Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers"
Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful. I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text. As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the public interest. Thanks again Tijani On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested additions.
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members Thank you and regards
Beran Gillen
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn wrote:
Dear Aziz and all,
May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
• All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts as much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect that as much as possible.
Added paragraph:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve it.
• The community group that will act on behalf of the respective community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far. However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and the best ways to empower the community using the right means and avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence, its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
Tijani
On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:
[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".
You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
[French]
Chers collègues,
AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
Best Regards Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss [1] [1]
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Dear Tijani, I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please feel free to amend where necessary. Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come with a recommendation. I have modified the following to the paragraph below: The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the issue from the board to the members. Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable to the community. Thanks and best regards Dave Kissoondoyal -----Original Message----- From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12 To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers" Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful. I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text. As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the public interest. Thanks again Tijani On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested additions.
The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members Thank you and regards
Beran Gillen
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn wrote:
Dear Aziz and all,
May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts as much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect that as much as possible.
Added paragraph:
The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve it.
The community group that will act on behalf of the respective community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far. However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and the best ways to empower the community using the right means and avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence, its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
Tijani
On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:
[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".
You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
[French]
Chers collègues,
AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres dAFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que lon puisse les inclure avant dimprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification sil y a lieu et adoption.
Best Regards Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss [1] [1]
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Dear Tijani, I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please feel free to amend where necessary. Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come with a recommendation. I have modified the following to the paragraph below: The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the issue from the board to the members. Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable to the community. Thanks and best regards Dave Kissoondoyal -----Original Message----- From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12 To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers" Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful. I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text. As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the public interest. Thanks again Tijani On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested additions.
The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members Thank you and regards
Beran Gillen
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn wrote:
Dear Aziz and all,
May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts as much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect that as much as possible.
Added paragraph:
The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve it.
The community group that will act on behalf of the respective community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far. However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and the best ways to empower the community using the right means and avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence, its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
Tijani
On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:
[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".
You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
[French]
Chers collègues,
AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres dAFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que lon puisse les inclure avant dimprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification sil y a lieu et adoption.
Best Regards Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss [1] [1]
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Dear All, I have edited the version from Dave (which is an update on Beran's version). I accepted most of Dave's edits but left some within the CCWG section for Tijani to have further look as i think the membership comments was actually to indicate how problematic membership model can be and why we should not go that route. I have also added a few statement to reflect/cover Muwendwa's suggestion/comment and i hope that will help Attached is the redline version Regards On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Dave Kissoondoyal <dave@isoc-mu.org> wrote:
Dear Tijani,
I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please feel free to amend where necessary.
Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come with a recommendation. I have modified the following to the paragraph below:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the issue from the board to the members. • Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable to the community.
Thanks and best regards
Dave Kissoondoyal
-----Original Message----- From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12 To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers"
Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful.
I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text.
As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the public interest.
Thanks again
Tijani
On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested additions.
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members Thank you and regards
Beran Gillen
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn wrote:
Dear Aziz and all,
May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
• All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts as much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect that as much as possible.
Added paragraph:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve it.
• The community group that will act on behalf of the respective community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far. However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and the best ways to empower the community using the right means and avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence, its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
Tijani
On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:
[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".
You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
[French]
Chers collègues,
AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
Best Regards Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss [1] [1]
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All, The Multistakeholder model is the best option we have to develop ICT's in Africa. We have to get this transition right. .Na has been busy with the CCWG and there are issues with both the outcome and the process. The work and analysis everyone has put into the statement is impressive. We need to keep it up. Best, Ben Sent from my iPad Mini
On Jun 21, 2015, at 03:43, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I have edited the version from Dave (which is an update on Beran's version). I accepted most of Dave's edits but left some within the CCWG section for Tijani to have further look as i think the membership comments was actually to indicate how problematic membership model can be and why we should not go that route.
