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I concur with Barrack's suggestion on capacity building on 'DNS abuse' to the end users On Friday, January 10, 2020, 04:19:32 PM GMT+2, afri-discuss-request@atlarge-lists.icann.org <afri-discuss-request@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Send AFRI-Discuss mailing list submissions to afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to afri-discuss-request@atlarge-lists.icann.org You can reach the person managing the list at afri-discuss-owner@atlarge-lists.icann.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AFRI-Discuss digest..." Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a... - - - - -Today's Topics: 1. Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Call for topics: Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting for ICANN67 (Wisdom Donkor) 2. Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Call for topics: Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting for ICANN67 (Barrack Otieno) +1 to Barrack's proposal. WISDOM DONKOR President & CEOAfrica Open Data and Internet Research FoundationP.O. Box CT 2439, Cantonments, Accra | www.aodirf.org / www.afrigeocon.org Tel: +233 20 812 8851Skype: wisdom_dk | Facebook: kwasi wisdom | Twitter: @wisdom_dk __________________________________________________Specialization:E-government Network Infrastructure and E-application, Internet Governance, Open Data policies platforms & Community Development, Cyber Security, Domain Name Systems, Software Engineering, Event Planning & Management, On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:42 AM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sarah and colleagues, I would like to propose the following topic; Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa. Regards On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm Robert Nkambwe via AFRI-Discuss, <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Thanks for sharing Sarah. Robert On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 10:41:47 PM GMT+3, Sarah Kiden <skiden@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Colleagues, I hope this email finds you well. The ICANN67 Meeting is scheduled for March 7 - 12, 2020 in Cancún, Mexico. As with previous ICANN meetings, we plan to hold the Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting. We would like to invite you to submit topics for this session. Our previous statements have focused on issues like: evolving the ICANN Multistakeholder model, New gTLD Subsequent Procedures, enhancing ICANN accountability, etc. Please see our previous statements here. Please see our proposed timeline: Call for topics: 9 - 16 January 2020 Topic announcement and call for drafting team: 17 - 22 January 2020 Drafting of Statement: 23 January - 13 February 2020 Send Statement to Staff for translation: 14 February 2020 Please send your suggested topics by Thursday, 16 January 2020, after which the drafting team will prepare a draft statement that will be shared with the rest of the members. Looking forward to your contributions. 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You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. Good points Mark and El, I think the end user has been missing in the DNS Security conversation yet they are actually the ones who speak with their pockets, if i may use a Kenyan Proverb. An enlightened end user is an empowered end user. As we bring the next billion users online cases of DNS abuse will definately increase. If governments feel that industry players have not control they will definately step in and thats what we are avoiding. Regards On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 4:55 pm Dr Eberhard W Lisse, <el@lisse.na> wrote: Gabdibé, drafting a resolution (beforehand), or even debating a resolution, is going to achieve absolutely nothing. Mark, 50% lookups is actually almost worth than zero :-)-). And how many of those hit infrastructure actually in South Africa? Does the figure include the public ones from Google and Cloudflare? My view is that this only works All-or-Nothing, because noncompliant commercial resolver operators have a commercial advantage over complaint ones. Financial incentives may work as may financial or other sanctions. One could even make it part of the Accreditation that DNSSEC must be offered by the Registrars. But while the Registrars are usually the entities operating the DNS and as such have control over the end-user's DNS anyway, the chain of trust should go up to the end user and not just the Registrar. Talking to the banks has so far not been very effective, they are happy with HTTPS even though they forget to renew their certificate on a regular basis, never mind the expense. I don't have the answer either. If anyone has a technical "solution" or project going on, and is coming to Cancun, please feel free to propose a presentation at TechDay on the Monday. greetings, el On 10/01/2020 15:26, Mark Elkins wrote:
I also like the sound of Barrack's proposal. What exactly does "DNS Abuse" mean though?
If it is to try and get all important Domains DNSSEC Signed and for all DNS Resolvers to become DNSSEC aware - that would be a winner in my book!
Incidentally - about 50% of all DNS lookups in South Africa are DNSSEC aware. That's actually the easy bit. Just have the Internet Connection suppliers enable DNSSEC on their resolvers.
