadership team about your request and update you with our position, expect to get another name in the coming 2 weeks as maximum.
Kind Regards, Mohamed
On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:18 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mohamed
After discussing the NomCom candidate proposed by AFRALO with several of my ALAC members, I regret to inform you that although there will be a formal ALAC vote during the next couple of days on his nomination, informally there was little support for the nomination of Abdulkarim for this position.
I raised this with Tijani when we were in Marrakesh, and asked that the AFRALO leadership team look into another candidate who might be more acceptable.
Because the ALAC is also entitled to propose someone if no other contender is brought to our attention, another recommendation has been made whom I know would get absolute support from the ALAC. *Hadia Elminiawi *has accepted to take on this role. At the same time she will continue with her EPDP activities, as well as support other CPWG and outreach and engagement activities.
I hope that this recommendation meets with your approval. I know that Hadia would be a great representative from AFRALO as she has been during her term on the ALAC.
Regards Maureen
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If I can suggest, this has happened twice during my term on ALAC. RALOS should submit a list of three ranked candidates to avoid this problem in the future. On the other hand, I'm not in favor of RALOs directly appointed NomCom representatives. NomCom rep selection is one of our most important tasks and the broad consensus represented by ALAC appointment confers our community's strongest support for NomCom reps. Sent from my Pixel 3XL John Laprise, Ph.D. On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:22 PM Abd-El-Raouf Olévié Kouami < olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:
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Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 à 00:43, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :
Thanks Bashir I commend your leadership by getting back to the community on this subject matter.
Yes I agree with you ALAC appointment should have come as a recommendation even if we do not have alternative.
I will like AfRALO leadership to take a stand on this because I just got announcement for voting cadre to cast their votes without AfRALO candidate either appointed or otherwise allow this to pass but begin now to scout for next year.
Or are we opening up fresh procedure on this?
And if fresh procedure what are the timelines?
Further, like you noted AFRALO needs to do some internal mechanism inline with ALAC rules of procedure by introducing internal 'NomCom' instead of waiting for candidate to be nominated, and go through the electioneering only to be turned down or even go through another selection or voting process.
While we wait for ALAC to review it's charter among other procedural guidelines, AfRALO can start its own in-house mechanism to avert the same episode next year.
I rest my case for now. Remmy Nweke DigitalSENSE Africa
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 23:57 Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Dear AFRALO Colleagues,
Reference to AfRALO’s elections and selection of its Nomcom candidate which was sent to ALAC for voting/endorsement sometime ago and for the sake of transparency I am sharing with you the communication I received from Maureen Hilyard, ALAC chair ( below email ) which indicates that ALAC is rejecting AFRALO Nomcom Candidate and has proposed appointing an alternative candidate.
Before ALAC has raised this issue, Abdulkarim has indicated to me his willingness to withdraw.
The bylaws indicate that ALAC select the candidate with consultation with the RALO, I requested that AfRALO to be given more time to consult and provide a response, but my request was declined due time constraint reason.
The issue is not the proposed new candidate but the process itsef, AfRALO could have proposed alternate name(s) or provided feedback which is a consultation instead of ALAC deciding on behalf of the RALO.
This is not the first time that ALAC rejects a regional elected candidate, it happend before, though the bylaws gives ALAC this right this process needs to be fixed and clearly defined to avoid any disputes or negative outcomes due to the different expectations specially when the RALO members vote.
I hope this process to be reviewed to avoid any unnecessary negative outcomes, maybe the next AfRALO Leadership/ALAC officers can work on this internal process.
Thanks
*Best Regards,* *Mohamed*
*Please excuse the brevity and/or typos, as this message was sent from my cellphone. *
Begin forwarded message:
*From:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> *Date:* July 2, 2019 at 2:44:10 AM PDT *To:* Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> *Cc:* Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>, ALT-Plus < alt-plus@icann.org>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Subject:* *Re: AFRALO NomCom candidate*
Hi Mohamed
I wish we had the luxury of more time. Since the election, the AFRALO nomination has been the focus of many discussions among the ALAC and ALT+. This has resulted in the second nomination being forthcoming.
The main concerns were: a) Lack of experience and knowledge of the requirements and expectations of Leadership of At-Large and the wider ICANN community; b) Lack of adherence to ICANN's Code of conduct and of some core values of At-Large; c) Lack of identification as a member of At-Large as noted in a public comment he made during the DoH/DoT session in Marrakech where he introduced himself as "representing NCUC" with no mention of At-Large
The ALAC Rules of Procedure state: 18.5 ALAC Representatives to the ICANN Nominating Committee, one from each ICANN region, *will be selected by the ALAC* in consultation with the RALOs.
This will not be the first time that the ALAC has rejected a recommendation by a RALO and made their own selection.
The announcement notifying the ALAC about the vote will go out tomorrow.
Regards Maureen
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:32 PM Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Hi Maureen,
I am aware that you have talked with Tijani about AfRALO Nomcom selection with Tijani in Marrakech and I was waiting for your email.
AfRALO Nomcom election result was announced since some time I would expect ALAC to raise any issues earlier when the election results were announced, not very late in the process beside also not indicating the reasons of such position.
Although Hadia is a good candidate, we can’t accept an appointment by ALAC without giving the RALO a chance to propose another candidate, we need to follow AfRALO process in our selection, 80% of AfRALO members have participated the recent elections and selected their appointees.
I will update and consult with the RALO leadership team about your request and update you with our position, expect to get another name in the coming 2 weeks as maximum.
Kind Regards, Mohamed
On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:18 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mohamed
After discussing the NomCom candidate proposed by AFRALO with several of my ALAC members, I regret to inform you that although there will be a formal ALAC vote during the next couple of days on his nomination, informally there was little support for the nomination of Abdulkarim for this position.
I raised this with Tijani when we were in Marrakesh, and asked that the AFRALO leadership team look into another candidate who might be more acceptable.
Because the ALAC is also entitled to propose someone if no other contender is brought to our attention, another recommendation has been made whom I know would get absolute support from the ALAC. *Hadia Elminiawi *has accepted to take on this role. At the same time she will continue with her EPDP activities, as well as support other CPWG and outreach and engagement activities.
I hope that this recommendation meets with your approval. I know that Hadia would be a great representative from AFRALO as she has been during her term on the ALAC.
Regards Maureen
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Hi all ! Good point John ! I agree with you too. So, it'll be conform with the MS bottom-up process. Wam regards Olevie <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...> Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 à 03:00, John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com> a écrit :
If I can suggest, this has happened twice during my term on ALAC. RALOS should submit a list of three ranked candidates to avoid this problem in the future. On the other hand, I'm not in favor of RALOs directly appointed NomCom representatives. NomCom rep selection is one of our most important tasks and the broad consensus represented by ALAC appointment confers our community's strongest support for NomCom reps.