I have also added a few statement to reflect/cover Muwendwa's suggestion/comment and i hope that will help
Attached is the redline version
Regards
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Dave Kissoondoyal <dave@isoc-mu.org> wrote: Dear Tijani,
I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please feel free to amend where necessary.
Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come with a recommendation. I have modified the following to the paragraph below:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the issue from the board to the members. • Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable to the community.
Thanks and best regards
Dave Kissoondoyal
-----Original Message----- From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12 To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers"
Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful.
I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text.
As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the public interest.
Thanks again
Tijani
On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested additions.
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members Thank you and regards
Beran Gillen
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn wrote:
Dear Aziz and all,
May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
• All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts as much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect that as much as possible.
Added paragraph:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve it.
• The community group that will act on behalf of the respective community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far. However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and the best ways to empower the community using the right means and avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence, its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
Tijani
On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:
[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".
You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
[French]
Chers collègues,
AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
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Hi All, I am still not in agreement with this statement: - We observe that the CWG proposes to transfer IANA assets including the IANA trademarks; we are in disagreement with this as we will prefer that the trademarks remain with the contractor post-transition (which is ICANN). Nevertheless we suggest that the 3 operational communities cordinate and agree on this. Our main interest is that whoever holds the trademark makes it available/accessible to the operational communities as it is at the moment. First of all, does the CWG propose to transfer IANA assets? Who is in disagreement with the transfer of the IANA assets? I have stated here that no feedback has come from the community whether we agree or disagree on the transfer. I may be wrong, but any pointers would be appreciated. However, I agree consensus between the three operational communities is important. Meanwhile, below is the statement I recommend we adopt on the numbers community. I have produced this draft in my personal capacity. Any feedback is highly welcomed. <begin text> The number resource community has proposed an SLA with the IANA Function Operator (IFO), a Review Committee to review the functions of IFO, and transfer of the Intellectual Property related to the IANA functions held by ICANN to a neutral entity. The African community welcomes the view from the numbers community that the RIRs are "very satisfied with the performance of ICANN in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator. Taking this into account, and considering the Internet Number Community's strong desire for stability and a minimum of operational change, the Internet Number Community believes that ICANN should remain in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator for at least the initial term of the new contract." We also appreciate the fact that the numbering community chose arbitration over litigation in the unlikely event there are disputes related to the execution of the IANA functions where mediation has failed. Arbitration avoids hostility, is cheaper, faster, and more flexible than litigation It is the expectation of the AFRALO/AFRICANN community that the proposed Review Committee is formed in an open and transparent manner, with balanced representation from the 5 RIRs and composed of members who are well conversant with the operations of the RIRs and analytical enough to give a scorecard on the performance of the IFO. It is also the expectation of the AFRALO /AFRICANN community that the three operational communities will reach consensus on the ownership and use of the iana.org domain name and the IANA trademark. It is our expectation that any Intellectual Property held by ICANN related to the IANA functions is available in perpetuity to the three operation communities. It is important for the three operational communities to ensure the proposals submitted to ICG are compatible to avoid protracted negotiations and back and forth with ICG because this may affect the timelines given. Finally, It is the expectation of the Africa community that commitment is shown by the three operational communities, and the ICG in ensuring that the transition will happen on time, and timelines are adhered to. <end text> ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 21 June 2015 at 11:53, Ben Fuller <abutiben@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
The Multistakeholder model is the best option we have to develop ICT's in Africa. We have to get this transition right. .Na has been busy with the CCWG and there are issues with both the outcome and the process.
The work and analysis everyone has put into the statement is impressive. We need to keep it up.
Best,
Ben
Sent from my iPad Mini
On Jun 21, 2015, at 03:43, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I have edited the version from Dave (which is an update on Beran's version). I accepted most of Dave's edits but left some within the CCWG section for Tijani to have further look as i think the membership comments was actually to indicate how problematic membership model can be and why we should not go that route.
