Call for comments (was Fwd: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party)
Dear Members, The ALS mobilisation working party has completed its work and the report is hereby attached for our comments. These report makes recommendations on how present and future ALSes will operate within AFRALO and At-large as a whole, hence it is important that members look at the report and provide any feedback to on this. You may put your comments on this list(in response to my mail) or you may write to me directly or to any of the AFRALO officers in copy. We shall then attempt to put the various comments together in form of a statement. I suggest we take the next 2 weeks for this as the ALAC may be finalising on the report during the next ALAC meeting. I will appreciate that comments are brief and specific with reference to specific heading and page number in the document. I will attempt to provide 2 examples below: *What to expect from an ALS(page 3/4):* The 3rd paragraph seem to give more decision powers to the ALT, when it should rather be the entire ALAC that would grant such a waiver. Preferrably such waiver may be receievd and granted by each RALO leadership to avoid weilding too much power to the center *Withdrawal of Accreditation (page 16):* Bullet point 3 under item 2 suggests that staff should notify the ALAC Chair who then oversees the process, i think it should rather be a notification to the RALO leadership (perhaps with ALAC Chair in copy) and the RALO leadership should oversee the process with an action recommendation to the ALAC (through the ALAC Chair) Finally, while we have earlier invited the Chair of the working party in person of Alan Greenberg to our special purpose call in the past, there may be another call/webinar that will be scheduled. I will provide more details about that as soon as i have it. Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 20:27 Subject: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp@icann.org> Please find attached the Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party (ALS-Mob-WP). I will be happy to formally make a presentation to the ALAC and At-Large Community at Maureen's convenience, and I can also do presentations to any RALO that wishes. The report is the result of ten months of work by the WP. Everything in it was determined by consensus and the vast majority by unanimous consensus. The next step is a review by the ALAC and RALOs. Presumably the latter will be initiated by the ALAC Members from each region. Once the ALAC, with the support of the RALOs provides approval, the substance of the report will go to the ICANN Board for their agreement (or non-objection). Any Bylaw changes will be submitted to the Board and would be subject to the standard Bylaw amendment procedure as specified under Bylaws Article 25. In parallel with this report being submitted to the ALAC, the proposed Bylaw changes are being submitted to the Office of the General Counsel for their review and comments. Should the ALAC or Board require further modifications to the report, the WP will be reconvened. I will be happy to address and questions, comments or concerns. Alan_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Dear Pastor Peters, Thanks for your mail and just to further add, its not just the proposed bylaw change that is draft the entire report is currently in its draft state. I encourage members to not see the report as being targeted towards certain RALO as it was prepared by representatives from all the RALOs and this is now the opportunity for the entire membership to contribute to the report. I therefore encourage members to look at the draft report and highlight any area of concern and suggestion for improvement. As an ALS, a RALO member and At-large member we have to continue to contribute our part in shaping the future of our ALSes and At-large as a whole. Look forward to comments, concerns and suggestions on the report, like I said earlier let's get the comments in earlier, we hope to have a draft presented by our next monthly meeting which will be on the 4th of November Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Thu, 22 Oct 2020, 11:20 Peters Omoragbon, <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Seun.
It is imperative members perused and make useful contributions and not leave it to a few just because some want to be in the good books of some powers within ALAC. (Some may take exception to this, but it is the truth)
A meeting with Alan in attendance after collation is very imperative. As a guide, the current bye laws of icann has not been amended yet. So when reading this report be guided by icann bye laws. Anything that is contrary to the bye laws is not binding. But if we are complacent, ALAC will adopt and forward to the board to amend the bye laws.
Afralo is the ONLY vibrant regional group on icann and we re the target.
Best Pastor Peters Omoragbon
Sent from my Huawei phone
-------- Original message -------- From: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020, 07:46 To: afri-discuss <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: aziz hilali <abdelaziz.hilali@gmail.com> Subject: [AFRI-Discuss] Call for comments (was Fwd: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party)
Dear Members,
The ALS mobilisation working party has completed its work and the report is hereby attached for our comments. These report makes recommendations on how present and future ALSes will operate within AFRALO and At-large as a whole, hence it is important that members look at the report and provide any feedback to on this.
You may put your comments on this list(in response to my mail) or you may write to me directly or to any of the AFRALO officers in copy. We shall then attempt to put the various comments together in form of a statement. I suggest we take the next 2 weeks for this as the ALAC may be finalising on the report during the next ALAC meeting. I will appreciate that comments are brief and specific with reference to specific heading and page number in the document. I will attempt to provide 2 examples below:
*What to expect from an ALS(page 3/4):* The 3rd paragraph seem to give more decision powers to the ALT, when it should rather be the entire ALAC that would grant such a waiver. Preferrably such waiver may be receievd and granted by each RALO leadership to avoid weilding too much power to the center
*Withdrawal of Accreditation (page 16):* Bullet point 3 under item 2 suggests that staff should notify the ALAC Chair who then oversees the process, i think it should rather be a notification to the RALO leadership (perhaps with ALAC Chair in copy) and the RALO leadership should oversee the process with an action recommendation to the ALAC (through the ALAC Chair)
Finally, while we have earlier invited the Chair of the working party in person of Alan Greenberg to our special purpose call in the past, there may be another call/webinar that will be scheduled. I will provide more details about that as soon as i have it.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *Alan Greenberg* <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 20:27 Subject: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp@icann.org>
Please find attached the Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party (ALS-Mob-WP).
I will be happy to formally make a presentation to the ALAC and At-Large Community at Maureen's convenience, and I can also do presentations to any RALO that wishes.
The report is the result of ten months of work by the WP. Everything in it was determined by consensus and the vast majority by unanimous consensus.
The next step is a review by the ALAC and RALOs. Presumably the latter will be initiated by the ALAC Members from each region.
Once the ALAC, with the support of the RALOs provides approval, the substance of the report will go to the ICANN Board for their agreement (or non-objection). Any Bylaw changes will be submitted to the Board and would be subject to the standard Bylaw amendment procedure as specified under Bylaws Article 25. In parallel with this report being submitted to the ALAC, the proposed Bylaw changes are being submitted to the Office of the General Counsel for their review and comments.
Should the ALAC or Board require further modifications to the report, the WP will be reconvened.
I will be happy to address and questions, comments or concerns.