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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:22 PM Abd-El-Raouf Olévié Kouami < olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 @Remmy. "...AFRALO needs to do some internal mechanism inline with ALAC rules of procedure by introducing internal 'NomCom' instead of waiting for candidate to be nominated, and go through the electioneering only to be turned down or even go through another selection or voting process." Agree ! Warm regards Olevie
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Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 à 00:43, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :
Thanks Bashir I commend your leadership by getting back to the community on this subject matter.
Yes I agree with you ALAC appointment should have come as a recommendation even if we do not have alternative.
I will like AfRALO leadership to take a stand on this because I just got announcement for voting cadre to cast their votes without AfRALO candidate either appointed or otherwise allow this to pass but begin now to scout for next year.
Or are we opening up fresh procedure on this?
And if fresh procedure what are the timelines?
Further, like you noted AFRALO needs to do some internal mechanism inline with ALAC rules of procedure by introducing internal 'NomCom' instead of waiting for candidate to be nominated, and go through the electioneering only to be turned down or even go through another selection or voting process.
While we wait for ALAC to review it's charter among other procedural guidelines, AfRALO can start its own in-house mechanism to avert the same episode next year.
I rest my case for now. Remmy Nweke DigitalSENSE Africa
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 23:57 Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Dear AFRALO Colleagues,
Reference to AfRALO’s elections and selection of its Nomcom candidate which was sent to ALAC for voting/endorsement sometime ago and for the sake of transparency I am sharing with you the communication I received from Maureen Hilyard, ALAC chair ( below email ) which indicates that ALAC is rejecting AFRALO Nomcom Candidate and has proposed appointing an alternative candidate.
Before ALAC has raised this issue, Abdulkarim has indicated to me his willingness to withdraw.
The bylaws indicate that ALAC select the candidate with consultation with the RALO, I requested that AfRALO to be given more time to consult and provide a response, but my request was declined due time constraint reason.
The issue is not the proposed new candidate but the process itsef, AfRALO could have proposed alternate name(s) or provided feedback which is a consultation instead of ALAC deciding on behalf of the RALO.
This is not the first time that ALAC rejects a regional elected candidate, it happend before, though the bylaws gives ALAC this right this process needs to be fixed and clearly defined to avoid any disputes or negative outcomes due to the different expectations specially when the RALO members vote.
I hope this process to be reviewed to avoid any unnecessary negative outcomes, maybe the next AfRALO Leadership/ALAC officers can work on this internal process.
Thanks
*Best Regards,* *Mohamed*
*Please excuse the brevity and/or typos, as this message was sent from my cellphone. *
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*From:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> *Date:* July 2, 2019 at 2:44:10 AM PDT *To:* Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> *Cc:* Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>, ALT-Plus < alt-plus@icann.org>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Subject:* *Re: AFRALO NomCom candidate*
Hi Mohamed
I wish we had the luxury of more time. Since the election, the AFRALO nomination has been the focus of many discussions among the ALAC and ALT+. This has resulted in the second nomination being forthcoming.
The main concerns were: a) Lack of experience and knowledge of the requirements and expectations of Leadership of At-Large and the wider ICANN community; b) Lack of adherence to ICANN's Code of conduct and of some core values of At-Large; c) Lack of identification as a member of At-Large as noted in a public comment he made during the DoH/DoT session in Marrakech where he introduced himself as "representing NCUC" with no mention of At-Large
The ALAC Rules of Procedure state: 18.5 ALAC Representatives to the ICANN Nominating Committee, one from each ICANN region, *will be selected by the ALAC* in consultation with the RALOs.
This will not be the first time that the ALAC has rejected a recommendation by a RALO and made their own selection.
The announcement notifying the ALAC about the vote will go out tomorrow.
Regards Maureen
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:32 PM Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Hi Maureen,
I am aware that you have talked with Tijani about AfRALO Nomcom selection with Tijani in Marrakech and I was waiting for your email.
AfRALO Nomcom election result was announced since some time I would expect ALAC to raise any issues earlier when the election results were announced, not very late in the process beside also not indicating the reasons of such position.
Although Hadia is a good candidate, we can’t accept an appointment by ALAC without giving the RALO a chance to propose another candidate, we need to follow AfRALO process in our selection, 80% of AfRALO members have participated the recent elections and selected their appointees.
I will update and consult with the RALO leadership team about your request and update you with our position, expect to get another name in the coming 2 weeks as maximum.
Kind Regards, Mohamed
On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:18 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mohamed
After discussing the NomCom candidate proposed by AFRALO with several of my ALAC members, I regret to inform you that although there will be a formal ALAC vote during the next couple of days on his nomination, informally there was little support for the nomination of Abdulkarim for this position.
I raised this with Tijani when we were in Marrakesh, and asked that the AFRALO leadership team look into another candidate who might be more acceptable.
Because the ALAC is also entitled to propose someone if no other contender is brought to our attention, another recommendation has been made whom I know would get absolute support from the ALAC. *Hadia Elminiawi *has accepted to take on this role. At the same time she will continue with her EPDP activities, as well as support other CPWG and outreach and engagement activities.
I hope that this recommendation meets with your approval. I know that Hadia would be a great representative from AFRALO as she has been during her term on the ALAC.
Regards Maureen
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Good suggestion John, I support any proposal which makes the process clear and transparent. Best Regards, Mohamed Please excuse the brevity and/or typos, as this message was sent from my cellphone.
On Jul 3, 2019, at 8:00 PM, John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com> wrote:
If I can suggest, this has happened twice during my term on ALAC. RALOS should submit a list of three ranked candidates to avoid this problem in the future. On the other hand, I'm not in favor of RALOs directly appointed NomCom representatives. NomCom rep selection is one of our most important tasks and the broad consensus represented by ALAC appointment confers our community's strongest support for NomCom reps.
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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:22 PM Abd-El-Raouf Olévié Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote: +1 @Remmy. "...AFRALO needs to do some internal mechanism inline with ALAC rules of procedure by introducing internal 'NomCom' instead of waiting for candidate to be nominated, and go through the electioneering only to be turned down or even go through another selection or voting process." Agree ! Warm regards Olevie
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Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 à 00:43, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit : Thanks Bashir I commend your leadership by getting back to the community on this subject matter.
Yes I agree with you ALAC appointment should have come as a recommendation even if we do not have alternative.
