Fw: Interesting article about parked domains
Hi, Thanks a lot for sharing. Just read the article titled "Make Easy Money from Your Parked Domains with Google AdSense for Domains". https://www.groovypost.com/howto/google/google-adsense-for-domains-review-ma... This article by Google itself teaches you how to make money from parked domains, although at the expense of consumers and end-users. I am used to think of Google as "DO NO EVIL". Well, maybe not always ... :( Kaili
Dear Kaili, that article dates from 2010. Google has since retired Adsense for domains. https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/2456470?visit_id=1-636309457565105... Kindest regards, Olivier ps. the author is the owner of GroovyPost which has nothing to do with Google. On 21/05/2017 08:22, Kan Kaili wrote:
Hi,
Thanks a lot for sharing. Just read the article titled "Make Easy Money from Your Parked Domains with Google AdSense for Domains".
https://www.groovypost.com/howto/google/google-adsense-for-domains-review-ma...
This article by Google itself teaches you how to make money from parked domains, although at the expense of consumers and end-users.
I am used to think of Google as "DO NO EVIL". Well, maybe not always ... :(
Kaili
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Hi, I see. Thanks for pointing out. Kaili ----- Original Message ----- From: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains Dear Kaili, that article dates from 2010. Google has since retired Adsense for domains. https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/2456470?visit_id=1-636309457565105... Kindest regards, Olivier ps. the author is the owner of GroovyPost which has nothing to do with Google. On 21/05/2017 08:22, Kan Kaili wrote: Hi, Thanks a lot for sharing. Just read the article titled "Make Easy Money from Your Parked Domains with Google AdSense for Domains". https://www.groovypost.com/howto/google/google-adsense-for-domains-review-ma... This article by Google itself teaches you how to make money from parked domains, although at the expense of consumers and end-users. I am used to think of Google as "DO NO EVIL". Well, maybe not always ... :( Kaili _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) -- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
Hi again, This article may have nothing to do with Google. Sorry for that ... (although Google did provide the platform for these activities) However, it also tells how to make money at the end-users' expense quite a few years ago. Over time, according to some research, this has already grown into an industry by itself. This is one of the reasons why the At-Large community needs to look into domain parking. Kaili ----- Original Message ----- From: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains Dear Kaili, that article dates from 2010. Google has since retired Adsense for domains. https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/2456470?visit_id=1-636309457565105... Kindest regards, Olivier ps. the author is the owner of GroovyPost which has nothing to do with Google. On 21/05/2017 08:22, Kan Kaili wrote: Hi, Thanks a lot for sharing. Just read the article titled "Make Easy Money from Your Parked Domains with Google AdSense for Domains". https://www.groovypost.com/howto/google/google-adsense-for-domains-review-ma... This article by Google itself teaches you how to make money from parked domains, although at the expense of consumers and end-users. I am used to think of Google as "DO NO EVIL". Well, maybe not always ... :( Kaili _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) -- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
Domain parking is not a new issue for At-Large. We have a long and interesting history related to this topic. In 2007, there was a prevalent practice among a number of registrars and domainers called "domain tasting" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting). In short it was a completely legitimate (that is not against any rules) proactive which allowed a domain to be registered and monetized, and if it did not prove profitable, to cancel the registration at no net cost (ie free). This allowed the "tasting" on many millions of domains per month. The practice was also used to some extent for disposable domains for generating spam (it was before phishing was common). If I remember correctly, less than 1% were kept because they proved profitable (often typos of real domain names). The ALAC requested a GNSO PDP to stop the practice. Once the new policy was developed and adopted, it made tasting to expensive to be practical in the general case. The issue of parked monetized pages also arose when we were requesting a PDP on ensuring the rights of registrants who accidentally let their domain expire. It was common for the registrar to monetize the page at expiration or soon after, allowing them to make some extra money, and also gauge whether the domain was "valuable" or not. If it was valuable, they could take over the registration (virtually all registration agreements let them do that) and then use it themselves or auction it off. We ultimately decided to not object to the practice, since doing so would impact the registrars revenue stream and would make it much more difficult to achieve the real aims of the PDP. This proved to be a correct analysis. We did ensure that the monetized page clearly said it was an expired domain and told the registrant how to get it back. And made sure the price did not go up immediately due to what was learned during monetization. Interestingly we also in a few cases probably increased the monetization because it was the practice in some cases to NOT interrupt the domain and monetize it. This allowed the domain to work as if it was still owned by the original registrant until it was too late to renew the registration (generally 30 days) and then the registrar could take it over without any way for the registrant to get it back at a reasonable price. This is a discussion that we could have, but I think it rather unlikely that ICANN would stop the practice, as it directly goes to how the domain is being used and its content. The only real issue within ICANN's current remit is that in many cases, a parked domain is one that is found by incorrectly typing a URL. A few years ago it was common to his monetized pages through a search engine, but these days the search sites seem pretty good at filtering them out - or at least that is my experience (largely with Google). Alan At 21/05/2017 03:11 AM, Kan Kaili wrote:
Hi again,
This article may have nothing to do with Google. Sorry for that ... (although Google did provide the platform for these activities)
However, it also tells how to make money at the end-users' expense quite a few years ago. Over time, according to some research, this has already grown into an industry by itself.