Alan_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28A...> _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Dear members, This is a reminder for you to share you comments on the report. Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Thu, 22 Oct 2020, 07:45 Seun Ojedeji, <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Members,
The ALS mobilisation working party has completed its work and the report is hereby attached for our comments. These report makes recommendations on how present and future ALSes will operate within AFRALO and At-large as a whole, hence it is important that members look at the report and provide any feedback to on this.
You may put your comments on this list(in response to my mail) or you may write to me directly or to any of the AFRALO officers in copy. We shall then attempt to put the various comments together in form of a statement. I suggest we take the next 2 weeks for this as the ALAC may be finalising on the report during the next ALAC meeting. I will appreciate that comments are brief and specific with reference to specific heading and page number in the document. I will attempt to provide 2 examples below:
*What to expect from an ALS(page 3/4):* The 3rd paragraph seem to give more decision powers to the ALT, when it should rather be the entire ALAC that would grant such a waiver. Preferrably such waiver may be receievd and granted by each RALO leadership to avoid weilding too much power to the center
*Withdrawal of Accreditation (page 16):* Bullet point 3 under item 2 suggests that staff should notify the ALAC Chair who then oversees the process, i think it should rather be a notification to the RALO leadership (perhaps with ALAC Chair in copy) and the RALO leadership should oversee the process with an action recommendation to the ALAC (through the ALAC Chair)
Finally, while we have earlier invited the Chair of the working party in person of Alan Greenberg to our special purpose call in the past, there may be another call/webinar that will be scheduled. I will provide more details about that as soon as i have it.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 20:27 Subject: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp@icann.org>
Please find attached the Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party (ALS-Mob-WP).
I will be happy to formally make a presentation to the ALAC and At-Large Community at Maureen's convenience, and I can also do presentations to any RALO that wishes.
The report is the result of ten months of work by the WP. Everything in it was determined by consensus and the vast majority by unanimous consensus.
The next step is a review by the ALAC and RALOs. Presumably the latter will be initiated by the ALAC Members from each region.
Once the ALAC, with the support of the RALOs provides approval, the substance of the report will go to the ICANN Board for their agreement (or non-objection). Any Bylaw changes will be submitted to the Board and would be subject to the standard Bylaw amendment procedure as specified under Bylaws Article 25. In parallel with this report being submitted to the ALAC, the proposed Bylaw changes are being submitted to the Office of the General Counsel for their review and comments.
Should the ALAC or Board require further modifications to the report, the WP will be reconvened.
I will be happy to address and questions, comments or concerns.
Alan_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Dear Members, As agreed during our last monthly call, we have put the final draft of the report on googledocs. *Please do not suggest edits but rather add comments on any section of the document that you find to be of concern*, if you have a solution to the concern, you can indicate it in your comment as well, we shall then compile any comments that emerge and make a statement off it thereof. Here is the url to the googledocs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kr4uH3IGv-LNzsO27twEiTlmRBUUAab5JzgNqGCh... Kindly put in your comments as soon as possible. Regards Seun - AFRALO Chair On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:45 AM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Members,
The ALS mobilisation working party has completed its work and the report is hereby attached for our comments. These report makes recommendations on how present and future ALSes will operate within AFRALO and At-large as a whole, hence it is important that members look at the report and provide any feedback to on this.
You may put your comments on this list(in response to my mail) or you may write to me directly or to any of the AFRALO officers in copy. We shall then attempt to put the various comments together in form of a statement. I suggest we take the next 2 weeks for this as the ALAC may be finalising on the report during the next ALAC meeting. I will appreciate that comments are brief and specific with reference to specific heading and page number in the document. I will attempt to provide 2 examples below:
*What to expect from an ALS(page 3/4):* The 3rd paragraph seem to give more decision powers to the ALT, when it should rather be the entire ALAC that would grant such a waiver. Preferrably such waiver may be receievd and granted by each RALO leadership to avoid weilding too much power to the center
*Withdrawal of Accreditation (page 16):* Bullet point 3 under item 2 suggests that staff should notify the ALAC Chair who then oversees the process, i think it should rather be a notification to the RALO leadership (perhaps with ALAC Chair in copy) and the RALO leadership should oversee the process with an action recommendation to the ALAC (through the ALAC Chair)
Finally, while we have earlier invited the Chair of the working party in person of Alan Greenberg to our special purpose call in the past, there may be another call/webinar that will be scheduled. I will provide more details about that as soon as i have it.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 20:27 Subject: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp@icann.org>
Please find attached the Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party (ALS-Mob-WP).
I will be happy to formally make a presentation to the ALAC and At-Large Community at Maureen's convenience, and I can also do presentations to any RALO that wishes.
The report is the result of ten months of work by the WP. Everything in it was determined by consensus and the vast majority by unanimous consensus.
The next step is a review by the ALAC and RALOs. Presumably the latter will be initiated by the ALAC Members from each region.
Once the ALAC, with the support of the RALOs provides approval, the substance of the report will go to the ICANN Board for their agreement (or non-objection). Any Bylaw changes will be submitted to the Board and would be subject to the standard Bylaw amendment procedure as specified under Bylaws Article 25. In parallel with this report being submitted to the ALAC, the proposed Bylaw changes are being submitted to the Office of the General Counsel for their review and comments.
Should the ALAC or Board require further modifications to the report, the WP will be reconvened.
I will be happy to address and questions, comments or concerns.
Alan_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Seun Ojedeji,Mobile: +2348035233535* Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!
Dear members, I like to emphasize that it is on the googledocs at the URL that I have shared with us earlier that comments should be made. Only comments made on this particular copy of the report is what we shall look into as a RALO. I encourage members to make their comments on the googledocs as soon as possible. Once again here is the URL to the document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kr4uH3IGv-LNzsO27twEiTlmRBUUAab5JzgNqGCh... While still on the subject matter, I call on members of the WP party from the region and other AFRALO members to respond to any comments made with the intention of either agreeing with the comment, providing clarification or disagreeing with the comment. That will make it easier to identify comments that achieves more consensus. For avoidance of doubt, initial comments made will be noted unless there are response(s) on the comments that suggest otherwise Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 07:32 Seun Ojedeji, <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Members,
As agreed during our last monthly call, we have put the final draft of the report on googledocs. *Please do not suggest edits but rather add comments on any section of the document that you find to be of concern*, if you have a solution to the concern, you can indicate it in your comment as well, we shall then compile any comments that emerge and make a statement off it thereof.
