Dear All, AfRALO is a diverse community, certainly we will have different, opposing views and disagreements on policies, issues, and procedures, it's normal and healthy but It's concerning and sad to see the inflammatory emails exchange in the mailing list while any views can be expressed calmly and objectively. The language of the recently exchanged emails in different topics in then mailing list could have been more reasonable and informed without personal attacks and baseless accusations. We do require all our community members to adhere to ICANN’s Expected Standard of Behavior guidelines available here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en> I recall a west African proverb that says: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far :-) , we can disagree, we can make mistakes but Lets respect each other and let's go far together. Thank you Best Regards, Mohamed Elbashir AfRALO Chair PGP Key Fingerprint : CB16 8424 887F BDFD F46E A235 18B3 833F 943F 3E7C Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hope4all/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hope4all/> Twitter : https://twitter.com/hope4alll <https://twitter.com/hope4alll>
Thank you Mohamed for this astute email. I feel the same and I hope members of our community can read the expected standards of behavior document you have shared - I read it yesterday :) With respect for each other we can surely go far. Regards Esther Patricia On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:09 AM Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir@mbash.net> wrote:
Dear All,
AfRALO is a diverse community, certainly we will have different, opposing views and disagreements on policies, issues, and procedures, it's normal and healthy but It's concerning and sad to see the inflammatory emails exchange in the mailing list while any views can be expressed calmly and objectively.
The language of the recently exchanged emails in different topics in then mailing list could have been more reasonable and informed without personal attacks and baseless accusations.
We do require all our community members to adhere to ICANN’s Expected Standard of Behavior guidelines available here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en
I recall a west African proverb that says: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far :-) , we can disagree, we can make mistakes but Lets respect each other and let's go far together.
Thank you
Best Regards, Mohamed Elbashir AfRALO Chair
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Dear AfRALO Chair, Thank you for the swift intervention. I join my voice to appeal to all parties for calm and no further response(s). Kind regards, Otunte Otueneh From: AFRI-Discuss [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mohamed El Bashir Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2019 3:08 AM To: Afri-Discuss Subject: [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior Importance: High Dear All, AfRALO is a diverse community, certainly we will have different, opposing views and disagreements on policies, issues, and procedures, it's normal and healthy but It's concerning and sad to see the inflammatory emails exchange in the mailing list while any views can be expressed calmly and objectively. The language of the recently exchanged emails in different topics in then mailing list could have been more reasonable and informed without personal attacks and baseless accusations. We do require all our community members to adhere to ICANN’s Expected Standard of Behavior guidelines available here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en I recall a west African proverb that says: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far :-) , we can disagree, we can make mistakes but Lets respect each other and let's go far together. Thank you Best Regards, Mohamed Elbashir AfRALO Chair PGP Key Fingerprint : CB16 8424 887F BDFD F46E A235 18B3 833F 943F 3E7C Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hope4all/ Twitter : https://twitter.com/hope4alll
Mohammed, Are you not doing exactly what you are accusing others of? How did you arrive at the conclusion that someone’s opinion is baseless? Who made it baseless? YOU??? Paulyn Von: AFRI-Discuss [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Mohamed El Bashir Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 04:08 An: Afri-Discuss Betreff: [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior Wichtigkeit: Hoch Dear All, AfRALO is a diverse community, certainly we will have different, opposing views and disagreements on policies, issues, and procedures, it's normal and healthy but It's concerning and sad to see the inflammatory emails exchange in the mailing list while any views can be expressed calmly and objectively. The language of the recently exchanged emails in different topics in then mailing list could have been more reasonable and informed without personal attacks and baseless accusations. We do require all our community members to adhere to ICANN’s Expected Standard of Behavior guidelines available here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en I recall a west African proverb that says: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far :-) , we can disagree, we can make mistakes but Lets respect each other and let's go far together. Thank you Best Regards, Mohamed Elbashir AfRALO Chair PGP Key Fingerprint : CB16 8424 887F BDFD F46E A235 18B3 833F 943F 3E7C Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hope4all/ Twitter : https://twitter.com/hope4alll