I have also added a few statement to reflect/cover Muwendwa's suggestion/comment and i hope that will help
Attached is the redline version
Regards
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Dave Kissoondoyal <dave@isoc-mu.org> wrote:
Dear Tijani,
I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please feel free to amend where necessary.
Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come with a recommendation. I have modified the following to the paragraph below:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the issue from the board to the members. • Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable to the community.
Thanks and best regards
Dave Kissoondoyal
-----Original Message----- From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12 To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers"
Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful.
I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text.
As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the public interest.
Thanks again
Tijani
On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested additions.
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members Thank you and regards
Beran Gillen
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn wrote:
Dear Aziz and all,
May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
• All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts as much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect that as much as possible.
Added paragraph:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve it.
• The community group that will act on behalf of the respective community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far. However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and the best ways to empower the community using the right means and avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence, its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
Tijani
On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:
[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".
You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
[French]
Chers collègues,
AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
Best Regards Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss [1] [1]
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Thank you very much Mwendwa for your comment and your text proposal. As you know, the draft is written by a few number of members and proposed for feedback. When there is no feedback, we can consider there is agreement. Where we receive comments, we try to include them or discuss them before inclusion. For example, you proposed the language about the numbering function; if we don’t receive any remark on it, we will consider that it is agreed on and include it in the statement as is; if we receive comments, we will try to include them as well. And it is a draft anyway. The final acceptance/modification/rejection will take place in the room on Wednesday. Thanks again for your contribution If u r in BA, please come to the AFRALO/AfrICANN joint meeting on Wednesday -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: + 216 41 649 605 Mobile: + 216 98 330 114 Fax: + 216 70 853 376 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- De : afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Mwendwa Kivuva Envoyé : lundi 22 juin 2015 14:05 À : AfrICANN list Cc : Afri-Discuss; Afrinic-discuss Objet : Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers" Hi All, I am still not in agreement with this statement: - We observe that the CWG proposes to transfer IANA assets including the IANA trademarks; we are in disagreement with this as we will prefer that the trademarks remain with the contractor post-transition (which is ICANN). Nevertheless we suggest that the 3 operational communities cordinate and agree on this. Our main interest is that whoever holds the trademark makes it available/accessible to the operational communities as it is at the moment. First of all, does the CWG propose to transfer IANA assets? Who is in disagreement with the transfer of the IANA assets? I have stated here that no feedback has come from the community whether we agree or disagree on the transfer. I may be wrong, but any pointers would be appreciated. However, I agree consensus between the three operational communities is important. Meanwhile, below is the statement I recommend we adopt on the numbers community. I have produced this draft in my personal capacity. Any feedback is highly welcomed. <begin text> The number resource community has proposed an SLA with the IANA Function Operator (IFO), a Review Committee to review the functions of IFO, and transfer of the Intellectual Property related to the IANA functions held by ICANN to a neutral entity. The African community welcomes the view from the numbers community that the RIRs are "very satisfied with the performance of ICANN in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator. Taking this into account, and considering the Internet Number Community's strong desire for stability and a minimum of operational change, the Internet Number Community believes that ICANN should remain in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator for at least the initial term of the new contract." We also appreciate the fact that the numbering community chose arbitration over litigation in the unlikely event there are disputes related to the execution of the IANA functions where mediation has failed. Arbitration avoids hostility, is cheaper, faster, and more flexible than litigation It is the expectation of the AFRALO/AFRICANN community that the proposed Review Committee is formed in an open and transparent manner, with balanced representation from the 5 RIRs and composed of members who are well conversant with the operations of the RIRs and analytical enough to give a scorecard on the performance of the IFO. It is also the expectation of the AFRALO /AFRICANN community that the three operational communities will reach consensus on the ownership and use of the iana.org domain name and the IANA trademark. It is