Getting the bulk or at least the important Domains DNSSEC Signed will be a bit more challenging but is quite possible; e.g. any domain for a website which may involve a financial transaction or deal with personal information.
On my Domain Registration and Hosting Platform, if I am running the Registrants DNS (Zone file), DNSSEC is simply an option the Registrant can switch on. I could change that and simply enable it for everyone. However, if the Domain is then moved to a Registrar that does not support DNSSEC - there would be issues for the new Registrar.
On 2020/01/10 14:20, Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE wrote:
Dear All, I support Barrack's proposal. Building the capacity of African end users on the general question related to the DNS is very important. Kind regards Gabdibé
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Greetings from Cotonou Bénin +1 @Barrack proposal. . please could I add another topic ? If yes, please do note this "How the ICANN multi-stakeholder model works: end-user view.'' Thank you Olévié KOUAMI Le sam. 11 janv. 2020 à 19:13, Punana Lebo via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
I concur with Barrack's suggestion on capacity building on 'DNS abuse' to the end users
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:42 AM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarah and colleagues,
I would like to propose the following topic;
Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa.
Regards
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm Robert Nkambwe via AFRI-Discuss, < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Thanks for sharing Sarah.
Robert
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Dear Colleagues,
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Please see our proposed timeline: Call for topics: 9 - 16 January 2020 Topic announcement and call for drafting team: 17 - 22 January 2020 Drafting of Statement: 23 January - 13 February 2020 Send Statement to Staff for translation: 14 February 2020
Please send your suggested topics by *Thursday, 16 January 2020*, after which the drafting team will prepare a draft statement that will be shared with the rest of the members.
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Good points Mark and El,
I think the end user has been missing in the DNS Security conversation yet they are actually the ones who speak with their pockets, if i may use a Kenyan Proverb. An enlightened end user is an empowered end user. As we bring the next billion users online cases of DNS abuse will definately increase. If governments feel that industry players have not control they will definately step in and thats what we are avoiding.
Regards
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 4:55 pm Dr Eberhard W Lisse, <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Gabdibé,
drafting a resolution (beforehand), or even debating a resolution, is going to achieve absolutely nothing.
Mark,
50% lookups is actually almost worth than zero :-)-).
And how many of those hit infrastructure actually in South Africa? Does the figure include the public ones from Google and Cloudflare?
My view is that this only works All-or-Nothing, because noncompliant commercial resolver operators have a commercial advantage over complaint ones.
Financial incentives may work as may financial or other sanctions.
One could even make it part of the Accreditation that DNSSEC must be offered by the Registrars.
But while the Registrars are usually the entities operating the DNS and as such have control over the end-user's DNS anyway, the chain of trust should go up to the end user and not just the Registrar.
Talking to the banks has so far not been very effective, they are happy with HTTPS even though they forget to renew their certificate on a regular basis, never mind the expense.
I don't have the answer either.
If anyone has a technical "solution" or project going on, and is coming to Cancun, please feel free to propose a presentation at TechDay on the Monday.
greetings, el
On 10/01/2020 15:26, Mark Elkins wrote:
I also like the sound of Barrack's proposal. What exactly does "DNS Abuse" mean though?
If it is to try and get all important Domains DNSSEC Signed and for all DNS Resolvers to become DNSSEC aware - that would be a winner in my book!
Incidentally - about 50% of all DNS lookups in South Africa are DNSSEC aware. That's actually the easy bit. Just have the Internet Connection suppliers enable DNSSEC on their resolvers.
Getting the bulk or at least the important Domains DNSSEC Signed will be a bit more challenging but is quite possible; e.g. any domain for a website which may involve a financial transaction or deal with personal information.
On my Domain Registration and Hosting Platform, if I am running the Registrants DNS (Zone file), DNSSEC is simply an option the Registrant can switch on. I could change that and simply enable it for everyone. However, if the Domain is then moved to a Registrar that does not support DNSSEC - there would be issues for the new Registrar.
