Dear Maureen,
I’m fully aware of the hard work ALAC is doing, that goes without saying. It seems you didn’t get my point. 
There is difference between how we at the At-Large perceive ourselves and how the others SO/AC perceive us-Jonathan point in warning us.

As per Avri because because she does attend the CPWG meetings and she witness the efforts put and that makes her more aware of the hard work than anyone else.

The approach that I wanted to pass here particularly we are requesting monetary acknowledgment of the volunteering efforts we need to provide an evidence of ALAC contributions to ICANN. 
Again, I’m putting the example that I’ve written earlier: If you mentioned how many public comments ALAC released during the ongoing pandemic period it will be a solid evidence. You can also list the number of different pen holders, the number of deferent drafting team who worked on these statements that also shows the effort in a tangible easy to give estimate of the number of hours invested in this work.

Assuming that the other knows what we do at-large could be a false impression. 

I hope this time I made myself clear,

Best wishes in your coming mission,
Nadira


On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:22 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Nadira

The At-Large Review report was actually all about how we are improving our processes and systems so that we are in fact contributing much more effectively to the work of ICANN. This is what we were being congratulated for.

I assure you that Avri's words, as the Chair of the Operational Effectiveness Committee, carry more weight than just an individual Board member. Also I hasten to add,  that those words were very much supported by the Chair of the Board in his closing remarks on the resolution as well.

Members of At-Large have a lot to be proud of. And the staff are keeping metrics on the participation of those who certainly deserve the accolades. The rest of ICANN know the worth of the CPWG and those who have ably represented At-Large in cross-community working groups.

Our contribution is acknowledged which is why the CEO is making this unprecedented gesture by joining us in an intersessional meeting to solicit our views. 

At the same time, it doesnt matter how good we are, there is always room for improvement. 

M


On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, 8:55 pm Nadira Alaraj, <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:
The positive comment that Avri mentioned was on a work related to At-Large community and not entire ICANN. The acknowledgment of one board member of the contributions is not enough. It is better not to depend on the assumptions but to provide Information on an actual contribution that ALAC delivers.
Example: a list of all the advice statements that have been done.
How many new active contributors At-large outreach can bring to ICANN SO/ACs.


On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 7:52 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Taking those comments about the Canadian study into account. I think the workload study which we should focus on.  It gave us little snippets of comment from different personal perspectives about working in the midst of all this pandemic chaos - and still delivering. 

Org are so impressed with the work that comes out of the CPWG as is Avri on the Board. She was so congratulatory about what she sees is best practice within the Working Groups and the resultant report of the At-Large Review. But this is happening even now because people are committed. We know what the norm is, but why do all rewards stop just because we can't meet as we did? Yet we, as a community, are still producing the goods. 

M

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:45 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
I agree with Jonathan’s warning.  While I love the outcome of the Canadian study, the figures are not from the CRTC or other government instrumentality. And remember, from the ICANN Org finance point of view, we get airfare and accommodation and per diem three times a year (okay - not now, but have done - which is not, as they say in Australia ’small bickies”. )

On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:













I appreciate the sentiment but these are VERY dangerous calculations,  in this context. If we had better metrics on outreach,  it would help but that's the only place we are a possible economic contribution to the organization. In most instances, we are seen

as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be careful of the path we start down.













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Innovators Network Foundation













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Subject: Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.

 






Thanks  Maureen 

I have beating the drum for a  while that  ICANN should be proactive in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution.     Perhaps  ICANN can commission a study as they did in Canada  to demonstrate our value


ie  "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the economic contribution rises to

nearly $87 billion. But the benefits of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional

hours worked."   source 

































Glenn McKnight, MA 


Virtual School of Internet Governance 


Chief Information Officer



YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION 

























On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:






Hi everyone






I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an

opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general.







I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps

ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly

basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation. 







Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the

impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world?

In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?







Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings.

If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting.







Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant. 







Comments welcome.


Maureen




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