I will like AfRALO leadership to take a stand on this because I just got announcement for voting cadre to cast their votes without AfRALO candidate either appointed or otherwise allow this to pass but begin now to scout for next year.
Or are we opening up fresh procedure on this?
And if fresh procedure what are the timelines?
Further, like you noted AFRALO needs to do some internal mechanism inline with ALAC rules of procedure by introducing internal 'NomCom' instead of waiting for candidate to be nominated, and go through the electioneering only to be turned down or even go through another selection or voting process.
While we wait for ALAC to review it's charter among other procedural guidelines, AfRALO can start its own in-house mechanism to avert the same episode next year.
I rest my case for now. Remmy Nweke DigitalSENSE Africa
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 23:57 Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote: Dear AFRALO Colleagues,
Reference to AfRALO’s elections and selection of its Nomcom candidate which was sent to ALAC for voting/endorsement sometime ago and for the sake of transparency I am sharing with you the communication I received from Maureen Hilyard, ALAC chair ( below email ) which indicates that ALAC is rejecting AFRALO Nomcom Candidate and has proposed appointing an alternative candidate.
Before ALAC has raised this issue, Abdulkarim has indicated to me his willingness to withdraw.
The bylaws indicate that ALAC select the candidate with consultation with the RALO, I requested that AfRALO to be given more time to consult and provide a response, but my request was declined due time constraint reason.
The issue is not the proposed new candidate but the process itsef, AfRALO could have proposed alternate name(s) or provided feedback which is a consultation instead of ALAC deciding on behalf of the RALO.
This is not the first time that ALAC rejects a regional elected candidate, it happend before, though the bylaws gives ALAC this right this process needs to be fixed and clearly defined to avoid any disputes or negative outcomes due to the different expectations specially when the RALO members vote.
I hope this process to be reviewed to avoid any unnecessary negative outcomes, maybe the next AfRALO Leadership/ALAC officers can work on this internal process.
Thanks
Best Regards, Mohamed
Please excuse the brevity and/or typos, as this message was sent from my cellphone.
Begin forwarded message:
From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> Date: July 2, 2019 at 2:44:10 AM PDT To: Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> Cc: Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>, ALT-Plus <alt-plus@icann.org>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Subject: Re: AFRALO NomCom candidate
Hi Mohamed
I wish we had the luxury of more time. Since the election, the AFRALO nomination has been the focus of many discussions among the ALAC and ALT+. This has resulted in the second nomination being forthcoming.
The main concerns were: a) Lack of experience and knowledge of the requirements and expectations of Leadership of At-Large and the wider ICANN community; b) Lack of adherence to ICANN's Code of conduct and of some core values of At-Large; c) Lack of identification as a member of At-Large as noted in a public comment he made during the DoH/DoT session in Marrakech where he introduced himself as "representing NCUC" with no mention of At-Large
The ALAC Rules of Procedure state: 18.5 ALAC Representatives to the ICANN Nominating Committee, one from each ICANN region, will be selected by the ALAC in consultation with the RALOs.
This will not be the first time that the ALAC has rejected a recommendation by a RALO and made their own selection.
The announcement notifying the ALAC about the vote will go out tomorrow.
Regards Maureen
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:32 PM Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote: Hi Maureen,
I am aware that you have talked with Tijani about AfRALO Nomcom selection with Tijani in Marrakech and I was waiting for your email.
AfRALO Nomcom election result was announced since some time I would expect ALAC to raise any issues earlier when the election results were announced, not very late in the process beside also not indicating the reasons of such position.
Although Hadia is a good candidate, we can’t accept an appointment by ALAC without giving the RALO a chance to propose another candidate, we need to follow AfRALO process in our selection, 80% of AfRALO members have participated the recent elections and selected their appointees.
I will update and consult with the RALO leadership team about your request and update you with our position, expect to get another name in the coming 2 weeks as maximum.
Kind Regards, Mohamed
> On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:18 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Mohamed > > After discussing the NomCom candidate proposed by AFRALO with several of my ALAC members, I regret to inform you that although there will be a formal ALAC vote during the next couple of days on his nomination, informally there was little support for the nomination of Abdulkarim for this position. > > I raised this with Tijani when we were in Marrakesh, and asked that the AFRALO leadership team look into another candidate who might be more acceptable. > > Because the ALAC is also entitled to propose someone if no other contender is brought to our attention, another recommendation has been made whom I know would get absolute support from the ALAC. Hadia Elminiawi has accepted to take on this role. At the same time she will continue with her EPDP activities, as well as support other CPWG and outreach and engagement activities. > > I hope that this recommendation meets with your approval. I know that Hadia would be a great representative from AFRALO as she has been during her term on the ALAC. > > Regards > Maureen
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Dear AFRALO members, please find below my reply to Maureen e-mail Best -------------------------- On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 11:19 AM Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: Dear all, I strongly disagree with Maureen, not because I want Abdulkarim to be our delegate to NomCom or because Hadia is not a good choice, but because the whole issue is built on wrong process. I disagree because the result of the elections that gave Abdulkarim the elected AFRALO delegate to the NomCom was published on 31 May (more than 20 days before Marrakech), and AFRALO has never been notified by the ALAC decision to reject Abdulkarim before today by Maureen’s mail. I disagree because I’m member of ALAC, member of ALT, member of ALT+ and ALAC Vice Chair, and I am not aware of ALAC deciding to reject AFRALO proposed name or even discussing the issue. For your information, as per our rules, ALAC is the sole decision making body. I don’t disagree with ALAC rejecting Abdulkarim whatever the reason is; this is its right I don’t disagree with ALAC proposing another name; it’s its right to do so in consultation with AFRALO, not in secret discussion excluding AFRLO ALAC members and AFRALO leaders. --------------------------- Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> a écrit :
Dear AFRALO Colleagues, Reference to AfRALO’s elections and selection of its Nomcom candidate which was sent to ALAC for voting/endorsement sometime ago and for the sake of transparency I am sharing with you the communication I received from Maureen Hilyard, ALAC chair ( below email ) which indicates that ALAC is rejecting AFRALO Nomcom Candidate and has proposed appointing an alternative candidate. Before ALAC has raised this issue, Abdulkarim has indicated to me his willingness to withdraw. The bylaws indicate that ALAC select the candidate with consultation with the RALO, I requested that AfRALO to be given more time to consult and provide a response, but my request was declined due time constraint reason. The issue is not the proposed new candidate but the process itsef, AfRALO could have proposed alternate name(s) or provided feedback which is a consultation instead of ALAC deciding on behalf of the RALO. This is not the first time that ALAC rejects a regional elected candidate, it happend before, though the bylaws gives ALAC this right this process needs to be fixed and clearly defined to avoid any disputes or negative outcomes due to the different expectations specially when the RALO members vote. I hope this process to be reviewed to avoid any unnecessary negative outcomes, maybe the next AfRALO Leadership/ALAC officers can work on this internal process. Thanks