our expectation that any Intellectual Property held by ICANN related to the IANA functions is available in perpetuity to the three operation communities. It is important for the three operational communities to ensure the proposals submitted to ICG are compatible to avoid protracted negotiations and back and forth with ICG because this may affect the timelines given. Finally, It is the expectation of the Africa community that commitment is shown by the three operational communities, and the ICG in ensuring that the transition will happen on time, and timelines are adhered to. <end text> ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 21 June 2015 at 11:53, Ben Fuller <abutiben@gmail.com> wrote: All, The Multistakeholder model is the best option we have to develop ICT's in Africa. We have to get this transition right. .Na has been busy with the CCWG and there are issues with both the outcome and the process. The work and analysis everyone has put into the statement is impressive. We need to keep it up. Best, Ben Sent from my iPad Mini On Jun 21, 2015, at 03:43, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Dear All, I have edited the version from Dave (which is an update on Beran's version). I accepted most of Dave's edits but left some within the CCWG section for Tijani to have further look as i think the membership comments was actually to indicate how problematic membership model can be and why we should not go that route. I have also added a few statement to reflect/cover Muwendwa's suggestion/comment and i hope that will help Attached is the redline version Regards On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Dave Kissoondoyal <dave@isoc-mu.org> wrote: Dear Tijani, I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please feel free to amend where necessary. Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come with a recommendation. I have modified the following to the paragraph below: • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the issue from the board to the members. • Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable to the community. Thanks and best regards Dave Kissoondoyal -----Original Message----- From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12 To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers" Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful. I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text. As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the public interest. Thanks again Tijani On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested additions.
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members Thank you and regards
Beran Gillen
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn wrote:
Dear Aziz and all,
May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
• All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts as much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect that as much as possible.
Added paragraph:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve it.
• The community group that will act on behalf of the respective community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far. However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and the best ways to empower the community using the right means and avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence, its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
Tijani
On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:
[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".
You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
[French]
Chers collègues,
AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
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Hi Muwendwa, On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva < Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I am still not in agreement with this statement:
- We observe that the CWG proposes to transfer IANA assets including the IANA trademarks; we are in disagreement with this as we will prefer that the trademarks remain with the contractor post-transition (which is ICANN). Nevertheless we suggest that the 3 operational communities cordinate and agree on this. Our main interest is that whoever holds the trademark makes it available/accessible to the operational communities as it is at the moment.
First of all, does the CWG propose to transfer IANA assets?
Here is a section of the proposal: A new, separate legal entity, Post-Transition IANA (PTI), will be formed as
an affiliate of ICANN. The existing IANA functions, administrative staff, and *related* *resources*, processes, data, and know-how will be legally transferred to PTI.
Trademark:
[ICANN will grants PTI an* exclusive*, royalty-free, fully-paid, worldwide license to use the IANA trademark and all related trademarks in connection with PTI’s activities under the ICANN-PTI Contract.]
Full proposal ur: https://goo.gl/6UNbys
Who is in disagreement with the transfer of the IANA assets?
Actually the statement is not to disagree with transfer of IANA assets but specifically transfer of IANA trademark. Nevertheless i think i agree that the current statement may be a little bit confusing, so i suggest the following edit: "We observe that the CWG proposes to grant "exclusive" access of IANA trademark to PTI; we are in disagreement with this as we will prefer that the trademark remain with the contractor post-transition (which is ICANN) as its an asset for the 3 operational communities. Nevertheless we suggest that the 3 operational communities coordinate and agree on this. Our main interest is that whoever holds the trademark makes it available/accessible to the operational communities as it is at the moment."
I have stated here that no feedback has come from the community whether we agree or disagree on the transfer. I may be wrong, but any pointers would be appreciated. However, I agree consensus between the three operational communities is important.
Meanwhile, below is the statement I recommend we adopt on the numbers community. I have produced this draft in my personal capacity. Any feedback is highly welcomed.