On 2020/01/10 14:20, Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE wrote:
Dear All, I support Barrack's proposal. Building the capacity of African end users on the general question related to the DNS is very important. Kind regards Gabdibé
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Greetings from Cotonou Bénin +1 @Barrack proposal. . please could I add another topic ? If yes, please do note this "How the ICANN multi-stakeholder model works: end-user view.'' Thank you Olévié KOUAMI
Le sam. 11 janv. 2020 à 19:13, Punana Lebo via AFRI-Discuss <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
I concur with Barrack's suggestion on capacity building on 'DNS abuse' to the end users
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WISDOM DONKOR President & CEO Africa Open Data and Internet Research Foundation P.O. Box CT 2439, Cantonments, Accra | www.aodirf.org[1] / www.afrigeocon.org[2] Tel: +233 20 812 8851 Skype: wisdom_dk | Facebook: kwasi wisdom | Twitter: @wisdom_dk
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:42 AM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarah and colleagues, I would like to propose the following topic; Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa. Regards
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm Robert Nkambwe via AFRI-Discuss, <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Thanks for sharing Sarah. Robert
On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 10:41:47 PM GMT+3, Sarah Kiden <skiden@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Colleagues, I hope this email finds you well. The ICANN67 Meeting is scheduled for March 7 - 12, 2020 in Cancún, Mexico. As with previous ICANN meetings, we plan to hold the Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting. We would like to invite you to submit topics for this session. Our previous statements have focused on issues like: evolving the ICANN Multistakeholder model, New gTLD Subsequent Procedures, enhancing ICANN accountability, etc. Please see our previous statements here[3]. Please see our proposed timeline: Call for topics: 9 - 16 January 2020 Topic announcement and call for drafting team: 17 - 22 January 2020 Drafting of Statement: 23 January - 13 February 2020 Send Statement to Staff for translation: 14 February 2020 Please send your suggested topics by THURSDAY, 16 JANUARY 2020, after which the drafting team will prepare a draft statement that will be shared with the rest of the members. Looking forward to your contributions. Kind regards, Sarah Kiden AFRALO Secretariat
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Good points Mark and El, I think the end user has been missing in the DNS Security conversation yet they are actually the ones who speak with their pockets, if i may use a Kenyan Proverb. An enlightened end user is an empowered end user. As we bring the next billion users online cases of DNS abuse will definately increase. If governments feel that industry players have not control they will definately step in and thats what we are avoiding. Regards
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 4:55 pm Dr Eberhard W Lisse, <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Gabdibé,
drafting a resolution (beforehand), or even debating a resolution, is going to achieve absolutely nothing.
Mark,
50% lookups is actually almost worth than zero :-)-).
And how many of those hit infrastructure actually in South Africa? Does the figure include the public ones from Google and Cloudflare?
My view is that this only works All-or-Nothing, because noncompliant commercial resolver operators have a commercial advantage over complaint ones.
Financial incentives may work as may financial or other sanctions.
One could even make it part of the Accreditation that DNSSEC must be offered by the Registrars.
But while the Registrars are usually the entities operating the DNS and as such have control over the end-user's DNS anyway,
chain of trust should go up to the end user and not just the Registrar.
Talking to the banks has so far not been very effective,
Thank you Barrack for your proposal. DNS Abuse is indeed one of the hottest topics at ICANN today. As you know, the spirit of the AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting is to build an African community opinion about a hot topic at ICANN and formulate it in a statement that we send to the ICANN Board and the concerned parties to make our voice heard and to give us more credibility and more visibility. "Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa" isn't a hot topic for ICANN that will permit us build a position on it and send it to the ICANN Board. I propose to address the main topic of DNS Abuse. I hope this can help. Tijani Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> a écrit : the they
are happy with HTTPS even though they forget to renew their certificate on a regular basis, never mind the expense.
I don't have the answer either.
If anyone has a technical "solution" or project going on, and is coming to Cancun, please feel free to propose a presentation at TechDay on the Monday.
greetings, el
On 10/01/2020 15:26, Mark Elkins wrote:
I also like the sound of Barrack's proposal. What exactly does "DNS Abuse" mean though?
If it is to try and get all important Domains DNSSEC Signed and for all DNS Resolvers to become DNSSEC aware - that would be a winner in my book!
Incidentally - about 50% of all DNS lookups in South Africa are DNSSEC aware. That's actually the easy bit. Just have the Internet Connection suppliers enable DNSSEC on their resolvers.
Getting the bulk or at least the important Domains DNSSEC Signed will be a bit more challenging but is quite possible; e.g. any domain for a website which may involve a financial transaction or deal with personal information.