+1🤔 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 12:27, Paulyn Jansen<jansen@ayf.de> wrote: _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a... _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Dear Paulyn, Many thanks for your email. However the tone is not right. Mohammed is the AFRALO Chair and he is in the process of restoring order on the mailing list. I think we should address him with respect. This goes to any other leaders we elect in the RALO or ALAC. That said i am cognisant of the fact that this is a personal choice May i start by saying that mistakes are a part of life. When they are made and are pointed out we should not dwell on them. I beleive Dave made a choice and it should be respected. If he made a mistake there is a process to address that. I equally know Dave as a very resourcefull member of AFRALO and ALAC over and above his previous role on the nominating Commitee. Titi is equally a respected member in the African Internet Community regardless of what we may feel about her candidature. What is the point of tearing each other apart in the name of contesting for positions and affecting how we relate with each other? Is thos position more important than harmony and sanity in the RALO? We have much to do in Africa, a continent with 1 Billion plus people yet only 450 Million can access the Internet. Out of the 450 million we boast of less than 1.6 Million Domain Names across all TLDs. Colleagues this are the issues we should be passionate about. I join Otunte un asking for calm. Beyond thos positions which are term limited we need each other. Best Regards On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 2:27 pm Paulyn Jansen, <jansen@ayf.de> wrote:
Mohammed,
Are you not doing exactly what you are accusing others of? How did you arrive at the conclusion that someone’s opinion is baseless? Who made it baseless? YOU???
Paulyn
*Von:* AFRI-Discuss [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *Im Auftrag von *Mohamed El Bashir *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 04:08 *An:* Afri-Discuss *Betreff:* [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior *Wichtigkeit:* Hoch
Dear All,
AfRALO is a diverse community, certainly we will have different, opposing views and disagreements on policies, issues, and procedures, it's normal and healthy but It's concerning and sad to see the inflammatory emails exchange in the mailing list while any views can be expressed calmly and objectively.
The language of the recently exchanged emails in different topics in then mailing list could have been more reasonable and informed without personal attacks and baseless accusations.
We do require all our community members to adhere to ICANN’s Expected Standard of Behavior guidelines available here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en
I recall a west African proverb that says: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far :-) , we can disagree, we can make mistakes but Lets respect each other and let's go far together.
Thank you
Best Regards,
Mohamed Elbashir
AfRALO Chair
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+1 very well said Barrack, we seem to be circling around the matter which was already put to rest. Bram Sent from my iPhone On 9 Jul 2019, at 1:54 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Paulyn, Many thanks for your email. However the tone is not right. Mohammed is the AFRALO Chair and he is in the process of restoring order on the mailing list. I think we should address him with respect. This goes to any other leaders we elect in the RALO or ALAC. That said i am cognisant of the fact that this is a personal choice May i start by saying that mistakes are a part of life. When they are made and are pointed out we should not dwell on them. I beleive Dave made a choice and it should be respected. If he made a mistake there is a process to address that. I equally know Dave as a very resourcefull member of AFRALO and ALAC over and above his previous role on the nominating Commitee. Titi is equally a respected member in the African Internet Community regardless of what we may feel about her candidature. What is the point of tearing each other apart in the name of contesting for positions and affecting how we relate with each other? Is thos position more important than harmony and sanity in the RALO? We have much to do in Africa, a continent with 1 Billion plus people yet only 450 Million can access the Internet. Out of the 450 million we boast of less than 1.6 Million Domain Names across all TLDs. Colleagues this are the issues we should be passionate about. I join Otunte un asking for calm. Beyond thos positions which are term limited we need each other. Best Regards On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 2:27 pm Paulyn Jansen, <jansen@ayf.de<mailto:jansen@ayf.de>> wrote: Mohammed, Are you not doing exactly what you are accusing others of? How did you arrive at the conclusion that someone’s opinion is baseless? Who made it baseless? YOU??? Paulyn Von: AFRI-Discuss [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Mohamed El Bashir Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 04:08 An: Afri-Discuss Betreff: [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior Wichtigkeit: Hoch Dear All, AfRALO is a diverse community, certainly we will have different, opposing views and disagreements on policies, issues, and procedures, it's normal and healthy but It's concerning and sad to see the inflammatory emails exchange in the mailing list while any views can be expressed calmly and objectively. The language of the recently exchanged emails in different topics in then mailing list could have been more reasonable and informed without personal attacks and baseless accusations. We do require all our community members to adhere to ICANN’s Expected Standard of Behavior guidelines available here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en I recall a west African proverb that says: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far :-) , we can disagree, we can make mistakes but Lets respect each other and let's go far together. Thank you Best Regards, Mohamed Elbashir AfRALO Chair PGP Key Fingerprint : CB16 8424 887F BDFD F46E A235 18B3 833F 943F 3E7C Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hope4all/ Twitter : https://twitter.com/hope4alll _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a... _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Dear Barack, Please stop the preaching as we are not in the church house and let the right thing be done. We are all aware of the problems on the continent. If Mohammed is in the process of restoring order on the mailing list, then all well and good. It takes one to detect a mistake, and one to correct it. So there………! Paulyn Von: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 13:53 An: African Youth Foundation Cc: Mohamed El Bashir; Afri-Discuss Betreff: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior Dear Paulyn, Many thanks for your email. However the tone is not right. Mohammed is the AFRALO Chair and he is in the process of restoring order on the mailing list. I think we should address him with respect. This goes to any other leaders we elect in the RALO or ALAC. That said i am cognisant of the fact that this is a personal choice May i start by saying that mistakes are a part of life. When they are made and are pointed out we should not dwell on them. I beleive Dave made a choice and it should be respected. If he made a mistake there is a process to address that. I equally know Dave as a very resourcefull member of AFRALO and ALAC over and above his previous role on the nominating Commitee. Titi is equally a respected member in the African Internet Community regardless of what we may feel about her candidature. What is the point of tearing each other apart in the name of contesting for positions and affecting how we relate with each other? Is thos position more important than harmony and sanity in the RALO? We have much to do in Africa, a continent with 1 Billion plus people yet only 450 Million can access the Internet. Out of the 450 million we boast of less than 1.6 Million Domain Names across all TLDs. Colleagues this are the issues we should be passionate about. I join Otunte un asking for calm. Beyond thos positions which are term limited we need each other. Best Regards On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 2:27 pm Paulyn Jansen, <jansen@ayf.de> wrote: Mohammed, Are you not doing exactly what you are accusing others of? How did you arrive at the conclusion that someone’s opinion is baseless? Who made it baseless? YOU??? Paulyn Von: AFRI-Discuss [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Mohamed El Bashir Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 04:08 An: Afri-Discuss Betreff: [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior Wichtigkeit: Hoch Dear All, AfRALO is a diverse community, certainly we will have different, opposing views and disagreements on policies, issues, and procedures, it's normal and healthy but It's concerning and sad to see the inflammatory emails exchange in the mailing list while any views can be expressed calmly and objectively. The language of the recently exchanged emails in different topics in then mailing list could have been more reasonable and informed without personal attacks and baseless accusations. We do require all our community members to adhere to ICANN’s Expected Standard of Behavior guidelines available here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en I recall a west African proverb that says: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far :-) , we can disagree, we can make mistakes but Lets respect each other and let's go far together. Thank you Best Regards, Mohamed Elbashir AfRALO Chair PGP Key Fingerprint : CB16 8424 887F BDFD F46E A235 18B3 833F 943F 3E7C Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hope4all/ Twitter : https://twitter.com/hope4alll _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a... _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Dear Paulyn, My apologies if i have offended you. I think we are on the same page now. Thank you On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 3:48 pm Paulyn Jansen, <jansen@ayf.de> wrote:
Dear Barack,
Please stop the preaching as we are not in the church house and let the right thing be done. We are all aware of the problems on the continent.
If Mohammed is in the process of restoring order on the mailing list, then all well and good.
It takes one to detect a mistake, and one to correct it. So there………!