Please note that the statement we are currently working on attempts to comment on the CWG proposal and CCWG proposal/report NOT the CRISP proposal I hope that helps. Regards
<begin text>
The number resource community has proposed an SLA with the IANA Function Operator (IFO), a Review Committee to review the functions of IFO, and transfer of the Intellectual Property related to the IANA functions held by ICANN to a neutral entity. The African community welcomes the view from the numbers community that the RIRs are "very satisfied with the performance of ICANN in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator. Taking this into account, and considering the Internet Number Community's strong desire for stability and a minimum of operational change, the Internet Number Community believes that ICANN should remain in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator for at least the initial term of the new contract."
We also appreciate the fact that the numbering community chose arbitration over litigation in the unlikely event there are disputes related to the execution of the IANA functions where mediation has failed. Arbitration avoids hostility, is cheaper, faster, and more flexible than litigation
It is the expectation of the AFRALO/AFRICANN community that the proposed Review Committee is formed in an open and transparent manner, with balanced representation from the 5 RIRs and composed of members who are well conversant with the operations of the RIRs and analytical enough to give a scorecard on the performance of the IFO.
It is also the expectation of the AFRALO /AFRICANN community that the three operational communities will reach consensus on the ownership and use of the iana.org domain name and the IANA trademark. It is our expectation that any Intellectual Property held by ICANN related to the IANA functions is available in perpetuity to the three operation communities.
It is important for the three operational communities to ensure the proposals submitted to ICG are compatible to avoid protracted negotiations and back and forth with ICG because this may affect the timelines given. Finally, It is the expectation of the Africa community that commitment is shown by the three operational communities, and the ICG in ensuring that the transition will happen on time, and timelines are adhered to.
<end text>
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
On 21 June 2015 at 11:53, Ben Fuller <abutiben@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
The Multistakeholder model is the best option we have to develop ICT's in Africa. We have to get this transition right. .Na has been busy with the CCWG and there are issues with both the outcome and the process.
The work and analysis everyone has put into the statement is impressive. We need to keep it up.
Best,
Ben
Sent from my iPad Mini
On Jun 21, 2015, at 03:43, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I have edited the version from Dave (which is an update on Beran's version). I accepted most of Dave's edits but left some within the CCWG section for Tijani to have further look as i think the membership comments was actually to indicate how problematic membership model can be and why we should not go that route.
I have also added a few statement to reflect/cover Muwendwa's suggestion/comment and i hope that will help
Attached is the redline version
Regards
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Dave Kissoondoyal <dave@isoc-mu.org> wrote:
Dear Tijani,
I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please feel free to amend where necessary.
Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come with a recommendation. I have modified the following to the paragraph below:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the issue from the board to the members. • Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable to the community.
Thanks and best regards
Dave Kissoondoyal
-----Original Message----- From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12 To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers"
Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful.
I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text.
As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the public interest.
Thanks again
Tijani
On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested additions.
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members Thank you and regards
Beran Gillen
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn wrote:
Dear Aziz and all,
May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
• All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts as much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect that as much as possible.
Added paragraph:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve it.
• The community group that will act on behalf of the respective community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far. However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and the best ways to empower the community using the right means and avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence, its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
Tijani
On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:
[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".