On my Domain Registration and Hosting Platform, if I am running the Registrants DNS (Zone file), DNSSEC is simply an option the Registrant can switch on. I could change that and simply enable it for everyone. However, if the Domain is then moved to a Registrar that does not support DNSSEC - there would be issues for the new Registrar.
On 2020/01/10 14:20, Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE wrote:
Dear All, I support Barrack's proposal. Building the capacity of African end users on the general question related to the DNS is very important. Kind regards Gabdibé
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Thank you Tijani. Your position is understandable. I concurr Olevie Le mar. 14 janv. 2020 à 16:03, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> a écrit :
Thank you Barrack for your proposal. DNS Abuse is indeed one of the hottest topics at ICANN today. As you know, the spirit of the AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting is to build an African community opinion about a hot topic at ICANN and formulate it in a statement that we send to the ICANN Board and the concerned parties to make our voice heard and to give us more credibility and more visibility.
"Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa" isn't a hot topic for ICANN that will permit us build a position on it and send it to the ICANN Board. I propose to address the main topic of DNS Abuse.
I hope this can help.
Tijani
Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> a écrit :
Greetings from Cotonou Bénin
+1 @Barrack proposal. . please could I add another topic ? If yes, please do note this
"How the ICANN multi-stakeholder model works: end-user view.''
Thank you Olévié KOUAMI
Le sam. 11 janv. 2020 à 19:13, Punana Lebo via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
I concur with Barrack's suggestion on capacity building on 'DNS abuse' to the end users
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:42 AM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarah and colleagues,
I would like to propose the following topic;
Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa.
Regards
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm Robert Nkambwe via AFRI-Discuss, < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Thanks for sharing Sarah.
Robert
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Please see our proposed timeline: Call for topics: 9 - 16 January 2020 Topic announcement and call for drafting team: 17 - 22 January 2020 Drafting of Statement: 23 January - 13 February 2020 Send Statement to Staff for translation: 14 February 2020
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Good points Mark and El,
I think the end user has been missing in the DNS Security conversation yet they are actually the ones who speak with their pockets, if i may use a Kenyan Proverb. An enlightened end user is an empowered end user. As we bring the next billion users online cases of DNS abuse will definately increase. If governments feel that industry players have not control they will definately step in and thats what we are avoiding.
Regards
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 4:55 pm Dr Eberhard W Lisse, <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Gabdibé,
drafting a resolution (beforehand), or even debating a resolution, is going to achieve absolutely nothing.
Mark,
50% lookups is actually almost worth than zero :-)-).
And how many of those hit infrastructure actually in South Africa? Does the figure include the public ones from Google and Cloudflare?
My view is that this only works All-or-Nothing, because noncompliant commercial resolver operators have a commercial advantage over complaint ones.
Financial incentives may work as may financial or other sanctions.
One could even make it part of the Accreditation that DNSSEC must be offered by the Registrars.
But while the Registrars are usually the entities operating the DNS and as such have control over the end-user's DNS anyway, the chain of trust should go up to the end user and not just the Registrar.
Talking to the banks has so far not been very effective, they are happy with HTTPS even though they forget to renew their certificate on a regular basis, never mind the expense.
I don't have the answer either.
If anyone has a technical "solution" or project going on, and is coming to Cancun, please feel free to propose a presentation at TechDay on the Monday.
greetings, el
On 10/01/2020 15:26, Mark Elkins wrote:
I also like the sound of Barrack's proposal. What exactly does "DNS Abuse" mean though?
If it is to try and get all important Domains DNSSEC Signed and for all DNS Resolvers to become DNSSEC aware - that would be a winner in my book!
Incidentally - about 50% of all DNS lookups in South Africa are DNSSEC aware. That's actually the easy bit. Just have the Internet Connection suppliers enable DNSSEC on their resolvers.
Getting the bulk or at least the important Domains DNSSEC Signed will be a bit more challenging but is quite possible; e.g. any domain for a website which may involve a financial transaction or deal with personal information.
On my Domain Registration and Hosting Platform, if I am running the Registrants DNS (Zone file), DNSSEC is simply an option the Registrant can switch on. I could change that and simply enable it for everyone. However, if the Domain is then moved to a Registrar that does not support DNSSEC - there would be issues for the new Registrar.