/Best Regards,/ /Mohamed/ /Please excuse the brevity and/or typos, as this message was sent from my cellphone. /
Begin forwarded message:
FROM: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> DATE: July 2, 2019 at 2:44:10 AM PDT TO: Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> CC: Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>, ALT-Plus <alt-plus@icann.org>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> SUBJECT: RE: AFRALO NOMCOM CANDIDATE
Hi Mohamed I wish we had the luxury of more time. Since the election, the AFRALO nomination has been the focus of many discussions among the ALAC and ALT+. This has resulted in the second nomination being forthcoming. The main concerns were: a) Lack of experience and knowledge of the requirements and expectations of Leadership of At-Large and the wider ICANN community; b) Lack of adherence to ICANN's Code of conduct and of some core values of At-Large; c) Lack of identification as a member of At-Large as noted in a public comment he made during the DoH/DoT session in Marrakech where he introduced himself as "representing NCUC" with no mention of At-Large The ALAC Rules of Procedure state: 18.5 ALAC Representatives to the ICANN Nominating Committee, one from each ICANN region, _will be selected by the ALAC_ in consultation with the RALOs. This will not be the first time that the ALAC has rejected a recommendation by a RALO and made their own selection. The announcement notifying the ALAC about the vote will go out tomorrow. Regards Maureen
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:32 PM Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Hi Maureen, I am aware that you have talked with Tijani about AfRALO Nomcom selection with Tijani in Marrakech and I was waiting for your email. AfRALO Nomcom election result was announced since some time I would expect ALAC to raise any issues earlier when the election results were announced, not very late in the process beside also not indicating the reasons of such position. Although Hadia is a good candidate, we can’t accept an appointment by ALAC without giving the RALO a chance to propose another candidate, we need to follow AfRALO process in our selection, 80% of AfRALO members have participated the recent elections and selected their appointees. I will update and consult with the RALO leadership team about your request and update you with our position, expect to get another name in the coming 2 weeks as maximum.
Kind Regards, Mohamed
On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:18 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mohamed After discussing the NomCom candidate proposed by AFRALO with several of my ALAC members, I regret to inform you that although there will be a formal ALAC vote during the next couple of days on his nomination, informally there was little support for the nomination of Abdulkarim for this position. I raised this with Tijani when we were in Marrakesh, and asked that the AFRALO leadership team look into another candidate who might be more acceptable. Because the ALAC is also entitled to propose someone if no other contender is brought to our attention, another recommendation has been made whom I know would get absolute support from the ALAC. _Hadia Elminiawi _has accepted to take on this role. At the same time she will continue with her EPDP activities, as well as support other CPWG and outreach and engagement activities. I hope that this recommendation meets with your approval. I know that Hadia would be a great representative from AFRALO as she has been during her term on the ALAC. Regards Maureen -- Tijani BENJEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Telephone: +216 52 385 114
Dear Tijani, I had the impression that the ALAC put on Agenda the approval or rejection of any NomCom delegate from the RALO and a decision is reached after thorough discussions and after any vote if required. From your email below, it looks that this is not the case. As expressed by our fellow members on this list, it is high time that a process is put in place which is together of being transparent has the element of accountability. Thanks and kind regards Dave Kissoondoyal Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 4, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:
Dear AFRALO members, please find below my reply to Maureen e-mail Best
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 11:19 AM Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:
Dear all,
I strongly disagree with Maureen, not because I want Abdulkarim to be our delegate to NomCom or because Hadia is not a good choice, but because the whole issue is built on wrong process.
I disagree because the result of the elections that gave Abdulkarim the elected AFRALO delegate to the NomCom was published on 31 May (more than 20 days before Marrakech), and AFRALO has never been notified by the ALAC decision to reject Abdulkarim before today by Maureen’s mail.
I disagree because I’m member of ALAC, member of ALT, member of ALT+ and ALAC Vice Chair, and I am not aware of ALAC deciding to reject AFRALO proposed name or even discussing the issue. For your information, as per our rules, ALAC is the sole decision making body.
I don’t disagree with ALAC rejecting Abdulkarim whatever the reason is; this is its right I don’t disagree with ALAC proposing another name; it’s its right to do so in consultation with AFRALO, not in secret discussion excluding AFRLO ALAC members and AFRALO leaders.
--------------------------- Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> a écrit :
Dear AFRALO Colleagues,
Reference to AfRALO’s elections and selection of its Nomcom candidate which was sent to ALAC for voting/endorsement sometime ago and for the sake of transparency I am sharing with you the communication I received from Maureen Hilyard, ALAC chair ( below email ) which indicates that ALAC is rejecting AFRALO Nomcom Candidate and has proposed appointing an alternative candidate.
Before ALAC has raised this issue, Abdulkarim has indicated to me his willingness to withdraw.
The bylaws indicate that ALAC select the candidate with consultation with the RALO, I requested that AfRALO to be given more time to consult and provide a response, but my request was declined due time constraint reason.
The issue is not the proposed new candidate but the process itsef, AfRALO could have proposed alternate name(s) or provided feedback which is a consultation instead of ALAC deciding on behalf of the RALO.
This is not the first time that ALAC rejects a regional elected candidate, it happend before, though the bylaws gives ALAC this right this process needs to be fixed and clearly defined to avoid any disputes or negative outcomes due to the different expectations specially when the RALO members vote.
I hope this process to be reviewed to avoid any unnecessary negative outcomes, maybe the next AfRALO Leadership/ALAC officers can work on this internal process.
Thanks
Best Regards, Mohamed
Please excuse the brevity and/or typos, as this message was sent from my cellphone.
Begin forwarded message:
From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> Date: July 2, 2019 at 2:44:10 AM PDT To: Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> Cc: Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>, ALT-Plus <alt-plus@icann.org>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Subject: Re: AFRALO NomCom candidate
Hi Mohamed
I wish we had the luxury of more time. Since the election, the AFRALO nomination has been the focus of many discussions among the ALAC and ALT+. This has resulted in the second nomination being forthcoming.
The main concerns were: a) Lack of experience and knowledge of the requirements and expectations of Leadership of At-Large and the wider ICANN community; b) Lack of adherence to ICANN's Code of conduct and of some core values of At-Large; c) Lack of identification as a member of At-Large as noted in a public comment he made during the DoH/DoT session in Marrakech where he introduced himself as "representing NCUC" with no mention of At-Large
The ALAC Rules of Procedure state: 18.5 ALAC Representatives to the ICANN Nominating Committee, one from each ICANN region, will be selected by the ALAC in consultation with the RALOs.