You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
[French]
Chers collègues,
AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
Best Regards Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss [1] [1]
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Seun, Since we called our statement: “our views on the proposed future governance of Internet Unique Identifiers”, we may add Mwendwa text and modify the introduction to include the numbering function. What do you think? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: + 216 41 649 605 Mobile: + 216 98 330 114 Fax: + 216 70 853 376 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- De : afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Seun Ojedeji Envoyé : lundi 22 juin 2015 15:23 À : Mwendwa Kivuva Cc : Afri-Discuss; AfrICANN list; Afrinic-discuss Objet : Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers" Hi Muwendwa, On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Hi All, I am still not in agreement with this statement: - We observe that the CWG proposes to transfer IANA assets including the IANA trademarks; we are in disagreement with this as we will prefer that the trademarks remain with the contractor post-transition (which is ICANN). Nevertheless we suggest that the 3 operational communities cordinate and agree on this. Our main interest is that whoever holds the trademark makes it available/accessible to the operational communities as it is at the moment. First of all, does the CWG propose to transfer IANA assets? Here is a section of the proposal: A new, separate legal entity, Post-Transition IANA (PTI), will be formed as an affiliate of ICANN. The existing IANA functions, administrative staff, and related resources, processes, data, and know-how will be legally transferred to PTI. Trademark: [ICANN will grants PTI an exclusive, royalty-free, fully-paid, worldwide license to use the IANA trademark and all related trademarks in connection with PTI’s activities under the ICANN-PTI Contract.] Full proposal ur: https://goo.gl/6UNbys Who is in disagreement with the transfer of the IANA assets? Actually the statement is not to disagree with transfer of IANA assets but specifically transfer of IANA trademark. Nevertheless i think i agree that the current statement may be a little bit confusing, so i suggest the following edit: "We observe that the CWG proposes to grant "exclusive" access of IANA trademark to PTI; we are in disagreement with this as we will prefer that the trademark remain with the contractor post-transition (which is ICANN) as its an asset for the 3 operational communities. Nevertheless we suggest that the 3 operational communities coordinate and agree on this. Our main interest is that whoever holds the trademark makes it available/accessible to the operational communities as it is at the moment." I have stated here that no feedback has come from the community whether we agree or disagree on the transfer. I may be wrong, but any pointers would be appreciated. However, I agree consensus between the three operational communities is important. Meanwhile, below is the statement I recommend we adopt on the numbers community. I have produced this draft in my personal capacity. Any feedback is highly welcomed. Please note that the statement we are currently working on attempts to comment on the CWG proposal and CCWG proposal/report NOT the CRISP proposal I hope that helps. Regards <begin text> The number resource community has proposed an SLA with the IANA Function Operator (IFO), a Review Committee to review the functions of IFO, and transfer of the Intellectual Property related to the IANA functions held by ICANN to a neutral entity. The African community welcomes the view from the numbers community that the RIRs are "very satisfied with the performance of ICANN in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator. Taking this into account, and considering the Internet Number Community's strong desire for stability and a minimum of operational change, the Internet Number Community believes that ICANN should remain in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator for at least the initial term of the new contract." We also appreciate the fact that the numbering community chose arbitration over litigation in the unlikely event there are disputes related to the execution of the IANA functions where mediation has failed. Arbitration avoids hostility, is cheaper, faster, and more flexible than litigation It is the expectation of the AFRALO/AFRICANN community that the proposed Review Committee is formed in an open and transparent manner, with balanced representation from the 5 RIRs and composed of members who are well conversant with the operations of the RIRs and analytical enough to give a scorecard on the performance of the IFO. It is also the expectation of the AFRALO /AFRICANN community that the three operational communities will reach consensus on the ownership and use of the iana.org domain name and the IANA trademark. It is our expectation that any Intellectual Property held by ICANN related to the IANA functions is available in perpetuity to the three operation communities. It is important for the three operational communities to ensure the proposals submitted to ICG are compatible to avoid protracted negotiations and back and forth with ICG because this may affect the timelines given. Finally, It is the expectation of the Africa community that commitment is shown by the three operational communities, and the ICG in ensuring that the transition will happen on time, and timelines are adhered to. <end text> ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 21 June 2015 at 11:53, Ben Fuller <abutiben@gmail.com> wrote: All, The Multistakeholder model is the best option we have to develop ICT's in Africa. We have to get this transition right. .Na has been busy with the CCWG and there are issues with both the outcome and the process. The work and analysis everyone has put into the statement is impressive. We need to keep it up. Best, Ben Sent from my iPad Mini On Jun 21, 2015, at 03:43, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Dear All, I have edited the version from Dave (which is an update on Beran's version). I accepted most of Dave's edits but left some within the CCWG section for Tijani to have further look as i think the membership comments was actually to indicate how problematic membership model can be and why we should not go that route. I have also added a few statement to reflect/cover Muwendwa's suggestion/comment and i hope that will help Attached is the redline version Regards On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Dave Kissoondoyal <dave@isoc-mu.org> wrote: Dear Tijani, I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please feel free to amend where necessary. Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come with a recommendation. I have modified the following to the paragraph below: • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the issue from the board to the members. • Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable to the community. Thanks and best regards Dave Kissoondoyal -----Original Message----- From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12 To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers" Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful. I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text. As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the public interest. Thanks again Tijani On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested additions.