Paulyn
*Von:* Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 13:53 *An:* African Youth Foundation *Cc:* Mohamed El Bashir; Afri-Discuss *Betreff:* Re: [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior
Dear Paulyn,
Many thanks for your email. However the tone is not right. Mohammed is the AFRALO Chair and he is in the process of restoring order on the mailing list. I think we should address him with respect. This goes to any other leaders we elect in the RALO or ALAC. That said i am cognisant of the fact that this is a personal choice
May i start by saying that mistakes are a part of life. When they are made and are pointed out we should not dwell on them. I beleive Dave made a choice and it should be respected. If he made a mistake there is a process to address that. I equally know Dave as a very resourcefull member of AFRALO and ALAC over and above his previous role on the nominating Commitee. Titi is equally a respected member in the African Internet Community regardless of what we may feel about her candidature. What is the point of tearing each other apart in the name of contesting for positions and affecting how we relate with each other? Is thos position more important than harmony and sanity in the RALO? We have much to do in Africa, a continent with 1 Billion plus people yet only 450 Million can access the Internet. Out of the 450 million we boast of less than 1.6 Million Domain Names across all TLDs. Colleagues this are the issues we should be passionate about. I join Otunte un asking for calm. Beyond thos positions which are term limited we need each other.
Best Regards
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 2:27 pm Paulyn Jansen, <jansen@ayf.de> wrote:
Mohammed,
Are you not doing exactly what you are accusing others of? How did you arrive at the conclusion that someone’s opinion is baseless? Who made it baseless? YOU???
Paulyn
*Von:* AFRI-Discuss [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *Im Auftrag von *Mohamed El Bashir *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 04:08 *An:* Afri-Discuss *Betreff:* [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior *Wichtigkeit:* Hoch
Dear All,
AfRALO is a diverse community, certainly we will have different, opposing views and disagreements on policies, issues, and procedures, it's normal and healthy but It's concerning and sad to see the inflammatory emails exchange in the mailing list while any views can be expressed calmly and objectively.
The language of the recently exchanged emails in different topics in then mailing list could have been more reasonable and informed without personal attacks and baseless accusations.
We do require all our community members to adhere to ICANN’s Expected Standard of Behavior guidelines available here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en
I recall a west African proverb that says: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far :-) , we can disagree, we can make mistakes but Lets respect each other and let's go far together.
Thank you
Best Regards,
Mohamed Elbashir
AfRALO Chair
PGP Key Fingerprint : CB16 8424 887F BDFD F46E A235 18B3 833F 943F 3E7C
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Well accepted. ;) Paulyn Von: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 15:02 An: African Youth Foundation Cc: Mohamed El Bashir; Afri-Discuss Betreff: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior Dear Paulyn, My apologies if i have offended you. I think we are on the same page now. Thank you On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 3:48 pm Paulyn Jansen, <jansen@ayf.de> wrote: Dear Barack, Please stop the preaching as we are not in the church house and let the right thing be done. We are all aware of the problems on the continent. If Mohammed is in the process of restoring order on the mailing list, then all well and good. It takes one to detect a mistake, and one to correct it. So there………! Paulyn Von: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 13:53 An: African Youth Foundation Cc: Mohamed El Bashir; Afri-Discuss Betreff: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior Dear Paulyn, Many thanks for your email. However the tone is not right. Mohammed is the AFRALO Chair and he is in the process of restoring order on the mailing list. I think we should address him with respect. This goes to any other leaders we elect in the RALO or ALAC. That said i am cognisant of the fact that this is a personal choice May i start by saying that mistakes are a part of life. When they are made and are pointed out we should not dwell on them. I beleive Dave made a choice and it should be respected. If he made a mistake there is a process to address that. I equally know Dave as a very resourcefull member of AFRALO and ALAC over and above his previous role on the nominating Commitee. Titi is equally a respected member in the African Internet Community regardless of what we may feel about her candidature. What is the point of tearing each other apart in the name of contesting for positions and affecting how we relate with each other? Is thos position more important than harmony and sanity in the RALO? We have much to do in Africa, a continent with 1 Billion plus people yet only 450 Million can access the Internet. Out of