This will not be the first time that the ALAC has rejected a recommendation by a RALO and made their own selection.
The announcement notifying the ALAC about the vote will go out tomorrow.
Regards Maureen
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:32 PM Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote: Hi Maureen,
I am aware that you have talked with Tijani about AfRALO Nomcom selection with Tijani in Marrakech and I was waiting for your email.
AfRALO Nomcom election result was announced since some time I would expect ALAC to raise any issues earlier when the election results were announced, not very late in the process beside also not indicating the reasons of such position.
Although Hadia is a good candidate, we can’t accept an appointment by ALAC without giving the RALO a chance to propose another candidate, we need to follow AfRALO process in our selection, 80% of AfRALO members have participated the recent elections and selected their appointees.
I will update and consult with the RALO leadership team about your request and update you with our position, expect to get another name in the coming 2 weeks as maximum.
Kind Regards, Mohamed
On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:18 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mohamed
After discussing the NomCom candidate proposed by AFRALO with several of my ALAC members, I regret to inform you that although there will be a formal ALAC vote during the next couple of days on his nomination, informally there was little support for the nomination of Abdulkarim for this position.
I raised this with Tijani when we were in Marrakesh, and asked that the AFRALO leadership team look into another candidate who might be more acceptable.
Because the ALAC is also entitled to propose someone if no other contender is brought to our attention, another recommendation has been made whom I know would get absolute support from the ALAC. Hadia Elminiawi has accepted to take on this role. At the same time she will continue with her EPDP activities, as well as support other CPWG and outreach and engagement activities.
I hope that this recommendation meets with your approval. I know that Hadia would be a great representative from AFRALO as she has been during her term on the ALAC.
Regards Maureen
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Thanks Tijani for the update on your response, it raises a question though as to how the decision was reached at considering your point that suggests you being part of the ALAC did not see any communication about this decision. Maybe we will wait for more clarification from ALAC on when and where this decision was discussed and reached On the other hand I do agree with suggestions that we need our own internal procedure to avoid such issues in future. Thanks Bram Sent from my iPhone On 4 Jul 2019, at 7:06 AM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn<mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>> wrote: Dear AFRALO members, please find below my reply to Maureen e-mail Best -------------------------- On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 11:19 AM Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn<mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>> wrote: Dear all, I strongly disagree with Maureen, not because I want Abdulkarim to be our delegate to NomCom or because Hadia is not a good choice, but because the whole issue is built on wrong process. I disagree because the result of the elections that gave Abdulkarim the elected AFRALO delegate to the NomCom was published on 31 May (more than 20 days before Marrakech), and AFRALO has never been notified by the ALAC decision to reject Abdulkarim before today by Maureen’s mail. I disagree because I’m member of ALAC, member of ALT, member of ALT+ and ALAC Vice Chair, and I am not aware of ALAC deciding to reject AFRALO proposed name or even discussing the issue. For your information, as per our rules, ALAC is the sole decision making body. I don’t disagree with ALAC rejecting Abdulkarim whatever the reason is; this is its right I don’t disagree with ALAC proposing another name; it’s its right to do so in consultation with AFRALO, not in secret discussion excluding AFRLO ALAC members and AFRALO leaders. --------------------------- Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net<mailto:mbashir@mbash.net>> a écrit : Dear AFRALO Colleagues, Reference to AfRALO’s elections and selection of its Nomcom candidate which was sent to ALAC for voting/endorsement sometime ago and for the sake of transparency I am sharing with you the communication I received from Maureen Hilyard, ALAC chair ( below email ) which indicates that ALAC is rejecting AFRALO Nomcom Candidate and has proposed appointing an alternative candidate. Before ALAC has raised this issue, Abdulkarim has indicated to me his willingness to withdraw. The bylaws indicate that ALAC select the candidate with consultation with the RALO, I requested that AfRALO to be given more time to consult and provide a response, but my request was declined due time constraint reason. The issue is not the proposed new candidate but the process itsef, AfRALO could have proposed alternate name(s) or provided feedback which is a consultation instead of ALAC deciding on behalf of the RALO. This is not the first time that ALAC rejects a regional elected candidate, it happend before, though the bylaws gives ALAC this right this process needs to be fixed and clearly defined to avoid any disputes or negative outcomes due to the different expectations specially when the RALO members vote. I hope this process to be reviewed to avoid any unnecessary negative outcomes, maybe the next AfRALO Leadership/ALAC officers can work on this internal process. Thanks Best Regards, Mohamed Please excuse the brevity and/or typos, as this message was sent from my cellphone. Begin forwarded message: From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> Date: July 2, 2019 at 2:44:10 AM PDT To: Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net<mailto:mbashir@mbash.net>> Cc: Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn<mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>>, ALT-Plus <alt-plus@icann.org<mailto:alt-plus@icann.org>>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> Subject: Re: AFRALO NomCom candidate Hi Mohamed I wish we had the luxury of more time. Since the election, the AFRALO nomination has been the focus of many discussions among the ALAC and ALT+. This has resulted in the second nomination being forthcoming. The main concerns were: a) Lack of experience and knowledge of the requirements and expectations of Leadership of At-Large and the wider ICANN community; b) Lack of adherence to ICANN's Code of conduct and of some core values of At-Large; c) Lack of identification as a member of At-Large as noted in a public comment he made during the DoH/DoT session in Marrakech where he introduced himself as "representing NCUC" with no mention of At-Large The ALAC Rules of Procedure state: 18.5 ALAC Representatives to the ICANN Nominating Committee, one from each ICANN region, will be selected by the ALAC in consultation with the RALOs. This will not be the first time that the ALAC has rejected a recommendation by a RALO and made their own selection. The announcement notifying the ALAC about the vote will go out tomorrow. Regards Maureen On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:32 PM Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net<mailto:mbashir@mbash.net>> wrote: Hi Maureen, I am aware that you have talked with Tijani about AfRALO Nomcom selection with Tijani in Marrakech and I was waiting for your email. AfRALO Nomcom election result was announced since some time I would expect ALAC to raise any issues earlier when the election results were announced, not very late in the process beside also not indicating the reasons of such position. Although Hadia is a good candidate, we can’t accept an appointment by ALAC without giving the RALO a chance to propose another candidate, we need to follow AfRALO process in our selection, 80% of AfRALO members have participated the recent elections and selected their appointees. I will update and consult with the RALO leadership team about your request and update you with our position, expect to get another name in the coming 2 weeks as maximum. Kind Regards, Mohamed On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:18 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Mohamed After discussing the NomCom candidate proposed by AFRALO with several of my ALAC members, I regret to inform you that although there will be a formal ALAC vote during the next couple of days on his nomination, informally there was little support for the nomination of Abdulkarim for this position. I raised this with Tijani when we were in Marrakesh, and asked that the AFRALO leadership team look into another candidate who might be more acceptable. Because the ALAC is also entitled to propose someone if no other contender is brought to our attention, another recommendation has been made whom I know would get absolute support from the ALAC. Hadia Elminiawi has accepted to take on this role. At the same time she will continue with her EPDP activities, as well as support other CPWG and outreach and engagement activities. I hope that this recommendation meets with your approval. I know that Hadia would be a great representative from AFRALO as she has been during her term on the ALAC. 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Hello Mohamed, The Afralo delegate to NomCom contestants were 3 in number. I think the option is to give the chance to the remaining 2 to be vetted by ALAC and see if any is found worthy enough. That’s my proposal. Raymond Mamattah Accra, Ghana On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 10:57 pm, Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Dear AFRALO Colleagues,
Reference to AfRALO’s elections and selection of its Nomcom candidate which was sent to ALAC for voting/endorsement sometime ago and for the sake of transparency I am sharing with you the communication I received from Maureen Hilyard, ALAC chair ( below email ) which indicates that ALAC is rejecting AFRALO Nomcom Candidate and has proposed appointing an alternative candidate.