This is one of the reasons why the At-Large community needs to look into domain parking.
Kaili
----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:ocl@gih.com>Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond To: <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains
Dear Kaili,
that article dates from 2010. Google has since retired Adsense for domains.
Kindest regards,
Olivier
ps. the author is the owner of GroovyPost which has nothing to do with Google.
On 21/05/2017 08:22, Kan Kaili wrote:
Hi,
Thanks a lot for sharing. Just read the article titled "Make Easy Money from Your Parked Domains with Google AdSense for Domains".
This article by Google itself teaches you how to make money from parked domains, although at the expense of consumers and end-users.
I am used to think of Google as "DO NO EVIL". Well, maybe not always ... :(
Kaili
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In my previous practice: up to 10% of search revenue went to parked domains (in Russia) in 2010 before Google and Yandex changed keywords and reference links measurements, took it down below 1%. Expired domains, auctions is a significant part of registrars business. There is nothing wrong when buying good names at extra price. The process of expiration is kind of uniform for gTLD world, however ccTLDs use different schemes. --andrei вс, 21 мая 2017 г. в 10:06, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>:
Domain parking is not a new issue for At-Large. We have a long and interesting history related to this topic.
In 2007, there was a prevalent practice among a number of registrars and domainers called "domain tasting" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting). In short it was a completely legitimate (that is not against any rules) proactive which allowed a domain to be registered and monetized, and if it did not prove profitable, to cancel the registration at no net cost (ie free). This allowed the "tasting" on many millions of domains per month. The practice was also used to some extent for disposable domains for generating spam (it was before phishing was common). If I remember correctly, less than 1% were kept because they proved profitable (often typos of real domain names). The ALAC requested a GNSO PDP to stop the practice. Once the new policy was developed and adopted, it made tasting to expensive to be practical in the general case.
The issue of parked monetized pages also arose when we were requesting a PDP on ensuring the rights of registrants who accidentally let their domain expire. It was common for the registrar to monetize the page at expiration or soon after, allowing them to make some extra money, and also gauge whether the domain was "valuable" or not. If it was valuable, they could take over the registration (virtually all registration agreements let them do that) and then use it themselves or auction it off. We ultimately decided to not object to the practice, since doing so would impact the registrars revenue stream and would make it much more difficult to achieve the real aims of the PDP. This proved to be a correct analysis. We did ensure that the monetized page clearly said it was an expired domain and told the registrant how to get it back. And made sure the price did not go up immediately due to what was learned during monetization.
Interestingly we also in a few cases probably increased the monetization because it was the practice in some cases to NOT interrupt the domain and monetize it. This allowed the domain to work as if it was still owned by the original registrant until it was too late to renew the registration (generally 30 days) and then the registrar could take it over without any way for the registrant to get it back at a reasonable price.
This is a discussion that we could have, but I think it rather unlikely that ICANN would stop the practice, as it directly goes to how the domain is being used and its content. The only real issue within ICANN's current remit is that in many cases, a parked domain is one that is found by incorrectly typing a URL. A few years ago it was common to his monetized pages through a search engine, but these days the search sites seem pretty good at filtering them out - or at least that is my experience (largely with Google).
Alan
At 21/05/2017 03:11 AM, Kan Kaili wrote:
Hi again,
This article may have nothing to do with Google. Sorry for that ... (although Google did provide the platform for these activities)
However, it also tells how to make money at the end-users' expense quite a few years ago. Over time, according to some research, this has already grown into an industry by itself.
This is one of the reasons why the At-Large community needs to look into domain parking.
Kaili
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From: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>
To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains
Dear Kaili,
that article dates from 2010. Google has since retired Adsense for domains.
https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/2456470?visit_id=1-636309457565105...