the 450 million we boast of less than 1.6 Million Domain Names across all TLDs. Colleagues this are the issues we should be passionate about. I join Otunte un asking for calm. Beyond thos positions which are term limited we need each other. Best Regards On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 2:27 pm Paulyn Jansen, <jansen@ayf.de> wrote: Mohammed, Are you not doing exactly what you are accusing others of? How did you arrive at the conclusion that someone’s opinion is baseless? Who made it baseless? YOU??? Paulyn Von: AFRI-Discuss [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Mohamed El Bashir Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 04:08 An: Afri-Discuss Betreff: [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior Wichtigkeit: Hoch Dear All, AfRALO is a diverse community, certainly we will have different, opposing views and disagreements on policies, issues, and procedures, it's normal and healthy but It's concerning and sad to see the inflammatory emails exchange in the mailing list while any views can be expressed calmly and objectively. The language of the recently exchanged emails in different topics in then mailing list could have been more reasonable and informed without personal attacks and baseless accusations. We do require all our community members to adhere to ICANN’s Expected Standard of Behavior guidelines available here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en I recall a west African proverb that says: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far :-) , we can disagree, we can make mistakes but Lets respect each other and let's go far together. Thank you Best Regards, Mohamed Elbashir AfRALO Chair PGP Key Fingerprint : CB16 8424 887F BDFD F46E A235 18B3 833F 943F 3E7C Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hope4all/ Twitter : https://twitter.com/hope4alll _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a... _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Hello Paulyn, Kindly find inline: Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 13:48 Paulyn Jansen, <jansen@ayf.de> wrote:
It takes one to detect a mistake, and one to correct it. So there………!
SO: Can you state specifically the concern you have at the moment? Regards
Paulyn
*Von:* Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 13:53 *An:* African Youth Foundation *Cc:* Mohamed El Bashir; Afri-Discuss *Betreff:* Re: [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior
Dear Paulyn,
Many thanks for your email. However the tone is not right. Mohammed is the AFRALO Chair and he is in the process of restoring order on the mailing list. I think we should address him with respect. This goes to any other leaders we elect in the RALO or ALAC. That said i am cognisant of the fact that this is a personal choice
May i start by saying that mistakes are a part of life. When they are made and are pointed out we should not dwell on them. I beleive Dave made a choice and it should be respected. If he made a mistake there is a process to address that. I equally know Dave as a very resourcefull member of AFRALO and ALAC over and above his previous role on the nominating Commitee. Titi is equally a respected member in the African Internet Community regardless of what we may feel about her candidature. What is the point of tearing each other apart in the name of contesting for positions and affecting how we relate with each other? Is thos position more important than harmony and sanity in the RALO? We have much to do in Africa, a continent with 1 Billion plus people yet only 450 Million can access the Internet. Out of the 450 million we boast of less than 1.6 Million Domain Names across all TLDs. Colleagues this are the issues we should be passionate about. I join Otunte un asking for calm. Beyond thos positions which are term limited we need each other.
Best Regards
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 2:27 pm Paulyn Jansen, <jansen@ayf.de> wrote:
Mohammed,
Are you not doing exactly what you are accusing others of? How did you arrive at the conclusion that someone’s opinion is baseless? Who made it baseless? YOU???
Paulyn
*Von:* AFRI-Discuss [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *Im Auftrag von *Mohamed El Bashir *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 04:08 *An:* Afri-Discuss *Betreff:* [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior *Wichtigkeit:* Hoch
Dear All,
AfRALO is a diverse community, certainly we will have different, opposing views and disagreements on policies, issues, and procedures, it's normal and healthy but It's concerning and sad to see the inflammatory emails exchange in the mailing list while any views can be expressed calmly and objectively.
The language of the recently exchanged emails in different topics in then mailing list could have been more reasonable and informed without personal attacks and baseless accusations.
We do require all our community members to adhere to ICANN’s Expected Standard of Behavior guidelines available here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en
I recall a west African proverb that says: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far :-) , we can disagree, we can make mistakes but Lets respect each other and let's go far together.