Before ALAC has raised this issue, Abdulkarim has indicated to me his willingness to withdraw.
The bylaws indicate that ALAC select the candidate with consultation with the RALO, I requested that AfRALO to be given more time to consult and provide a response, but my request was declined due time constraint reason.
The issue is not the proposed new candidate but the process itsef, AfRALO could have proposed alternate name(s) or provided feedback which is a consultation instead of ALAC deciding on behalf of the RALO.
This is not the first time that ALAC rejects a regional elected candidate, it happend before, though the bylaws gives ALAC this right this process needs to be fixed and clearly defined to avoid any disputes or negative outcomes due to the different expectations specially when the RALO members vote.
I hope this process to be reviewed to avoid any unnecessary negative outcomes, maybe the next AfRALO Leadership/ALAC officers can work on this internal process.
Thanks
*Best Regards,* *Mohamed*
*Please excuse the brevity and/or typos, as this message was sent from my cellphone. *
Begin forwarded message:
*From:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> *Date:* July 2, 2019 at 2:44:10 AM PDT *To:* Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> *Cc:* Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>, ALT-Plus < alt-plus@icann.org>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Subject:* *Re: AFRALO NomCom candidate*
Hi Mohamed
I wish we had the luxury of more time. Since the election, the AFRALO nomination has been the focus of many discussions among the ALAC and ALT+. This has resulted in the second nomination being forthcoming.
The main concerns were: a) Lack of experience and knowledge of the requirements and expectations of Leadership of At-Large and the wider ICANN community; b) Lack of adherence to ICANN's Code of conduct and of some core values of At-Large; c) Lack of identification as a member of At-Large as noted in a public comment he made during the DoH/DoT session in Marrakech where he introduced himself as "representing NCUC" with no mention of At-Large
The ALAC Rules of Procedure state: 18.5 ALAC Representatives to the ICANN Nominating Committee, one from each ICANN region, *will be selected by the ALAC* in consultation with the RALOs.
This will not be the first time that the ALAC has rejected a recommendation by a RALO and made their own selection.
The announcement notifying the ALAC about the vote will go out tomorrow.
Regards Maureen
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:32 PM Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Hi Maureen,
I am aware that you have talked with Tijani about AfRALO Nomcom selection with Tijani in Marrakech and I was waiting for your email.
AfRALO Nomcom election result was announced since some time I would expect ALAC to raise any issues earlier when the election results were announced, not very late in the process beside also not indicating the reasons of such position.
Although Hadia is a good candidate, we can’t accept an appointment by ALAC without giving the RALO a chance to propose another candidate, we need to follow AfRALO process in our selection, 80% of AfRALO members have participated the recent elections and selected their appointees.
I will update and consult with the RALO leadership team about your request and update you with our position, expect to get another name in the coming 2 weeks as maximum.
Kind Regards, Mohamed
On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:18 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mohamed
After discussing the NomCom candidate proposed by AFRALO with several of my ALAC members, I regret to inform you that although there will be a formal ALAC vote during the next couple of days on his nomination, informally there was little support for the nomination of Abdulkarim for this position.
I raised this with Tijani when we were in Marrakesh, and asked that the AFRALO leadership team look into another candidate who might be more acceptable.
Because the ALAC is also entitled to propose someone if no other contender is brought to our attention, another recommendation has been made whom I know would get absolute support from the ALAC. *Hadia Elminiawi *has accepted to take on this role. At the same time she will continue with her EPDP activities, as well as support other CPWG and outreach and engagement activities.
I hope that this recommendation meets with your approval. I know that Hadia would be a great representative from AFRALO as she has been during her term on the ALAC.
