FW: [ALAC] Fwd: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Call for ICANN61 Nominations
Tijani, friends I tend to agree with you and also disagree. Agree that there is need to outreach and shall have money to be used for this, but I do outreach in many occasions without the CROP, so CROP is not the only alternative for outreach. At same time Onboarding Pilot was an way to guarantee that people that will start with ICANN (so Outreach is already done) will feel welcome in order to understand all issues, have chance to choose their way inside ICANN and, as such, remain. I believe being the fund just one, it can be split between both programs. Once divided each program will focus on its goals. Guess we all agree both programs are important. What is not correct and I agree with you is use the $ from CROP to go to ICANN meetings – there is no outreach to be done there. But for ONBOARDING is just the opposite, more work shall be done during first days at ICANN meetings. As I said, being most of meeting time at AFRALO booth in Jo’Burg allowed me to respond to all doubts about ICANN and the way to go further to more than 100 colleagues, of course , mostly from Africa but this is valid for all regions. My 2 c Kisses From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 08:39 To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> Cc: 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ALAC Subcommittee Outreach <alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] [Alac-sc-outreach] Fwd: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Call for ICANN61 Nominations Dear all, I said when the CROP fund was used first for people to go to ICANN meetings, that this is a mistake. This program (CROP) was designed to make outreach for new people. Now that it’s proposed that CROP is used for the COP menses, I say nooo. No for the following reasons: · Doing so will minimize the opportunity for outreach which is the sole objective of this program · The Onboarding program would be with no interest if it is for only one meeting. Remember how many meetings took the first pilot program (From Marrakech to Abu Dhabi = 4-5 meetings) We will end up with the ICANN org cancel the CROP program because we are using it for what wasn’t intended to be the objective. As for the selection of the Mentors / Mentees, we are supposed now to do it through the community. Since we are supposed to be a bottom-up decision making community, let’s take proposals from the RALOs. The final selection from the pool the RALOs proposed should be done by the selection committee (we have created a committee, let’s use it). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 22 nov. 2017 à 00:01, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com<mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>> a écrit : Hello Olivier, Considering it's a Max of 3 persons (mentors/mentees inclusive), let me try elimination method with the options suggested inline: Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Nov 21, 2017 11:43 PM, "Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond" <ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>> wrote: Dear Maritza, thanks for your follow-up. Indeed, the program is now already published on social media and everywhere. I did not think it was going to be publicised so quickly. Yet, I have not seen the discussion start on how people will be selected for this program. RALOs? SO: Not an option since slots can't go round per RALO. Outreach & Engagement WG Chairs? SO: Can be an option but their work has been reviewing regional applications hence this may be new for them and may not necessarily be inline with their existing administrative processes. However they may make contribution to the requirements. ALAC? SO: Can be the final endorsement point but not to review. ALAC Leadership Team? SO: Probably but will not recommend based on the next option. ALAC Selection Committee? SO: I think this group are used to reviewing and selecting such non-RALO centric positions and may be in a better place to perform this task. Overall my suggestion is to push this to the ASC. Regards Kindest regards, Olivier On 21/11/2017 20:39, Maritza Y. Aguero Minano wrote: Dear Olivier, Thank you very much for your answer. The sense of my question is because this this program is already published in social media so maybe soon we will have questions about the procedure and so on. Regards, Maritza ________________________________ De: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com><mailto:ocl@gih.com> Enviado: lunes, 20 de noviembre de 2017 08:51 a. m. Para: Maritza Y. Aguero Minano; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> CC: secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ALAC Subcommittee Outreach Asunto: Re: [Alac-sc-outreach] [ALAC] Fwd: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Call for ICANN61 Nominations Dear Maritza, thanks for your follow-up. I'd hold off sending anything to communities yet, until we know how the selection process will work. The deadline for sending names to the Onboarding Program is 15 December so we have time to discuss the process before moving forward. Kindest regards, Olivier On 20/11/2017 15:40, Maritza Y. Aguero Minano wrote: Dear Olivier, Can we send this announcement to our community members for application? Regards, Maritza ________________________________ De: Alac-sc-outreach <alac-sc-outreach-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org><mailto:alac-sc-outreach-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> en nombre de Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com><mailto:ocl@gih.com> Enviado: lunes, 20 de noviembre de 2017 07:31 a. m. Para: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> CC: secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ALAC Subcommittee Outreach Asunto: Re: [Alac-sc-outreach] [ALAC] Fwd: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Call for ICANN61 Nominations (added Outreach & Engagement WG & RALO Secretariats) Thanks Beran. So that's going to be two people being selected for the Onboarding Program thus 1 mentor & 1 mentee. I am copying the RALO Secretariats & the Outreach & Engagement working group as we need to discuss what our selection process is going to be