Thank you
Best Regards,
Mohamed Elbashir
AfRALO Chair
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Hello Seun, I did not really want us to try and play the nice guys here with the contributions of some of us. Leadership comes with its own responsibility. If those being led are falling out of line by the "standards" of some of us, the leader(s) should realize that, they maintain neutrality. When I say leader, I refere to anyone carrying out one role or the other that cannot be done by every one, including leading in committees. That is why any one in public office in civilized nations are daily scrutinised. Ask Trump or Pastor Fatoyinbo if I'm lying. Having said that I will say that some of our 'leaders:, here in AFRALO pretend a lot. Coming back to your question was it right for AFRALO Chair to characterise any comment by ANYONE in this group as BASELESS? THAT IS THE CONCERN of Paulyn, so I do not know what is difficult to understand there. As you prepare to take over anytime soon be prepared to lead a more volatile and embolden and enlightened AFRALO, so you will do well to be as objective and neutral as possible without taking sides because you will be leading both those that support you and those that will not support you. On a more serious note, the exchange between Maureen and I (thank God its been laid to rest) would not have gotten to that level if our Chair had played his role of a leader. When I read Maureen mail, I sent a personal email to Chair of AFRALO expressing my concerns, till date do you know that chair ignored my email. Not even an acknowledgement. That is not how to lead. Perhaps if he had played the role of an elder statesman I would have maybe not responded. Not that I needed his approval but I gave him that respect and he should have reciprocated. All that is past. The dividends of democracy is to disagree to agree. It is healthy. I don't take anything personal after all AFRALO does not pay any of our bills. One love. One family 👍 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 14:26, Seun Ojedeji<seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a... _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
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On 9 Jul 2019, at 2:53 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Paulyn,
Many thanks for your email. However the tone is not right. Mohammed is the AFRALO Chair and he is in the process of restoring order on the mailing list. I think we should address him with respect. This goes to any other leaders we elect in the RALO or ALAC. That said i am cognisant of the fact that this is a personal choice May i start by saying that mistakes are a part of life. When they are made and are pointed out we should not dwell on them. I beleive Dave made a choice and it should be respected. If he made a mistake there is a process to address that. I equally know Dave as a very resourcefull member of AFRALO and ALAC over and above his previous role on the nominating Commitee. Titi is equally a respected member in the African Internet Community regardless of what we may feel about her candidature. What is the point of tearing each other apart in the name of contesting for positions and affecting how we relate with each other? Is thos position more important than harmony and sanity in the RALO? We have much to do in Africa, a continent with 1 Billion plus people yet only 450 Million can access the Internet. Out of the 450 million we boast of less than 1.6 Million Domain Names across all TLDs. Colleagues this are the issues we should be passionate about. I join Otunte un asking for calm. Beyond thos positions which are term limited we need each other.
Best Regards
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 2:27 pm Paulyn Jansen, <jansen@ayf.de> wrote: Mohammed,
Are you not doing exactly what you are accusing others of? How did you arrive at the conclusion that someone’s opinion is baseless? Who made it baseless? YOU???
Paulyn
Von: AFRI-Discuss [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Mohamed El Bashir Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juli 2019 04:08 An: Afri-Discuss Betreff: [AFRI-Discuss] The Expected Standard of Behavior Wichtigkeit: Hoch
Dear All,
AfRALO is a diverse community, certainly we will have different, opposing views and disagreements on policies, issues, and procedures, it's normal and healthy but It's concerning and sad to see the inflammatory emails exchange in the mailing list while any views can be expressed calmly and objectively.
The language of the recently exchanged emails in different topics in then mailing list could have been more reasonable and informed without personal attacks and baseless accusations.
We do require all our community members to adhere to ICANN’s Expected Standard of Behavior guidelines available here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en
I recall a west African proverb that says: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far :-) , we can disagree, we can make mistakes but Lets respect each other and let's go far together.
Thank you
Best Regards,
Mohamed Elbashir
AfRALO Chair
PGP Key Fingerprint : CB16 8424 887F BDFD F46E A235 18B3 833F 943F 3E7C
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hope4all/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/hope4alll
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participants (9)
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Ali Hussein -
Barrack Otieno -
Bram Fudzulani -
Mohamed El Bashir -
Otunte Otueneh -
Patricia Akello -
Paulyn Jansen -
peters omoragbon -
Seun Ojedeji