Here is the url to the googledocs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kr4uH3IGv-LNzsO27twEiTlmRBUUAab5JzgNqGCh...
Kindly put in your comments as soon as possible.
Regards Seun - AFRALO Chair
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:45 AM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Members,
The ALS mobilisation working party has completed its work and the report is hereby attached for our comments. These report makes recommendations on how present and future ALSes will operate within AFRALO and At-large as a whole, hence it is important that members look at the report and provide any feedback to on this.
You may put your comments on this list(in response to my mail) or you may write to me directly or to any of the AFRALO officers in copy. We shall then attempt to put the various comments together in form of a statement. I suggest we take the next 2 weeks for this as the ALAC may be finalising on the report during the next ALAC meeting. I will appreciate that comments are brief and specific with reference to specific heading and page number in the document. I will attempt to provide 2 examples below:
*What to expect from an ALS(page 3/4):* The 3rd paragraph seem to give more decision powers to the ALT, when it should rather be the entire ALAC that would grant such a waiver. Preferrably such waiver may be receievd and granted by each RALO leadership to avoid weilding too much power to the center
*Withdrawal of Accreditation (page 16):* Bullet point 3 under item 2 suggests that staff should notify the ALAC Chair who then oversees the process, i think it should rather be a notification to the RALO leadership (perhaps with ALAC Chair in copy) and the RALO leadership should oversee the process with an action recommendation to the ALAC (through the ALAC Chair)
Finally, while we have earlier invited the Chair of the working party in person of Alan Greenberg to our special purpose call in the past, there may be another call/webinar that will be scheduled. I will provide more details about that as soon as i have it.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 20:27 Subject: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp@icann.org>
Please find attached the Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party (ALS-Mob-WP).
I will be happy to formally make a presentation to the ALAC and At-Large Community at Maureen's convenience, and I can also do presentations to any RALO that wishes.
The report is the result of ten months of work by the WP. Everything in it was determined by consensus and the vast majority by unanimous consensus.
The next step is a review by the ALAC and RALOs. Presumably the latter will be initiated by the ALAC Members from each region.
Once the ALAC, with the support of the RALOs provides approval, the substance of the report will go to the ICANN Board for their agreement (or non-objection). Any Bylaw changes will be submitted to the Board and would be subject to the standard Bylaw amendment procedure as specified under Bylaws Article 25. In parallel with this report being submitted to the ALAC, the proposed Bylaw changes are being submitted to the Office of the General Counsel for their review and comments.
Should the ALAC or Board require further modifications to the report, the WP will be reconvened.
I will be happy to address and questions, comments or concerns.
Alan_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
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*Seun Ojedeji,Mobile: +2348035233535*
Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!
Hello Seun and All. I have made my inputs into the Google document as requested. Now flowing from the call last night, I think it will be expedient for us to articulate our position as a RALO taking in all suggestions. You heard the masked remarks last night by Alan, after my intervention when he said ALAC maybe inclined to act upon our proposal if its a RALO proposal and not an individual, which to me was misplaced. My position from time has not been an individual position but that of my ALS. I represent my ALS and not myself. Some of our leaders in icann are not able to separate both. Another danger in the current call of yesterday and tomorrow is a ploy to give ALAC an undemocratic mandate to rail road this New proposal to the Board with the claim that the Community including all RALOs have been given the opportunity to discuss the new proposal and they will put into vote. Maureen has a majority of sympathisers in ALAC that can push this through. Which is why AFRALO may have to 1. Formally write to ALAC to stand down ANY decision on this document until we have enough time of about 40 days as recalled by Sebastian last night or 2. Work hard in the next 2wks to put up an Afralo position FOR ALAC. One danger those of us sitting on the fence is not sering is the implication of this new ALS guidelines if not checked. 1. ALAC wants to assume FULL control over the entire community defeating the purpose of the principles of icann in terms of multi stakeholders consensus on issues. 2. RALOs are being gradually made redundant and with time may be done away with, if not why would anyone propose that ALAC over sees the activities of RALOs or that ALAC deal directly with Als and not through RALO. 3. In the nearest future, the plan is to do away with ALSes and rely on individual members. Icann will soon become an individual organisation as opposed to organisational representation. Reason is not far fetched, all the current people leading on this new draconian changes do not belong to any organisation in their constituency even if they do, they re no more but are involved in icann as individuals. Which is fine but they should not destroy the very fabric of what make icann what it is today. 4. Why would Alan refused to have the entire community look at the draft and make recommendations before asking ALAC to revirw instead of taking it straight to ALAC and now we are being made to look over a document that took one year to develop in a 2 hour call. I can't get it. All the suggestions last night appeared to be a waste of bcos he said it is left for ALAC to accept or not and no more the WP! ALAC is composed of two third elected members by RALOs. Its like Board or shares in a company. The RALOs have the largest numbers of shares and should be the ones to call the shot and not the other way. It is the dog that wags the tail and not the tail wagging the dog. Finally, Seun and the Exco of AFRALO, the AFRALO call that was initiated by my petition against the leadership of the WP did make about 3 resolutions that was to be written to ALAC after the meeting. Why was this not done because I cannot recall seeing that document till date. Please, Seun and Sarah to please address us on this. Whatever it is worth, I have been like a lonely voice in the wilderness while a lot of us are muted and I'm been seen as a bad guy, but the fallout from these if not checked will not affect our Als alone. Yesterday someone said to Seun that the WP did not think along his line of thoughts on the points he raised if not it would have been dealt with. That was pure fallacy because I did both during calls and in writing but some people just don't care because it is coming from Pastor Peters. You cannot cut off your nose to spite your face remember. Have a good day everyone. Posterity will judge all of us rightly or wrongly. Shallom. Pastor Peters Omoragbon Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: AFRI-Discuss <afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:32:24 AM To: afri-discuss <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: aziz hilali <abdelaziz.hilali@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Call for comments (was Fwd: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party) Dear Members, As agreed during our last monthly call, we have put the final draft of the report on googledocs. Please do not suggest edits but rather add comments on any section of the document that you find to be of concern, if you have a solution to the concern, you can indicate it in your comment as well, we shall then compile any comments that emerge and make a statement off it thereof. Here is the url to the googledocs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kr4uH3IGv-LNzsO27twEiTlmRBUUAab5JzgNqGCh... Kindly put in your comments as soon as possible. Regards Seun - AFRALO Chair On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:45 