Kindest regards,
Olivier
ps. the author is the owner of GroovyPost which has nothing to do with Google.
On 21/05/2017 08:22, Kan Kaili wrote:
Hi,
Thanks a lot for sharing. Just read the article titled "Make Easy Money from Your Parked Domains with Google AdSense for Domains".
https://www.groovypost.com/howto/google/google-adsense-for-domains-review-ma...
This article by Google itself teaches you how to make money from parked domains, although at the expense of consumers and end-users.
I am used to think of Google as "DO NO EVIL". Well, maybe not always ... :(
Kaili
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Good to remember Alan. By the way, guess you should be listed as someone to be interviewed for ICANN History , if you didn’t yet. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. HAPPY 2017! From: <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 2:05 PM To: Kan Kaili <kankaili@gmail.com>, 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains Domain parking is not a new issue for At-Large. We have a long and interesting history related to this topic. In 2007, there was a prevalent practice among a number of registrars and domainers called "domain tasting" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting). In short it was a completely legitimate (that is not against any rules) proactive which allowed a domain to be registered and monetized, and if it did not prove profitable, to cancel the registration at no net cost (ie free). This allowed the "tasting" on many millions of domains per month. The practice was also used to some extent for disposable domains for generating spam (it was before phishing was common). If I remember correctly, less than 1% were kept because they proved profitable (often typos of real domain names). The ALAC requested a GNSO PDP to stop the practice. Once the new policy was developed and adopted, it made tasting to expensive to be practical in the general case. The issue of parked monetized pages also arose when we were requesting a PDP on ensuring the rights of registrants who accidentally let their domain expire. It was common for the registrar to monetize the page at expiration or soon after, allowing them to make some extra money, and also gauge whether the domain was "valuable" or not. If it was valuable, they could take over the registration (virtually all registration agreements let them do that) and then use it themselves or auction it off. We ultimately decided to not object to the practice, since doing so would impact the registrars revenue stream and would make it much more difficult to achieve the real aims of the PDP. This proved to be a correct analysis. We did ensure that the monetized page clearly said it was an expired domain and told the registrant how to get it back. And made sure the price did not go up immediately due to what was learned during monetization. Interestingly we also in a few cases probably increased the monetization because it was the practice in some cases to NOT interrupt the domain and monetize it. This allowed the domain to work as if it was still owned by the original registrant until it was too late to renew the registration (generally 30 days) and then the registrar could take it over without any way for the registrant to get it back at a reasonable price. This is a discussion that we could have, but I think it rather unlikely that ICANN would stop the practice, as it directly goes to how the domain is being used and its content. The only real issue within ICANN's current remit is that in many cases, a parked domain is one that is found by incorrectly typing a URL. A few years ago it was common to his monetized pages through a search engine, but these days the search sites seem pretty good at filtering them out - or at least that is my experience (largely with Google). Alan At 21/05/2017 03:11 AM, Kan Kaili wrote: Hi again, This article may have nothing to do with Google. Sorry for that ... (although Google did provide the platform for these activities) However, it also tells how to make money at the end-users' expense quite a few years ago. Over time, according to some research, this has already grown into an industry by itself. This is one of the reasons why the At-Large community needs to look into domain parking. Kaili ----- Original Message ----- From: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond<mailto:ocl@gih.com> To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains Dear Kaili, that article dates from 2010. Google has since retired Adsense for domains. https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/2456470?visit_id=1-636309457565105... Kindest regards, Olivier ps. the author is the owner of GroovyPost which has nothing to do with Google. On 21/05/2017 08:22, Kan Kaili wrote: Hi, Thanks a lot for sharing. Just read the article titled "Make Easy Money from Your Parked Domains with Google AdSense for Domains". https://www.groovypost.com/howto/google/google-adsense-for-domains-review-ma... This article by Google itself teaches you how to make money from parked domains, although at the expense of consumers and end-users. I am used to think of Google as "DO NO EVIL". 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Ah yes, and so it should! Like I say, Alan is simply the best researcher we have...and IMHO, the most significant portion of the institutional memory ala ICANN in the At-Large. ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote:
Good to remember Alan. By the way, guess you should be listed as someone to be interviewed for ICANN History , if you didn’t yet.
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Domain parking is not a new issue for At-Large. We have a long and interesting history related to this topic.