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members Thank you and regards
Beran Gillen
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn wrote:
Dear Aziz and all,
May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
• All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts as much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect that as much as possible.
Added paragraph:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve it.
• The community group that will act on behalf of the respective community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far. However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and the best ways to empower the community using the right means and avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence, its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
Tijani
On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:
[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".
You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
[French]
Chers collègues,
AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
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_______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 alt email: <http://goog_1872880453> seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng The key to understanding is humility - my view ! <AFRALO-AfrICANN Statement_draft_v1.1_redine.doc> _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list AfrICANN@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list AfrICANN@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 alt email: <http://goog_1872880453> seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng The key to understanding is humility - my view ! --- Ce courrier électronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
See my few edits and input. Mary Uduma On Monday, June 22, 2015 11:22 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Muwendwa, On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Hi All, I am still not in agreement with this statement: - We observe that the CWG proposes to transfer IANAassets including the IANA trademarks; we are in disagreement with this as wewill prefer that the trademarks remain with the contractor post-transition(which is ICANN). Nevertheless we suggest that the 3 operational communitiescordinate and agree on this. Our main interest is that whoever holds thetrademark makes it available/accessible to the operational communities as it isat the moment. First of all, does the CWG propose to transfer IANA assets? Here is a section of the proposal: A new, separate legal entity, Post-Transition IANA(PTI), will be formed as an affiliate of ICANN. The existingIANA functions, administrative staff, and related resources,processes, data, and know-how will be legally transferred to PTI. Trademark: [ICANN will grants PTI an exclusive, royalty-free, fully-paid, worldwide license to use the IANA trademark and all related trademarks in connection with PTI’s activities under the ICANN-PTI Contract.] Full proposal ur: https://goo.gl/6UNbys Who is in disagreement with the transfer of the IANA assets? Actually the statement is not to disagree with transfer of IANA assets but specifically transfer of IANA trademark. Nevertheless i think i agree that the current statement may be a little bit confusing, so i suggest the following edit: "We observe that the CWG proposes to grant "exclusive" access of IANA trademark to PTI; we are in disagreement with this as we will prefer that the trademark remain with the contractor post-transition (which is ICANN) as its an asset for the 3 operational communities. Nevertheless we suggest that the 3 operational communities coordinate and agree on this. Our main interest is that whoever holds the trademark makes it available/accessible to the operational communities as it is at the moment." I have stated here that no feedback has come from the community whether we agree or disagree on the transfer. I may be wrong, but any pointers would be appreciated. However, I agree consensus between the three operational communities is important. Meanwhile, below is the statement I recommend we adopt on the numbers community. I have produced this draft in my personal capacity. Any feedback is highly welcomed. Please note that the statement we are currently working on attempts to comment on the CWG proposal and CCWG proposal/report NOT the CRISP proposal I hope that helps. Regards <begin text> The number resource community has proposed an SLA with the IANA Function Operator (IFO), a Review Committee to review the functions of IFO, and transfer of the Intellectual Property related to the IANA functions held by ICANN to a neutral entity. The African community welcomes the view from the numbers community that the RIRs are "very satisfied with the performance of ICANN in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator. Taking this into account, and considering the Internet Number Community's strong desire for stability and a minimum of operational change, the Internet Number Community believes that ICANN should remain in the role of the IANA Numbering Services Operator for at least the initial term of the new contract." We also appreciate the fact that the numbering community chose arbitration over litigation in the unlikely event there are disputes related to the execution of the IANA functions where mediation has failed. Arbitration avoids hostility, is cheaper, faster, and more flexible than litigation It is the expectation of the AFRALO/AFRICANN community that the proposed Review Committee is formed in an open and transparent manner, with balanced representation from the 5 RIRs and composed of members who are well conversant with the operations of the RIRs and analytical enough to give a scorecard on the performance of the IFO. It is also the expectation of the AFRALO /AFRICANN community that the three operational communities will reach consensus on the ownership and use of the iana.org domain name and the IANA trademark. It is our expectation that any Intellectual Property held by ICANN related to the IANA functions is available in perpetuity to the three operation communities. It is important for the three operational communities to ensure the proposals submitted to ICG are compatible to avoid protracted negotiations and back and forth with ICG because this may affect the timelines given. Finally, It is the expectation of the Africa community that commitment is shown by the three operational communities, and the ICG in ensuring that