On 2020/01/10 14:20, Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE wrote:
Dear All, I support Barrack's proposal. Building the capacity of African end users on the general question related to the DNS is very important. Kind regards Gabdibé
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Dear Tijani, I do support your argument as outlined below and sincerely think that on the topic of DNS abuse we can make a strong statement to the ICANN Board Thanks and kind regards Dave Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:
Thank you Barrack for your proposal. DNS Abuse is indeed one of the hottest topics at ICANN today. As you know, the spirit of the AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting is to build an African community opinion about a hot topic at ICANN and formulate it in a statement that we send to the ICANN Board and the concerned parties to make our voice heard and to give us more credibility and more visibility.
"Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa" isn't a hot topic for ICANN that will permit us build a position on it and send it to the ICANN Board. I propose to address the main topic of DNS Abuse.
I hope this can help.
Tijani
Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> a écrit :
Greetings from Cotonou Bénin
+1 @Barrack proposal. . please could I add another topic ? If yes, please do note this
"How the ICANN multi-stakeholder model works: end-user view.''
Thank you Olévié KOUAMI
Le sam. 11 janv. 2020 à 19:13, Punana Lebo via AFRI-Discuss <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit : I concur with Barrack's suggestion on capacity building on 'DNS abuse' to the end users
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:42 AM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sarah and colleagues,
I would like to propose the following topic;
Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa.
Regards
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm Robert Nkambwe via AFRI-Discuss, <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Thanks for sharing Sarah.
Robert
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Please see our proposed timeline: Call for topics: 9 - 16 January 2020 Topic announcement and call for drafting team: 17 - 22 January 2020 Drafting of Statement: 23 January - 13 February 2020 Send Statement to Staff for translation: 14 February 2020
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I think the end user has been missing in the DNS Security conversation yet they are actually the ones who speak with their pockets, if i may use a Kenyan Proverb. An enlightened end user is an empowered end user. As we bring the next billion users online cases of DNS abuse will definately increase. If governments feel that industry players have not control they will definately step in and thats what we are avoiding.
Regards
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 4:55 pm Dr Eberhard W Lisse, <el@lisse.na> wrote: Gabdibé,
drafting a resolution (beforehand), or even debating a resolution, is going to achieve absolutely nothing.
Mark,
50% lookups is actually almost worth than zero :-)-).
And how many of those hit infrastructure actually in South Africa? Does the figure include the public ones from Google and Cloudflare?
My view is that this only works All-or-Nothing, because noncompliant commercial resolver operators have a commercial advantage over complaint ones.
Financial incentives may work as may financial or other sanctions.
One could even make it part of the Accreditation that DNSSEC must be offered by the Registrars.
But while the Registrars are usually the entities operating the DNS and as such have control over the end-user's DNS anyway, the chain of trust should go up to the end user and not just the Registrar.
Talking to the banks has so far not been very effective, they are happy with HTTPS even though they forget to renew their certificate on a regular basis, never mind the expense.
I don't have the answer either.
If anyone has a technical "solution" or project going on, and is coming to Cancun, please feel free to propose a presentation at TechDay on the Monday.
greetings, el
On 10/01/2020 15:26, Mark Elkins wrote:
I also like the sound of Barrack's proposal. What exactly does "DNS Abuse" mean though?
If it is to try and get all important Domains DNSSEC Signed and for all DNS Resolvers to become DNSSEC aware - that would be a winner in my book!
Incidentally - about 50% of all DNS lookups in South Africa are DNSSEC aware. That's actually the easy bit. Just have the Internet Connection suppliers enable DNSSEC on their resolvers.
Getting the bulk or at least the important Domains DNSSEC Signed will be a bit more challenging but is quite possible; e.g. any domain for a website which may involve a financial transaction or deal with personal information.
On my Domain Registration and Hosting Platform, if I am running the Registrants DNS (Zone file), DNSSEC is simply an option the Registrant can switch on. I could change that and simply enable it for everyone. However, if the Domain is then moved to a Registrar that does not support DNSSEC - there would be issues for the new Registrar.