AM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com<mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Members, The ALS mobilisation working party has completed its work and the report is hereby attached for our comments. These report makes recommendations on how present and future ALSes will operate within AFRALO and At-large as a whole, hence it is important that members look at the report and provide any feedback to on this. You may put your comments on this list(in response to my mail) or you may write to me directly or to any of the AFRALO officers in copy. We shall then attempt to put the various comments together in form of a statement. I suggest we take the next 2 weeks for this as the ALAC may be finalising on the report during the next ALAC meeting. I will appreciate that comments are brief and specific with reference to specific heading and page number in the document. I will attempt to provide 2 examples below: What to expect from an ALS(page 3/4): The 3rd paragraph seem to give more decision powers to the ALT, when it should rather be the entire ALAC that would grant such a waiver. Preferrably such waiver may be receievd and granted by each RALO leadership to avoid weilding too much power to the center Withdrawal of Accreditation (page 16): Bullet point 3 under item 2 suggests that staff should notify the ALAC Chair who then oversees the process, i think it should rather be a notification to the RALO leadership (perhaps with ALAC Chair in copy) and the RALO leadership should oversee the process with an action recommendation to the ALAC (through the ALAC Chair) Finally, while we have earlier invited the Chair of the working party in person of Alan Greenberg to our special purpose call in the past, there may be another call/webinar that will be scheduled. I will provide more details about that as soon as i have it. Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 20:27 Subject: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Cc: ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp@icann.org<mailto:als-mob-wp@icann.org>> Please find attached the Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party (ALS-Mob-WP). I will be happy to formally make a presentation to the ALAC and At-Large Community at Maureen's convenience, and I can also do presentations to any RALO that wishes. The report is the result of ten months of work by the WP. Everything in it was determined by consensus and the vast majority by unanimous consensus. The next step is a review by the ALAC and RALOs. Presumably the latter will be initiated by the ALAC Members from each region. Once the ALAC, with the support of the RALOs provides approval, the substance of the report will go to the ICANN Board for their agreement (or non-objection). Any Bylaw changes will be submitted to the Board and would be subject to the standard Bylaw amendment procedure as specified under Bylaws Article 25. In parallel with this report being submitted to the ALAC, the proposed Bylaw changes are being submitted to the Office of the General Counsel for their review and comments. Should the ALAC or Board require further modifications to the report, the WP will be reconvened. I will be happy to address and questions, comments or concerns. Alan_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Seun Ojedeji, Mobile: +2348035233535 Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!
Hello Pastor Peters, Kindly see inline: On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Seun and All. I have made my inputs into the Google document as requested.
SO: Hmm...i can't find your inputs on the document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kr4uH3IGv-LNzsO27twEiTlmRBUUAab5JzgNqGCh... It seem you made a different copy off it? you may put your comment on the googledocs link shared above so that all comments are on the same document for our deliberations.
Now flowing from the call last night, I think it will be expedient for us to articulate our position as a RALO taking in all suggestions. You heard the masked remarks last night by Alan, after my intervention when he said ALAC maybe inclined to act upon our proposal if its a RALO proposal and not an individual, which to me was misplaced. My position from time has not been an individual position but that of my ALS. I represent my ALS and not myself. Some of our leaders in icann are not able to separate both.
SO: It has been my understanding that RALO's input will be required and it's much better that we agree on our inputs as RALO and present the same. So i think members' comments from RALO are indeed what is being requested now.
Another danger in the current call of yesterday and tomorrow is a ploy to give ALAC an undemocratic mandate to rail road this New proposal to the Board with the claim that the Community including all RALOs have been given the opportunity to discuss the new proposal and they will put into vote. Maureen has a majority of sympathisers in ALAC that can push this through. Which is why AFRALO may have to 1. Formally write to ALAC to stand down ANY decision on this document until we have enough time of about 40 days as recalled by Sebastian last night or 2. Work hard in the next 2wks to put up an Afralo position FOR ALAC.
SO: I think it's important to note that we are all At-Large, while our RALO may have observations on the report, other RALOs have their views as well and we have to find a common ground that works for the majority (if not all). AFRALO will make her comments on the report as the ALAC has provided the current window for that hence there is no decision at ALAC level to call a stay on.
One danger those of us sitting on the fence is not sering is the implication of this new ALS guidelines if not checked. 1. ALAC wants to assume FULL control over the entire community defeating the purpose of the principles of icann in terms of multi stakeholders consensus on issues. 2. RALOs are being gradually made redundant and with time may be done away with, if not why would anyone propose that ALAC over sees the activities of RALOs or that ALAC deal directly with Als and not through RALO. 3. In the nearest future, the plan is to do away with ALSes and rely on individual members. Icann will soon become an individual organisation as opposed to organisational representation. Reason is not far fetched, all the current people leading on this new draconian changes do not belong to any organisation in their constituency even if they do, they re no more but are involved in icann as individuals. Which is fine but they should not destroy the very fabric of what make icann what it is today. 4. Why would Alan refused to have the entire community look at the draft and make recommendations before asking ALAC to revirw instead of taking it straight to ALAC and now we are being made to look over a document that took one year to develop in a 2 hour call. I can't get it. All the suggestions last night appeared to be a waste of bcos he said it is left for ALAC to accept or not and no more the WP! ALAC is composed of two third elected members by RALOs. Its like Board or shares in a company. The RALOs have the largest numbers of shares and should be the ones to call the shot and not the other way. It is the dog that wags the tail and not the tail wagging the dog.
SO: I like to call for caution Pastor Peters, while we may have our strong opinions, I think we should engage one another with an open mind. As you may already know, the call that occured yesterday and the one that will be held tomorrow was a request by the RALO leaders and it was largely informational. Alan was actually right that the report is now in the hands of the ALAC unless ALAC explicitly asks the WP to oversee the gathering of feedback from RALOs which is not the case. When we review the report and get to a section where point of clarification is required, that would be to the WP members (including the Chair Alan) but when we have comments for modification we are to talk to ALAC because that is where the report sits at the moment. Yes I would have preferred ALAC asking the WP to coordinate this phase of community engagement but that route was not taken by ALAC so lets work with what we have. Finally, Seun and the Exco of AFRALO, the AFRALO call that was initiated by
my petition against the leadership of the WP did make about 3 resolutions that was to be written to ALAC after the meeting. Why was this not done because I cannot recall seeing that document till date. Please, Seun and Sarah to please address us on this.