Regards Maureen
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Dear all, Thank you, Muhammed, for your email. Apologies for the late response. I was consulting with friends, leaders and my lawyers. I would like to state the following 1. I can confirm that I informed you (and others) of my intention to resign (for personal reasons) some weeks ago after being elected as the AFRALO rep to NOMCOM before I was told of the decision of ALAC Chair (as it's not the position of all ALAC members I spoke too.). ALAC chair should have been patient in getting rid of me unfortunately many ‘mistakes’ have been made by her and a few others in the process. 2. I believe the ALAC chair has personal issues with my person and she decided to discuss this with a few of ALAC members as stated in her email. I have lots of evidence to support this: from asking my name to be removed from being a pen holder to asking ICANN staff to email me and lots more. Please, I do not want to be pushed to sending all my evidence to the community (everyone who has seen them knows I have a clear case) as it is clear am being targeted here but I have a duty to protect the image of the ALAC chair. 3. If my nomination is to be rejected why is a democratic ( bottom-up approach in a multi-stakeholder environment) process not followed? 4. Why are ALAC members not allowed to vote on my nomination? is this a bottom-up process? Is this democratic? We need to ask questions. 5. Does the ALAC chair has the sole power to remove a candidate who is democratically elected. Please, my personal opinion does not matter here. 4. I am shocked that the ALAC chair decided to suggest Hadia (top-down approach), not just suggesting her, she has already spoken to Hadia about this (from her email). A democratic process was in place, and I believe it takes a ---------- to change the result of a democratic process. Please think back to her earlier move to impose candidates and make a judgment. Please don’t be fooled. If I were in Hadia shoes, I would have suggested to her to follow a democratic process rather than agree to take up the position using the military style. 5. None of the three reasons she gave is valid. In terms of leadership, I am quite young and still learning, but I have been fortunate in life. I have held various leadership positions successfully, both locally and internationally. The Federal Government of Nigeria has nominated me into different positions, (I can send my CV to anyone who wants to see, MY CV is also in the public domain) For example, in 2017 in Argentina, All Ministers of ICT/ Telecommunications from all the African countries endorsed my nomination to become the Vice-chair for the ITU-D Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG). Till date am the youngest person to have held this position and the only thing that got me the position was the leadership skills they saw in me. I can give more examples but the email is becoming too long. 6. I have not violated any of ICANN's code of conduct. I apologised for my email during the run up to the elections not because the content was not true but because I wanted us to move on and because I have duty to protect the image of ALAC chair especially in public. 7 I have never been a member of NCUC, never been to an NCUC meeting and never stated anywhere that I am a member of NCUC. Apart from At-large, within ICANN I am only a member of RSACC caucus. Hence, this is a lie against my person. My lawyers have been briefed for intentional defamation of character on this. The ALAC chair knows how active I have been in Atlarge and cannot deny this fact but has been pushing for me not to be so active lately I now understand the tactics. I have built a reputation for myself around the globe and I would not allow anyone to come and destroy this reputation. I believe this point is a deliberate attempt to fool the community. I would like the ALAC chair to provide the evidence of where I said I am a member of NCUC. All ICANN meetings are recorded. Point number 1 and 2 cannot be substantiated and No 3 is a deliberate attempt to put forward the reasons why other candidates were rejected in the past. My lawyers agreed with this and we shall be in court for on this. In conclusion, I would suggest that a fresh election should be called (with new nominations) to fill in the vacancy as a result of my stepping down in line with the principles of democracy. The other candidates got few votes. The community must be allowed to decide. The rules are clear ALAC chair cannot just select for us. ICANN is not a military barracks *To AFRALO community, * Please, I was hoping to come on here and inform you of the fact that I was stepping down as AFRALO rep to NOMCOM as you voted for me overwhelmingly. However, I am sorry that I can’t take up this position for some personal reasons. I promise to continue to serve this community whenever I am called upon. I would continue to be active in ICANN, I would continue to represent your interest However PLEASE let me off this time. Let me spend my energy and time in defending you in the best interest of the community. Once again, I thank you for nominating me (without me asking to be nominated) and for voting for me. Please just wish me well in my future endeavours and I would continue to serve this community. I am not giving up cos of ALAC chair personal decision but because of some other good reasons. I would come back and shed more about this in future. Please, I decided to share all of the above because I want you all to understand some politics that are going on, make your own judgment and fill in the blanks as appropriate. No one can bully me. Let me also state that and I hold no grudge against the ALAC chair I am willing to work with her in the best interest of the community and as it natural, some people would not like the other person for no reason, but they must be tolerated as best as possible, but I would be seeking a redress. AK -- Website <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng>, Weekly Bulletin <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/index.php/bulletin> UGPortal <http://uilugportal.unilorin.edu.ng/> PGPortal <https://uilpgportal.unilorin.edu.ng/>
Hi Abdul and all, I am surprised that the ALAC chair has nominated someone for this position. If this is really the case then it’s unfortunate. Regards Raymond On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 at 10:13 am, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Dear all,
Thank you, Muhammed, for your email.
Apologies for the late response. I was consulting with friends, leaders and my lawyers.
I would like to state the following
1. I can confirm that I informed you (and others) of my intention to resign (for personal reasons) some weeks ago after being elected as the AFRALO rep to NOMCOM before I was told of the decision of ALAC Chair (as it's not the position of all ALAC members I spoke too.). ALAC chair should have been patient in getting rid of me unfortunately many ‘mistakes’ have been made by her and a few others in the process.
2. I believe the ALAC chair has personal issues with my person and she decided to discuss this with a few of ALAC members as stated in her email. I have lots of evidence to support this: from asking my name to be removed from being a pen holder to asking ICANN staff to email me and lots more. Please, I do not want to be pushed to sending all my evidence to the community (everyone who has seen them knows I have a clear case) as it is clear am being targeted here but I have a duty to protect the image of the ALAC chair.
3. If my nomination is to be rejected why is a democratic ( bottom-up approach in a multi-stakeholder environment) process not followed?
4. Why are ALAC members not allowed to vote on my nomination? is this a bottom-up process? Is this democratic? We need to ask questions.
5. Does the ALAC chair has the sole power to remove a candidate who is democratically elected. Please, my personal opinion does not matter here.
4. I am shocked that the ALAC chair decided to suggest Hadia (top-down approach), not just suggesting her, she has already spoken to Hadia about this (from her email). A democratic process was in place, and I believe it takes a ---------- to change the result of a democratic process. Please think back to her earlier move to impose candidates and make a judgment. Please don’t be fooled. If I were in Hadia shoes, I would have suggested to her to follow a democratic process rather than agree to take up the position using the military style.
5. None of the three reasons she gave is valid. In terms of leadership, I am quite young and still learning, but I have been fortunate in life. I have held various leadership positions successfully, both locally and internationally. The Federal Government of Nigeria has nominated me into different positions, (I can send my CV to anyone who wants to see, MY CV is also in the public domain) For example, in 2017 in Argentina, All Ministers of ICT/ Telecommunications from all the African countries endorsed my nomination to become the Vice-chair for the ITU-D Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG). Till date am the youngest person to have held this position and the only thing that got me the position was the leadership skills they saw in me. I can give more examples but the email is becoming too long.
6. I have not violated any of ICANN's code of conduct. I apologised for my email during the run up to the elections not because the content was not true but because I wanted us to move on and because I have duty to protect the image of ALAC chair especially in public.
7 I have never been a member of NCUC, never been to an NCUC meeting and never stated anywhere that I am a member of NCUC. Apart from At-large, within ICANN I am only a member of RSACC caucus. Hence, this is a lie against my person. My lawyers have been briefed for intentional defamation of character on this. The ALAC chair knows how active I have been in Atlarge and cannot deny this fact but has been pushing for me not to be so active lately I now understand the tactics. I have built a reputation for myself around the globe and I would not allow anyone to come and destroy this reputation. I believe this point is a deliberate attempt to fool the community. I would like the ALAC chair to provide the evidence of where I said I am a member of NCUC. All ICANN meetings are recorded. Point number 1 and 2 cannot be substantiated and No 3 is a deliberate attempt to put forward the reasons why other candidates were rejected in the past. My lawyers agreed with this and we shall be in court for on this.