for this. Of course, 1 or 2 mentors and 5 mentees, one for region, would be a lot better for us; however budgets are not high enough to sustain this. Kindest regards, Olivier On 20/11/2017 14:12, Beran Dondeh via ALAC wrote: Dear all Please find the announcement soliciting nominations from ACs and SOs for the Onboarding program below for your information. Best Beran Begin forwarded message: From: Ergys Ramaj <ergys.ramaj@icann.org<mailto:ergys.ramaj@icann.org>> Subject: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Call for ICANN61 Nominations Date: November 20, 2017 at 1:06:27 PM GMT To: "ICANN60_Onboarding@icann.org<mailto:ICANN60_Onboarding@icann.org>" <ICANN60_Onboarding@icann.org<mailto:ICANN60_Onboarding@icann.org>> Dear all, An announcement soliciting nominations from SOs/ACs for ICANN61 has been published: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2017-11-20-en As you may recall, this is an important part of the process to ensure improved communication and transparency. Please do share with your respective groups. Best, Ergys _______________________________________________ ICANN60_Onboarding mailing list ICANN60_Onboarding@icann.org<mailto:ICANN60_Onboarding@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/icann60_onboarding _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org<http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)<https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29> _______________________________________________ Alac-sc-outreach mailing list Alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:Alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-sc-outreach _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org<http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
I agree whit Vanda and Seun. In addition, the regulation of the CROP program enables only to travel within the traveler's Region. The Ralos would lose all their outreach program. Would that regulation also be modified? Regards Alberto De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Vanda Scartezini Enviado el: miércoles, 22 de noviembre de 2017 08:52 a.m. Para: Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>; Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> CC: 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ALAC Subcommittee Outreach <alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org Asunto: [ALAC] FW: [Alac-sc-outreach] Fwd: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Call for ICANN61 Nominations Importancia: Alta Tijani, friends I tend to agree with you and also disagree. Agree that there is need to outreach and shall have money to be used for this, but I do outreach in many occasions without the CROP, so CROP is not the only alternative for outreach. At same time Onboarding Pilot was an way to guarantee that people that will start with ICANN (so Outreach is already done) will feel welcome in order to understand all issues, have chance to choose their way inside ICANN and, as such, remain. I believe being the fund just one, it can be split between both programs. Once divided each program will focus on its goals. Guess we all agree both programs are important. What is not correct and I agree with you is use the $ from CROP to go to ICANN meetings – there is no outreach to be done there. But for ONBOARDING is just the opposite, more work shall be done during first days at ICANN meetings. As I said, being most of meeting time at AFRALO booth in Jo’Burg allowed me to respond to all doubts about ICANN and the way to go further to more than 100 colleagues, of course , mostly from Africa but this is valid for all regions. My 2 c Kisses From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > on behalf of Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn <mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> > Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 08:39 To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> > Cc: 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >, "secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org> " <secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >, ALAC Subcommittee Outreach <alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [ALAC] [Alac-sc-outreach] Fwd: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Call for ICANN61 Nominations Dear all, I said when the CROP fund was used first for people to go to ICANN meetings, that this is a mistake. This program (CROP) was designed to make outreach for new people. Now that it’s proposed that CROP is used for the COP menses, I say nooo. No for the following reasons: * Doing so will minimize the opportunity for outreach which is the sole objective of this program * The Onboarding program would be with no interest if it is for only one meeting. Remember how many meetings took the first pilot program (From Marrakech to Abu Dhabi = 4-5 meetings) We will end up with the ICANN org cancel the CROP program because we are using it for what wasn’t intended to be the objective. As for the selection of the Mentors / Mentees, we are supposed now to do it through the community. Since we are supposed to be a bottom-up decision making community, let’s take proposals from the RALOs. The final selection from the pool the RALOs proposed should be done by the selection committee (we have created a committee, let’s use it). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 22 nov. 2017 à 00:01, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> > a écrit : Hello Olivier, Considering it's a Max of 3 persons (mentors/mentees inclusive), let me try elimination method with the options suggested inline: Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Nov 21, 2017 11:43 PM, "Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond" <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com> > wrote: Dear Maritza, thanks for your follow-up. Indeed, the program is now already published on social media and everywhere. I did not think it was going to be publicised so quickly. Yet, I have not seen the discussion start on how people will be selected for this program. RALOs? SO: Not an option since slots can't go round per RALO. Outreach & Engagement WG Chairs? SO: Can be an option but their work has been reviewing regional applications hence this may be new for them and may not necessarily be inline with their existing administrative processes. However they may make contribution to the requirements. ALAC? SO: Can be the final endorsement point but not to review. ALAC Leadership Team? SO: Probably but will not recommend based on the next option. ALAC Selection Committee? SO: I think this group are used to reviewing and selecting such non-RALO centric positions and may be in a better place to perform this task. Overall my suggestion is to push this to the ASC. Regards Kindest regards, Olivier On 21/11/2017 20:39, Maritza Y. Aguero Minano wrote: Dear Olivier, Thank you very much for your answer. The sense of my question is because this this program is already published in social media so maybe soon we will have questions about the procedure and so on. Regards, Maritza _____ De: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <mailto:ocl@gih.com> <ocl@gih.com> Enviado: lunes, 20 de noviembre de 2017 08:51 a. m. Para: Maritza Y. Aguero Minano; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> CC: secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ; ALAC Subcommittee Outreach Asunto: Re: [Alac-sc-outreach] [ALAC] Fwd: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Call for ICANN61 Nominations Dear Maritza, thanks for your follow-up. I'd hold off sending anything to communities yet, until we know how the selection process will work. The deadline for sending names to the Onboarding Program is 15 December so we have time to discuss the process before moving forward. Kindest regards, Olivier On 20/11/2017 15:40, Maritza Y. Aguero Minano wrote: Dear Olivier, Can we send this announcement to our community members for application? Regards, Maritza _____ De: Alac-sc-outreach <mailto:alac-sc-outreach-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <alac-sc-outreach-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> en nombre de Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <mailto:ocl@gih.com> <ocl@gih.com> Enviado: lunes, 20 de noviembre de 2017 07:31 a. m. Para: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> CC: secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ; ALAC Subcommittee Outreach Asunto: Re: [Alac-sc-outreach] [ALAC] Fwd: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Call for ICANN61 Nominations (added Outreach & Engagement WG & RALO Secretariats) Thanks Beran. So that's going to be two people being selected for the Onboarding Program thus 1 mentor & 1 mentee. I am copying the RALO Secretariats & the Outreach & Engagement working group as we need to discuss what our selection process is going to be for this. Of course, 1 or 2 mentors and 5 mentees, one for region, would be a lot better for us; however budgets are not high enough to sustain this. Kindest regards, Olivier On 20/11/2017 14:12, Beran Dondeh via ALAC wrote: Dear all Please find the announcement soliciting nominations from ACs and SOs for the Onboarding program below for your information. Best Beran Begin forwarded message: From: Ergys Ramaj <ergys.ramaj@icann.org <mailto:ergys.ramaj@icann.org> > Subject: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Call for ICANN61 Nominations Date: November 20, 2017 at 1:06:27 PM GMT To: "ICANN60_Onboarding@icann.org <mailto:ICANN60_Onboarding@icann.org> " <ICANN60_Onboarding@icann.org <mailto:ICANN60_Onboarding@icann.org> > Dear all, An announcement soliciting nominations from SOs/ACs for ICANN61 has been published: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2017-11-20-en As you may recall, this is an important part of the process to ensure improved communication and transparency. Please do share with your respective groups. 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On 22/11/2017 13:10, Alberto Soto wrote:
I agree whit Vanda and Seun. In addition, the regulation of the CROP program enables only to travel within the traveler's Region. The Ralos would lose all their outreach program. Would that regulation also be modified?
CROP has just been reviewed and that rule did not change. It is still Community REGIONAL Outreach Program, so it is very unlikely that this will change. Kindest regards, Olivier
Thanks Olivier. Regards Alberto De: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond [mailto:ocl@gih.com] Enviado el: miércoles, 22 de noviembre de 2017 10:20 a.m. Para: Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org>; 'Vanda Scartezini' <vanda@scartezini.org>; 'Tijani BEN JEMAA' <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>; 'Seun Ojedeji' <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> CC: 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; 'ALAC Subcommittee Outreach' <alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; secretariat@atlarge-lists.icann.org Asunto: Re: [ALAC] FW: [Alac-sc-outreach] Fwd: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Call for ICANN61 Nominations On 22/11/2017 13:10, Alberto Soto wrote: I agree whit Vanda and Seun. In addition, the regulation of the CROP program enables only to travel within the traveler's Region. The Ralos would lose all their outreach program. Would that regulation also be modified? CROP has just been reviewed and that rule did not change. It is still Community REGIONAL Outreach Program, so it is very unlikely that this will change. Kindest regards, Olivier --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Yes, this was brought up with Bernetta since one trip is allowed for the GNSO. I still think something like the Global IGF which embraces global potential membership is important G Glenn McKnight NARALO Secretariat mcknight.glenn@gmail.com skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight 289-830 6259 . On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
On 22/11/2017 13:10, Alberto Soto wrote:
I agree whit Vanda and Seun. In addition, the regulation of the CROP program enables only to travel within the traveler's Region. The Ralos would lose all their outreach program. Would that regulation also be modified?
CROP has just been reviewed and that rule did not change. It is still Community REGIONAL Outreach Program, so it is very unlikely that this will change. Kindest regards,
Olivier
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