SO: During the call that your referred to, action item given to the AFRALO leadership was to communicate to the Chair of ALAC on the importance of engaging the RALOs once the final draft report was submitted to ALAC which was done, and i understand that the engagement is what we are having at the moment. Could this particular phase have been handled differently, maybe but we shall work with what we have.
Whatever it is worth, I have been like a lonely voice in the wilderness while a lot of us are muted and I'm been seen as a bad guy, but the fallout from these if not checked will not affect our Als alone. Yesterday someone said to Seun that the WP did not think along his line of thoughts on the points he raised if not it would have been dealt with. That was pure fallacy because I did both during calls and in writing but some people just don't care because it is coming from Pastor Peters. You cannot cut off your nose to spite your face remember.
SO: The rules we are talking about is supposed to be in the interest of At-Large, i can assure you that this is not about an individual so you are actually not alone, from my count there were at least 7 members from AFRALO that participated in the WP (though at different levels). Let's make sure we put in our comments during this phase, even if it was missed in the past, there is still an opportunity to voice them out, if we agree on them then we take them as our RALO's view Regards
Have a good day everyone. Posterity will judge all of us rightly or wrongly. Shallom. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> ------------------------------ *From:* AFRI-Discuss <afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:32:24 AM *To:* afri-discuss <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Cc:* aziz hilali <abdelaziz.hilali@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Call for comments (was Fwd: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party)
Dear Members,
As agreed during our last monthly call, we have put the final draft of the report on googledocs. *Please do not suggest edits but rather add comments on any section of the document that you find to be of concern*, if you have a solution to the concern, you can indicate it in your comment as well, we shall then compile any comments that emerge and make a statement off it thereof.
Here is the url to the googledocs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kr4uH3IGv-LNzsO27twEiTlmRBUUAab5JzgNqGCh...
Kindly put in your comments as soon as possible.
Regards Seun - AFRALO Chair
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:45 AM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Members,
The ALS mobilisation working party has completed its work and the report is hereby attached for our comments. These report makes recommendations on how present and future ALSes will operate within AFRALO and At-large as a whole, hence it is important that members look at the report and provide any feedback to on this.
You may put your comments on this list(in response to my mail) or you may write to me directly or to any of the AFRALO officers in copy. We shall then attempt to put the various comments together in form of a statement. I suggest we take the next 2 weeks for this as the ALAC may be finalising on the report during the next ALAC meeting. I will appreciate that comments are brief and specific with reference to specific heading and page number in the document. I will attempt to provide 2 examples below:
*What to expect from an ALS(page 3/4):* The 3rd paragraph seem to give more decision powers to the ALT, when it should rather be the entire ALAC that would grant such a waiver. Preferrably such waiver may be receievd and granted by each RALO leadership to avoid weilding too much power to the center
*Withdrawal of Accreditation (page 16):* Bullet point 3 under item 2 suggests that staff should notify the ALAC Chair who then oversees the process, i think it should rather be a notification to the RALO leadership (perhaps with ALAC Chair in copy) and the RALO leadership should oversee the process with an action recommendation to the ALAC (through the ALAC Chair)
Finally, while we have earlier invited the Chair of the working party in person of Alan Greenberg to our special purpose call in the past, there may be another call/webinar that will be scheduled. I will provide more details about that as soon as i have it.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *Alan Greenberg* <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 20:27 Subject: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp@icann.org>
Please find attached the Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party (ALS-Mob-WP).
I will be happy to formally make a presentation to the ALAC and At-Large Community at Maureen's convenience, and I can also do presentations to any RALO that wishes.
The report is the result of ten months of work by the WP. Everything in it was determined by consensus and the vast majority by unanimous consensus.
The next step is a review by the ALAC and RALOs. Presumably the latter will be initiated by the ALAC Members from each region.
Once the ALAC, with the support of the RALOs provides approval, the substance of the report will go to the ICANN Board for their agreement (or non-objection). Any Bylaw changes will be submitted to the Board and would be subject to the standard Bylaw amendment procedure as specified under Bylaws Article 25. In parallel with this report being submitted to the ALAC, the proposed Bylaw changes are being submitted to the Office of the General Counsel for their review and comments.
Should the ALAC or Board require further modifications to the report, the WP will be reconvened.
I will be happy to address and questions, comments or concerns.
Alan_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
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Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Seun Ojedeji,Mobile: +2348035233535* Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!
Hello Pastor Peters and all, I agree with Seun's comments. Please see my responses inline below. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 1:37 PM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Pastor Peters,
Kindly see inline:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Peters Omoragbon < petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Seun and All. I have made my inputs into the Google document as requested.
SO: Hmm...i can't find your inputs on the document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kr4uH3IGv-LNzsO27twEiTlmRBUUAab5JzgNqGCh... It seem you made a different copy off it? you may put your comment on the googledocs link shared above so that all comments are on the same document for our deliberations.
Now flowing from the call last night, I think it will be expedient for us to articulate our position as a RALO taking in all suggestions. You heard the masked remarks last night by Alan, after my intervention when he said ALAC maybe inclined to act upon our proposal if its a RALO proposal and not an individual, which to me was misplaced. My position from time has not been an individual position but that of my ALS. I represent my ALS and not myself. Some of our leaders in icann are not able to separate both.
SO: It has been my understanding that RALO's input will be required and it's much better that we agree on our inputs as RALO and present the same. So i think members' comments from RALO are indeed what is being requested now.
Another danger in the current call of yesterday and tomorrow is a ploy to give ALAC an undemocratic mandate to rail road this New proposal to the Board with the claim that the Community including all RALOs have been given the opportunity to discuss the new proposal and they will put into vote. Maureen has a majority of sympathisers in ALAC that can push this through. Which is why AFRALO may have to 1. Formally write to ALAC to stand down ANY decision on this document until we have enough time of about 40 days as recalled by Sebastian last night or 2. Work hard in the next 2wks to put up an Afralo position FOR ALAC.
SO: I think it's important to note that we are all At-Large, while our RALO may have observations on the report, other RALOs have their views as well and we have to find a common ground that works for the majority (if not all). AFRALO will make her comments on the report as the ALAC has provided the current window for that hence there is no decision at ALAC level to call a stay on.