On 2020/01/10 14:20, Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE wrote:
Dear All, I support Barrack's proposal. Building the capacity of African end users on the general question related to the DNS is very important. Kind regards Gabdibé
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I also agree with the topic of DNS Abuse. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 16:19 Dave Kissoondoyal <dave@igf-mu.org> wrote:
Dear Tijani,
I do support your argument as outlined below and sincerely think that on the topic of DNS abuse we can make a strong statement to the ICANN Board
Thanks and kind regards
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:
Thank you Barrack for your proposal. DNS Abuse is indeed one of the hottest topics at ICANN today. As you know, the spirit of the AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting is to build an African community opinion about a hot topic at ICANN and formulate it in a statement that we send to the ICANN Board and the concerned parties to make our voice heard and to give us more credibility and more visibility.
"Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa" isn't a hot topic for ICANN that will permit us build a position on it and send it to the ICANN Board. I propose to address the main topic of DNS Abuse.
I hope this can help.
Tijani
Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> a écrit :
Greetings from Cotonou Bénin
+1 @Barrack proposal. . please could I add another topic ? If yes, please do note this
"How the ICANN multi-stakeholder model works: end-user view.''
Thank you Olévié KOUAMI
Le sam. 11 janv. 2020 à 19:13, Punana Lebo via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
I concur with Barrack's suggestion on capacity building on 'DNS abuse' to the end users
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:42 AM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarah and colleagues,
I would like to propose the following topic;
Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa.
Regards
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm Robert Nkambwe via AFRI-Discuss, < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Thanks for sharing Sarah.
Robert
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Please see our proposed timeline: Call for topics: 9 - 16 January 2020 Topic announcement and call for drafting team: 17 - 22 January 2020 Drafting of Statement: 23 January - 13 February 2020 Send Statement to Staff for translation: 14 February 2020
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Good points Mark and El,
I think the end user has been missing in the DNS Security conversation yet they are actually the ones who speak with their pockets, if i may use a Kenyan Proverb. An enlightened end user is an empowered end user. As we bring the next billion users online cases of DNS abuse will definately increase. If governments feel that industry players have not control they will definately step in and thats what we are avoiding.
Regards
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 4:55 pm Dr Eberhard W Lisse, <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Gabdibé,
drafting a resolution (beforehand), or even debating a resolution, is going to achieve absolutely nothing.
Mark,
50% lookups is actually almost worth than zero :-)-).
And how many of those hit infrastructure actually in South Africa? Does the figure include the public ones from Google and Cloudflare?
My view is that this only works All-or-Nothing, because noncompliant commercial resolver operators have a commercial advantage over complaint ones.
Financial incentives may work as may financial or other sanctions.
One could even make it part of the Accreditation that DNSSEC must be offered by the Registrars.
But while the Registrars are usually the entities operating the DNS and as such have control over the end-user's DNS anyway, the chain of trust should go up to the end user and not just the Registrar.
Talking to the banks has so far not been very effective, they are happy with HTTPS even though they forget to renew their certificate on a regular basis, never mind the expense.
I don't have the answer either.
If anyone has a technical "solution" or project going on, and is coming to Cancun, please feel free to propose a presentation at TechDay on the Monday.
greetings, el
On 10/01/2020 15:26, Mark Elkins wrote:
I also like the sound of Barrack's proposal. What exactly does "DNS Abuse" mean though?
If it is to try and get all important Domains DNSSEC Signed and for all DNS Resolvers to become DNSSEC aware - that would be a winner in my book!
Incidentally - about 50% of all DNS lookups in South Africa are DNSSEC aware. That's actually the easy bit. Just have the Internet Connection suppliers enable DNSSEC on their resolvers.
Getting the bulk or at least the important Domains DNSSEC Signed will be a bit more challenging but is quite possible; e.g. any domain for a website which may involve a financial transaction or deal with personal information.
On my Domain Registration and Hosting Platform, if I am running the Registrants DNS (Zone file), DNSSEC is simply an option the Registrant can switch on. I could change that and simply enable it for everyone. However, if the Domain is then moved to a Registrar that does not support DNSSEC - there would be issues for the new Registrar.