the transition will happen on time, and timelines are adhered to. <end text> ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 21 June 2015 at 11:53, Ben Fuller <abutiben@gmail.com> wrote: All, The Multistakeholder model is the best option we have to develop ICT's in Africa. We have to get this transition right. .Na has been busy with the CCWG and there are issues with both the outcome and the process. The work and analysis everyone has put into the statement is impressive. We need to keep it up. Best, Ben Sent from my iPad Mini On Jun 21, 2015, at 03:43, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Dear All, I have edited the version from Dave (which is an update on Beran's version). I accepted most of Dave's edits but left some within the CCWG section for Tijani to have further look as i think the membership comments was actually to indicate how problematic membership model can be and why we should not go that route. I have also added a few statement to reflect/cover Muwendwa's suggestion/comment and i hope that will help Attached is the redline version Regards On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Dave Kissoondoyal <dave@isoc-mu.org> wrote: Dear Tijani, I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please feel free to amend where necessary. Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come with a recommendation. I have modified the following to the paragraph below: • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the issue from the board to the members. • Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable to the community. Thanks and best regards Dave Kissoondoyal -----Original Message----- From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12 To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers" Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful. I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text. As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the public interest. Thanks again Tijani On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested additions.
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members Thank you and regards
Beran Gillen
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn wrote:
Dear Aziz and all,
May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
• All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts as much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect that as much as possible.
Added paragraph:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve it.
• The community group that will act on behalf of the respective community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far. However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and the best ways to empower the community using the right means and avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence, its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
Tijani
On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:
[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".
You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
[French]
Chers collègues,
AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
Best Regards Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss [1] [1]
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Seun and All, Please my few edits and input. On Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:48 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Dear All, I have edited the version from Dave (which is an update on Beran's version). I accepted most of Dave's edits but left some within the CCWG section for Tijani to have further look as i think the membership comments was actually to indicate how problematic membership model can be and why we should not go that route. I have also added a few statement to reflect/cover Muwendwa's suggestion/comment and i hope that will help Attached is the redline version Regards On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Dave Kissoondoyal <dave@isoc-mu.org> wrote: Dear Tijani, I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please feel free to amend where necessary. Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come with a recommendation. I have modified the following to the paragraph below: • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the issue from the board to the members. • Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable to the community. Thanks and best regards Dave Kissoondoyal -----Original Message----- From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Sent: 20 June 2015 14:12 To: Beran Dondeh; tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet uniqueidentifiers" Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful. I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text. As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the public interest. Thanks again Tijani On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <berandondeh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,
Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested additions.
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the members Thank you and regards
Beran Gillen
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn wrote:
Dear Aziz and all,
May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement before the last bullet point in the following mannar:
• All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts as much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect that as much as possible.
Added paragraph:
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can ensure that the ICANN members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve it.
• The community group that will act on behalf of the respective community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.
Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far. However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and the best ways to empower the community using the right means and avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence, its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.
Tijani
On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:
[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".
You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
[French]
Chers collègues,
AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".
En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.
Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
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