One danger those of us sitting on the fence is not sering is the implication of this new ALS guidelines if not checked. 1. ALAC wants to assume FULL control over the entire community defeating the purpose of the principles of icann in terms of multi stakeholders consensus on issues. 2. RALOs are being gradually made redundant and with time may be done away with, if not why would anyone propose that ALAC over sees the activities of RALOs or that ALAC deal directly with Als and not through RALO. 3. In the nearest future, the plan is to do away with ALSes and rely on individual members. Icann will soon become an individual organisation as opposed to organisational representation. Reason is not far fetched, all the current people leading on this new draconian changes do not belong to any organisation in their constituency even if they do, they re no more but are involved in icann as individuals. Which is fine but they should not destroy the very fabric of what make icann what it is today. 4. Why would Alan refused to have the entire community look at the draft and make recommendations before asking ALAC to revirw instead of taking it straight to ALAC and now we are being made to look over a document that took one year to develop in a 2 hour call. I can't get it. All the suggestions last night appeared to be a waste of bcos he said it is left for ALAC to accept or not and no more the WP! ALAC is composed of two third elected members by RALOs. Its like Board or shares in a company. The RALOs have the largest numbers of shares and should be the ones to call the shot and not the other way. It is the dog that wags the tail and not the tail wagging the dog.
SO: I like to call for caution Pastor Peters, while we may have our strong opinions, I think we should engage one another with an open mind. As you may already know, the call that occured yesterday and the one that will be held tomorrow was a request by the RALO leaders and it was largely informational. Alan was actually right that the report is now in the hands of the ALAC unless ALAC explicitly asks the WP to oversee the gathering of feedback from RALOs which is not the case. When we review the report and get to a section where point of clarification is required, that would be to the WP members (including the Chair Alan) but when we have comments for modification we are to talk to ALAC because that is where the report sits at the moment. Yes I would have preferred ALAC asking the WP to coordinate this phase of community engagement but that route was not taken by ALAC so lets work with what we have.
Finally, Seun and the Exco of AFRALO, the AFRALO call that was initiated
by my petition against the leadership of the WP did make about 3 resolutions that was to be written to ALAC after the meeting. Why was this not done because I cannot recall seeing that document till date. Please, Seun and Sarah to please address us on this.
SO: During the call that your referred to, action item given to the AFRALO leadership was to communicate to the Chair of ALAC on the importance of engaging the RALOs once the final draft report was submitted to ALAC which was done, and i understand that the engagement is what we are having at the moment. Could this particular phase have been handled differently, maybe but we shall work with what we have.
SK: This step was in fact completed in June 2020 by the AFRALO Chair, who sent a request to the ALAC Chair that comments from RALOs be sought before the final report is considered. I believe we still have an opportunity to make our comments in the document shared by Seun and then send this as AFRALO feedback. I note that you have already added comments into the document. I believe these comments will be addressed. Thanks, Sarah
Whatever it is worth, I have been like a lonely voice in the wilderness while a lot of us are muted and I'm been seen as a bad guy, but the fallout from these if not checked will not affect our Als alone. Yesterday someone said to Seun that the WP did not think along his line of thoughts on the points he raised if not it would have been dealt with. That was pure fallacy because I did both during calls and in writing but some people just don't care because it is coming from Pastor Peters. You cannot cut off your nose to spite your face remember.
SO: The rules we are talking about is supposed to be in the interest of At-Large, i can assure you that this is not about an individual so you are actually not alone, from my count there were at least 7 members from AFRALO that participated in the WP (though at different levels). Let's make sure we put in our comments during this phase, even if it was missed in the past, there is still an opportunity to voice them out, if we agree on them then we take them as our RALO's view
Regards
Have a good day everyone. Posterity will judge all of us rightly or wrongly. Shallom. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> ------------------------------ *From:* AFRI-Discuss <afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:32:24 AM *To:* afri-discuss <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Cc:* aziz hilali <abdelaziz.hilali@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Call for comments (was Fwd: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party)
Dear Members,
As agreed during our last monthly call, we have put the final draft of the report on googledocs. *Please do not suggest edits but rather add comments on any section of the document that you find to be of concern*, if you have a solution to the concern, you can indicate it in your comment as well, we shall then compile any comments that emerge and make a statement off it thereof.
Here is the url to the googledocs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kr4uH3IGv-LNzsO27twEiTlmRBUUAab5JzgNqGCh...
Kindly put in your comments as soon as possible.
Regards Seun - AFRALO Chair
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:45 AM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Members,
The ALS mobilisation working party has completed its work and the report is hereby attached for our comments. These report makes recommendations on how present and future ALSes will operate within AFRALO and At-large as a whole, hence it is important that members look at the report and provide any feedback to on this.
You may put your comments on this list(in response to my mail) or you may write to me directly or to any of the AFRALO officers in copy. We shall then attempt to put the various comments together in form of a statement. I suggest we take the next 2 weeks for this as the ALAC may be finalising on the report during the next ALAC meeting. I will appreciate that comments are brief and specific with reference to specific heading and page number in the document. I will attempt to provide 2 examples below:
*What to expect from an ALS(page 3/4):* The 3rd paragraph seem to give more decision powers to the ALT, when it should rather be the entire ALAC that would grant such a waiver. Preferrably such waiver may be receievd and granted by each RALO leadership to avoid weilding too much power to the center
*Withdrawal of Accreditation (page 16):* Bullet point 3 under item 2 suggests that staff should notify the ALAC Chair who then oversees the process, i think it should rather be a notification to the RALO leadership (perhaps with ALAC Chair in copy) and the RALO leadership should oversee the process with an action recommendation to the ALAC (through the ALAC Chair)
Finally, while we have earlier invited the Chair of the working party in person of Alan Greenberg to our special purpose call in the past, there may be another call/webinar that will be scheduled. I will provide more details about that as soon as i have it.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *Alan Greenberg* <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 20:27 Subject: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp@icann.org>
Please find attached the Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party (ALS-Mob-WP).
I will be happy to formally make a presentation to the ALAC and At-Large Community at Maureen's convenience, and I can also do presentations to any RALO that wishes.
The report is the result of ten months of work by the WP. Everything in it was determined by consensus and the vast majority by unanimous consensus.
The next step is a review by the ALAC and RALOs. Presumably the latter will be initiated by the ALAC Members from each region.