On 2020/01/10 14:20, Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE wrote:
Dear All, I support Barrack's proposal. Building the capacity of African end users on the general question related to the DNS is very important. Kind regards Gabdibé
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Dear Tijani and colleagues, This is noted with thanks, we can frame the topic in way that has the most impact. My thoughts are if we don't address the issue in the long term, out Governments will step in and we know what that means. Regards On Tue, 14 Jan 2020, 6:03 pm Tijani BEN JEMAA, <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:
Thank you Barrack for your proposal. DNS Abuse is indeed one of the hottest topics at ICANN today. As you know, the spirit of the AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting is to build an African community opinion about a hot topic at ICANN and formulate it in a statement that we send to the ICANN Board and the concerned parties to make our voice heard and to give us more credibility and more visibility.
"Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa" isn't a hot topic for ICANN that will permit us build a position on it and send it to the ICANN Board. I propose to address the main topic of DNS Abuse.
I hope this can help.
Tijani
Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> a écrit :
Greetings from Cotonou Bénin
+1 @Barrack proposal. . please could I add another topic ? If yes, please do note this
"How the ICANN multi-stakeholder model works: end-user view.''
Thank you Olévié KOUAMI
Le sam. 11 janv. 2020 à 19:13, Punana Lebo via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
I concur with Barrack's suggestion on capacity building on 'DNS abuse' to the end users
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:42 AM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarah and colleagues,
I would like to propose the following topic;
Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa.
Regards
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm Robert Nkambwe via AFRI-Discuss, < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Thanks for sharing Sarah.
Robert
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Please see our proposed timeline: Call for topics: 9 - 16 January 2020 Topic announcement and call for drafting team: 17 - 22 January 2020 Drafting of Statement: 23 January - 13 February 2020 Send Statement to Staff for translation: 14 February 2020
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Good points Mark and El,
I think the end user has been missing in the DNS Security conversation yet they are actually the ones who speak with their pockets, if i may use a Kenyan Proverb. An enlightened end user is an empowered end user. As we bring the next billion users online cases of DNS abuse will definately increase. If governments feel that industry players have not control they will definately step in and thats what we are avoiding.
Regards
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 4:55 pm Dr Eberhard W Lisse, <el@lisse.na> wrote:
Gabdibé,
drafting a resolution (beforehand), or even debating a resolution, is going to achieve absolutely nothing.
Mark,
50% lookups is actually almost worth than zero :-)-).
And how many of those hit infrastructure actually in South Africa? Does the figure include the public ones from Google and Cloudflare?
My view is that this only works All-or-Nothing, because noncompliant commercial resolver operators have a commercial advantage over complaint ones.
Financial incentives may work as may financial or other sanctions.
One could even make it part of the Accreditation that DNSSEC must be offered by the Registrars.
But while the Registrars are usually the entities operating the DNS and as such have control over the end-user's DNS anyway, the chain of trust should go up to the end user and not just the Registrar.
Talking to the banks has so far not been very effective, they are happy with HTTPS even though they forget to renew their certificate on a regular basis, never mind the expense.
I don't have the answer either.
If anyone has a technical "solution" or project going on, and is coming to Cancun, please feel free to propose a presentation at TechDay on the Monday.
greetings, el
On 10/01/2020 15:26, Mark Elkins wrote:
I also like the sound of Barrack's proposal. What exactly does "DNS Abuse" mean though?
If it is to try and get all important Domains DNSSEC Signed and for all DNS Resolvers to become DNSSEC aware - that would be a winner in my book!
Incidentally - about 50% of all DNS lookups in South Africa are DNSSEC aware. That's actually the easy bit. Just have the Internet Connection suppliers enable DNSSEC on their resolvers.
Getting the bulk or at least the important Domains DNSSEC Signed will be a bit more challenging but is quite possible; e.g. any domain for a website which may involve a financial transaction or deal with personal information.
On my Domain Registration and Hosting Platform, if I am running the Registrants DNS (Zone file), DNSSEC is simply an option the Registrant can switch on. I could change that and simply enable it for everyone. However, if the Domain is then moved to a Registrar that does not support DNSSEC - there would be issues for the new Registrar.
On 2020/01/10 14:20, Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE wrote:
Dear All, I support Barrack's proposal. Building the capacity of African end users on the general question related to the DNS is very important. Kind regards Gabdibé
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Tijani BEN JEMAA