In conclusion, I would suggest that a fresh election should be called (with new nominations) to fill in the vacancy as a result of my stepping down in line with the principles of democracy. The other candidates got few votes. The community must be allowed to decide. The rules are clear ALAC chair cannot just select for us. ICANN is not a military barracks
*To AFRALO community, *
Please, I was hoping to come on here and inform you of the fact that I was stepping down as AFRALO rep to NOMCOM as you voted for me overwhelmingly. However, I am sorry that I can’t take up this position for some personal reasons. I promise to continue to serve this community whenever I am called upon. I would continue to be active in ICANN, I would continue to represent your interest However PLEASE let me off this time. Let me spend my energy and time in defending you in the best interest of the community. Once again, I thank you for nominating me (without me asking to be nominated) and for voting for me. Please just wish me well in my future endeavours and I would continue to serve this community. I am not giving up cos of ALAC chair personal decision but because of some other good reasons. I would come back and shed more about this in future.
Please, I decided to share all of the above because I want you all to understand some politics that are going on, make your own judgment and fill in the blanks as appropriate. No one can bully me.
Let me also state that and I hold no grudge against the ALAC chair I am willing to work with her in the best interest of the community and as it natural, some people would not like the other person for no reason, but they must be tolerated as best as possible, but I would be seeking a redress.
AK
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Hi AK It's unfortunate the turn of events in recent weeks. I will however advise you strictly follow ICANN process especially by exploring the Ombudsman first before court process if that becomes the ultimate decision I am sure all these will be sorted in good time. Best regards Remmy Nweke On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 11:51 Raymond Mamattah <mamattah.raymond@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Abdul and all,
I am surprised that the ALAC chair has nominated someone for this position. If this is really the case then it’s unfortunate.
Regards Raymond
On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 at 10:13 am, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Dear all,
Thank you, Muhammed, for your email.
Apologies for the late response. I was consulting with friends, leaders and my lawyers.
I would like to state the following
1. I can confirm that I informed you (and others) of my intention to resign (for personal reasons) some weeks ago after being elected as the AFRALO rep to NOMCOM before I was told of the decision of ALAC Chair (as it's not the position of all ALAC members I spoke too.). ALAC chair should have been patient in getting rid of me unfortunately many ‘mistakes’ have been made by her and a few others in the process.
2. I believe the ALAC chair has personal issues with my person and she decided to discuss this with a few of ALAC members as stated in her email. I have lots of evidence to support this: from asking my name to be removed from being a pen holder to asking ICANN staff to email me and lots more. Please, I do not want to be pushed to sending all my evidence to the community (everyone who has seen them knows I have a clear case) as it is clear am being targeted here but I have a duty to protect the image of the ALAC chair.
3. If my nomination is to be rejected why is a democratic ( bottom-up approach in a multi-stakeholder environment) process not followed?
4. Why are ALAC members not allowed to vote on my nomination? is this a bottom-up process? Is this democratic? We need to ask questions.
5. Does the ALAC chair has the sole power to remove a candidate who is democratically elected. Please, my personal opinion does not matter here.
4. I am shocked that the ALAC chair decided to suggest Hadia (top-down approach), not just suggesting her, she has already spoken to Hadia about this (from her email). A democratic process was in place, and I believe it takes a ---------- to change the result of a democratic process. Please think back to her earlier move to impose candidates and make a judgment. Please don’t be fooled. If I were in Hadia shoes, I would have suggested to her to follow a democratic process rather than agree to take up the position using the military style.
5. None of the three reasons she gave is valid. In terms of leadership, I am quite young and still learning, but I have been fortunate in life. I have held various leadership positions successfully, both locally and internationally. The Federal Government of Nigeria has nominated me into different positions, (I can send my CV to anyone who wants to see, MY CV is also in the public domain) For example, in 2017 in Argentina, All Ministers of ICT/ Telecommunications from all the African countries endorsed my nomination to become the Vice-chair for the ITU-D Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG). Till date am the youngest person to have held this position and the only thing that got me the position was the leadership skills they saw in me. I can give more examples but the email is becoming too long.
6. I have not violated any of ICANN's code of conduct. I apologised for my email during the run up to the elections not because the content was not true but because I wanted us to move on and because I have duty to protect the image of ALAC chair especially in public.
7 I have never been a member of NCUC, never been to an NCUC meeting and never stated anywhere that I am a member of NCUC. Apart from At-large, within ICANN I am only a member of RSACC caucus. Hence, this is a lie against my person. My lawyers have been briefed for intentional defamation of character on this. The ALAC chair knows how active I have been in Atlarge and cannot deny this fact but has been pushing for me not to be so active lately I now understand the tactics. I have built a reputation for myself around the globe and I would not allow anyone to come and destroy this reputation. I believe this point is a deliberate attempt to fool the community. I would like the ALAC chair to provide the evidence of where I said I am a member of NCUC. All ICANN meetings are recorded. Point number 1 and 2 cannot be substantiated and No 3 is a deliberate attempt to put forward the reasons why other candidates were rejected in the past. My lawyers agreed with this and we shall be in court for on this.
In conclusion, I would suggest that a fresh election should be called (with new nominations) to fill in the vacancy as a result of my stepping down in line with the principles of democracy. The other candidates got few votes. The community must be allowed to decide. The rules are clear ALAC chair cannot just select for us. ICANN is not a military barracks
*To AFRALO community, *
Please, I was hoping to come on here and inform you of the fact that I was stepping down as AFRALO rep to NOMCOM as you voted for me overwhelmingly. However, I am sorry that I can’t take up this position for some personal reasons. I promise to continue to serve this community whenever I am called upon. I would continue to be active in ICANN, I would continue to represent your interest However PLEASE let me off this time. Let me spend my energy and time in defending you in the best interest of the community. Once again, I thank you for nominating me (without me asking to be nominated) and for voting for me. Please just wish me well in my future endeavours and I would continue to serve this community. I am not giving up cos of ALAC chair personal decision but because of some other good reasons. I would come back and shed more about this in future.
Please, I decided to share all of the above because I want you all to understand some politics that are going on, make your own judgment and fill in the blanks as appropriate. No one can bully me.
Let me also state that and I hold no grudge against the ALAC chair I am willing to work with her in the best interest of the community and as it natural, some people would not like the other person for no reason, but they must be tolerated as best as possible, but I would be seeking a redress.
AK
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Abd-El-Raouf Olévié Kouami -
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