Once the ALAC, with the support of the RALOs provides approval, the substance of the report will go to the ICANN Board for their agreement (or non-objection). Any Bylaw changes will be submitted to the Board and would be subject to the standard Bylaw amendment procedure as specified under Bylaws Article 25. In parallel with this report being submitted to the ALAC, the proposed Bylaw changes are being submitted to the Office of the General Counsel for their review and comments.
Should the ALAC or Board require further modifications to the report, the WP will be reconvened.
I will be happy to address and questions, comments or concerns.
Alan_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
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*Seun Ojedeji, Mobile: +2348035233535*
Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!
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Greetings all and thank you Sarah for your final input. I have to say that these discussions here were finally very instructive for me on the concern. Thank you all for your spirit of volunteerism. You all merit our respect and consideration for the great work which is done since a while in this ecosystem. There is a lot of experience to acquire related to the topic of governance, in general. Kudo to you all and keep up the great work ! Warm regards Olévié Le jeu. 12 nov. 2020 à 05:39, Sarah Kiden <skiden@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hello Pastor Peters and all,
I agree with Seun's comments. Please see my responses inline below.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 1:37 PM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Pastor Peters,
Kindly see inline:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Peters Omoragbon < petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Seun and All. I have made my inputs into the Google document as requested.
SO: Hmm...i can't find your inputs on the document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kr4uH3IGv-LNzsO27twEiTlmRBUUAab5JzgNqGCh... It seem you made a different copy off it? you may put your comment on the googledocs link shared above so that all comments are on the same document for our deliberations.
Now flowing from the call last night, I think it will be expedient for us to articulate our position as a RALO taking in all suggestions. You heard the masked remarks last night by Alan, after my intervention when he said ALAC maybe inclined to act upon our proposal if its a RALO proposal and not an individual, which to me was misplaced. My position from time has not been an individual position but that of my ALS. I represent my ALS and not myself. Some of our leaders in icann are not able to separate both.
SO: It has been my understanding that RALO's input will be required and it's much better that we agree on our inputs as RALO and present the same. So i think members' comments from RALO are indeed what is being requested now.
Another danger in the current call of yesterday and tomorrow is a ploy to give ALAC an undemocratic mandate to rail road this New proposal to the Board with the claim that the Community including all RALOs have been given the opportunity to discuss the new proposal and they will put into vote. Maureen has a majority of sympathisers in ALAC that can push this through. Which is why AFRALO may have to 1. Formally write to ALAC to stand down ANY decision on this document until we have enough time of about 40 days as recalled by Sebastian last night or 2. Work hard in the next 2wks to put up an Afralo position FOR ALAC.
SO: I think it's important to note that we are all At-Large, while our RALO may have observations on the report, other RALOs have their views as well and we have to find a common ground that works for the majority (if not all). AFRALO will make her comments on the report as the ALAC has provided the current window for that hence there is no decision at ALAC level to call a stay on.
One danger those of us sitting on the fence is not sering is the implication of this new ALS guidelines if not checked. 1. ALAC wants to assume FULL control over the entire community defeating the purpose of the principles of icann in terms of multi stakeholders consensus on issues. 2. RALOs are being gradually made redundant and with time may be done away with, if not why would anyone propose that ALAC over sees the activities of RALOs or that ALAC deal directly with Als and not through RALO. 3. In the nearest future, the plan is to do away with ALSes and rely on individual members. Icann will soon become an individual organisation as opposed to organisational representation. Reason is not far fetched, all the current people leading on this new draconian changes do not belong to any organisation in their constituency even if they do, they re no more but are involved in icann as individuals. Which is fine but they should not destroy the very fabric of what make icann what it is today. 4. Why would Alan refused to have the entire community look at the draft and make recommendations before asking ALAC to revirw instead of taking it straight to ALAC and now we are being made to look over a document that took one year to develop in a 2 hour call. I can't get it. All the suggestions last night appeared to be a waste of bcos he said it is left for ALAC to accept or not and no more the WP! ALAC is composed of two third elected members by RALOs. Its like Board or shares in a company. The RALOs have the largest numbers of shares and should be the ones to call the shot and not the other way. It is the dog that wags the tail and not the tail wagging the dog.
SO: I like to call for caution Pastor Peters, while we may have our strong opinions, I think we should engage one another with an open mind. As you may already know, the call that occured yesterday and the one that will be held tomorrow was a request by the RALO leaders and it was largely informational. Alan was actually right that the report is now in the hands of the ALAC unless ALAC explicitly asks the WP to oversee the gathering of feedback from RALOs which is not the case. When we review the report and get to a section where point of clarification is required, that would be to the WP members (including the Chair Alan) but when we have comments for modification we are to talk to ALAC because that is where the report sits at the moment. Yes I would have preferred ALAC asking the WP to coordinate this phase of community engagement but that route was not taken by ALAC so lets work with what we have.
Finally, Seun and the Exco of AFRALO, the AFRALO call that was initiated
by my petition against the leadership of the WP did make about 3 resolutions that was to be written to ALAC after the meeting. Why was this not done because I cannot recall seeing that document till date. Please, Seun and Sarah to please address us on this.
SO: During the call that your referred to, action item given to the AFRALO leadership was to communicate to the Chair of ALAC on the importance of engaging the RALOs once the final draft report was submitted to ALAC which was done, and i understand that the engagement is what we are having at the moment. Could this particular phase have been handled differently, maybe but we shall work with what we have.
SK: This step was in fact completed in June 2020 by the AFRALO Chair, who sent a request to the ALAC Chair that comments from RALOs be sought before the final report is considered. I believe we still have an opportunity to make our comments in the document shared by Seun and then send this as AFRALO feedback. I note that you have already added comments into the document. I believe these comments will be addressed.
Thanks,
Sarah
Whatever it is worth, I have been like a lonely voice in the wilderness while a lot of us are muted and I'm been seen as a bad guy, but the fallout from these if not checked will not affect our Als alone. Yesterday someone said to Seun that the WP did not think along his line of thoughts on the points he raised if not it would have been dealt with. That was pure fallacy because I did both during calls and in writing but some people just don't care because it is coming from Pastor Peters. You cannot cut off your nose to spite your face remember.
SO: The rules we are talking about is supposed to be in the interest of At-Large, i can assure you that this is not about an individual so you are actually not alone, from my count there were at least 7 members from AFRALO that participated in the WP (though at different levels). Let's make sure we put in our comments during this phase, even if it was missed in the past, there is still an opportunity to voice them out, if we agree on them then we take them as our RALO's view
Regards
Have a good day everyone. Posterity will judge all of us rightly or wrongly. Shallom. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> ------------------------------ *From:* AFRI-Discuss <afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:32:24 AM *To:* afri-discuss <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Cc:* aziz hilali <abdelaziz.hilali@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Call for comments (was Fwd: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party)
Dear Members,
As agreed during our last monthly call, we have put the final draft of the report on googledocs. *Please do not suggest edits but rather add comments on any section of the document that you find to be of concern*, if you have a solution to the concern, you can indicate it in your comment as well, we shall then compile any comments that emerge and make a statement off it thereof.
Here is the url to the googledocs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kr4uH3IGv-LNzsO27twEiTlmRBUUAab5JzgNqGCh...
Kindly put in your comments as soon as possible.
Regards Seun - AFRALO Chair
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:45 AM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Members,
The ALS mobilisation working party has completed its work and the report is hereby attached for our comments. These report makes recommendations on how present and future ALSes will operate within AFRALO and At-large as a whole, hence it is important that members look at the report and provide any feedback to on this.
You may put your comments on this list(in response to my mail) or you may write to me directly or to any of the AFRALO officers in copy. We shall then attempt to put the various comments together in form of a statement. I suggest we take the next 2 weeks for this as the ALAC may be finalising on the report during the next ALAC meeting. I will appreciate that comments are brief and specific with reference to specific heading and page number in the document. I will attempt to provide 2 examples below:
*What to expect from an ALS(page 3/4):* The 3rd paragraph seem to give more decision powers to the ALT, when it should rather be the entire ALAC that would grant such a waiver. Preferrably such waiver may be receievd and granted by each RALO leadership to avoid weilding too much power to the center
*Withdrawal of Accreditation (page 16):* Bullet point 3 under item 2 suggests that staff should notify the ALAC Chair who then oversees the process, i think it should rather be a notification to the RALO leadership (perhaps with ALAC Chair in copy) and the RALO leadership should oversee the process with an action recommendation to the ALAC (through the ALAC Chair)
Finally, while we have earlier invited the Chair of the working party in person of Alan Greenberg to our special purpose call in the past, there may be another call/webinar that will be scheduled. I will provide more details about that as soon as i have it.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *Alan Greenberg* <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 20:27 Subject: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp@icann.org>
Please find attached the Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party (ALS-Mob-WP).
I will be happy to formally make a presentation to the ALAC and At-Large Community at Maureen's convenience, and I can also do presentations to any RALO that wishes.
The report is the result of ten months of work by the WP. Everything in it was determined by consensus and the vast majority by unanimous consensus.
The next step is a review by the ALAC and RALOs. Presumably the latter will be initiated by the ALAC Members from each region.
Once the ALAC, with the support of the RALOs provides approval, the substance of the report will go to the ICANN Board for their agreement (or non-objection). Any Bylaw changes will be submitted to the Board and would be subject to the standard Bylaw amendment procedure as specified under Bylaws Article 25. In parallel with this report being submitted to the ALAC, the proposed Bylaw changes are being submitted to the Office of the General Counsel for their review and comments.
Should the ALAC or Board require further modifications to the report, the WP will be reconvened.
I will be happy to address and questions, comments or concerns.
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Dear members, This is to thank those who have made their comments on the report, I encourage members to respond to the various comments made in support or otherwise so we can get to closure on some of them. We will have a single purpose call to address few comments that proves unresolvable through our discussions on Googledocs. Here is the URL to the report and comments thereof: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kr4uH3IGv-LNzsO27twEiTlmRBUUAab5JzgNqGCh... Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Thu, 22 Oct 2020, 07:45 Seun Ojedeji, <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Members,
The ALS mobilisation working party has completed its work and the report is hereby attached for our comments. These report makes recommendations on how present and future ALSes will operate within AFRALO and At-large as a whole, hence it is important that members look at the report and provide any feedback to on this.
You may put your comments on this list(in response to my mail) or you may write to me directly or to any of the AFRALO officers in copy. We shall then attempt to put the various comments together in form of a statement. I suggest we take the next 2 weeks for this as the ALAC may be finalising on the report during the next ALAC meeting. I will appreciate that comments are brief and specific with reference to specific heading and page number in the document. I will attempt to provide 2 examples below:
*What to expect from an ALS(page 3/4):* The 3rd paragraph seem to give more decision powers to the ALT, when it should rather be the entire ALAC that would grant such a waiver. Preferrably such waiver may be receievd and granted by each RALO leadership to avoid weilding too much power to the center
*Withdrawal of Accreditation (page 16):* Bullet point 3 under item 2 suggests that staff should notify the ALAC Chair who then oversees the process, i think it should rather be a notification to the RALO leadership (perhaps with ALAC Chair in copy) and the RALO leadership should oversee the process with an action recommendation to the ALAC (through the ALAC Chair)
Finally, while we have earlier invited the Chair of the working party in person of Alan Greenberg to our special purpose call in the past, there may be another call/webinar that will be scheduled. I will provide more details about that as soon as i have it.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 20:27 Subject: [ALAC] Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp@icann.org>
Please find attached the Final Report of the ALS Mobilization Working Party (ALS-Mob-WP).
I will be happy to formally make a presentation to the ALAC and At-Large Community at Maureen's convenience, and I can also do presentations to any RALO that wishes.
The report is the result of ten months of work by the WP. Everything in it was determined by consensus and the vast majority by unanimous consensus.
The next step is a review by the ALAC and RALOs. Presumably the latter will be initiated by the ALAC Members from each region.
Once the ALAC, with the support of the RALOs provides approval, the substance of the report will go to the ICANN Board for their agreement (or non-objection). Any Bylaw changes will be submitted to the Board and would be subject to the standard Bylaw amendment procedure as specified under Bylaws Article 25. In parallel with this report being submitted to the ALAC, the proposed Bylaw changes are being submitted to the Office of the General Counsel for their review and comments.
Should the ALAC or Board require further modifications to the report, the WP will be reconvened.
I will be happy to address and questions, comments or concerns.
Alan_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
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Olivier Kouami -
Peters Omoragbon -
Sarah Kiden -
Seun Ojedeji