In 2007, there was a prevalent practice among a number of registrars and domainers called "domain tasting" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Domain_tasting). In short it was a completely legitimate (that is not against any rules) proactive which allowed a domain to be registered and monetized, and if it did not prove profitable, to cancel the registration at no net cost (ie free). This allowed the "tasting" on many millions of domains per month. The practice was also used to some extent for disposable domains for generating spam (it was before phishing was common). If I remember correctly, less than 1% were kept because they proved profitable (often typos of real domain names). The ALAC requested a GNSO PDP to stop the practice. Once the new policy was developed and adopted, it made tasting to expensive to be practical in the general case.
The issue of parked monetized pages also arose when we were requesting a PDP on ensuring the rights of registrants who accidentally let their domain expire. It was common for the registrar to monetize the page at expiration or soon after, allowing them to make some extra money, and also gauge whether the domain was "valuable" or not. If it was valuable, they could take over the registration (virtually all registration agreements let them do that) and then use it themselves or auction it off. We ultimately decided to not object to the practice, since doing so would impact the registrars revenue stream and would make it much more difficult to achieve the real aims of the PDP. This proved to be a correct analysis. We did ensure that the monetized page clearly said it was an expired domain and told the registrant how to get it back. And made sure the price did not go up immediately due to what was learned during monetization.
Interestingly we also in a few cases probably increased the monetization because it was the practice in some cases to NOT interrupt the domain and monetize it. This allowed the domain to work as if it was still owned by the original registrant until it was too late to renew the registration (generally 30 days) and then the registrar could take it over without any way for the registrant to get it back at a reasonable price.
This is a discussion that we could have, but I think it rather unlikely that ICANN would stop the practice, as it directly goes to how the domain is being used and its content. The only real issue within ICANN's current remit is that in many cases, a parked domain is one that is found by incorrectly typing a URL. A few years ago it was common to his monetized pages through a search engine, but these days the search sites seem pretty good at filtering them out - or at least that is my experience (largely with Google).
Alan
At 21/05/2017 03:11 AM, Kan Kaili wrote:
Hi again,
This article may have nothing to do with Google. Sorry for that ... (although Google did provide the platform for these activities)
However, it also tells how to make money at the end-users' expense quite a few years ago. Over time, according to some research, this has already grown into an industry by itself.
This is one of the reasons why the At-Large community needs to look into domain parking.
Kaili
----- Original Message -----
From: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>
To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains
Dear Kaili,
that article dates from 2010. Google has since retired Adsense for domains.
https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/2456470?visit_ id=1-636309457565105321-703054909&ctx=as2&rd=1
Kindest regards,
Olivier
ps. the author is the owner of GroovyPost which has nothing to do with Google.
On 21/05/2017 08:22, Kan Kaili wrote:
Hi,
Thanks a lot for sharing. Just read the article titled "Make Easy Money from Your Parked Domains with Google AdSense for Domains".
https://www.groovypost.com/howto/google/google-adsense- for-domains-review-make-money-from-parked/
This article by Google itself teaches you how to make money from parked domains, although at the expense of consumers and end-users.
I am used to think of Google as "DO NO EVIL". Well, maybe not always ... :(
Kaili
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Totally agree Carlton. From my side I will talk with the organizing interviews staff to keep an eye on Alan, just for the safety of the process. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. HAPPY 2017! From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Date: Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:35 PM To: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> Cc: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>, Kan Kaili <kankaili@gmail.com>, 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains Ah yes, and so it should! Like I say, Alan is simply the best researcher we have...and IMHO, the most significant portion of the institutional memory ala ICANN in the At-Large. ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org>> wrote: Good to remember Alan. By the way, guess you should be listed as someone to be interviewed for ICANN History , if you didn’t yet. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253<tel:+55%2011%203266-6253> Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464<tel:+55%2011%2098181-1464> Sorry for any typos. HAPPY 2017! From: <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 2:05 PM To: Kan Kaili <kankaili@gmail.com<mailto:kankaili@gmail.com>>, 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>, Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains Domain parking is not a new issue for At-Large. We have a long and interesting history related to this topic. In 2007, there was a prevalent practice among a number of registrars and domainers called "domain tasting" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting). In short it was a completely legitimate (that is not against any rules) proactive which allowed a domain to be registered and monetized, and if it did not prove profitable, to cancel the registration at no net cost (ie free). This allowed the "tasting" on many millions of domains per month. The practice was also used to some extent for disposable domains for generating spam (it was before phishing was common). If I remember correctly, less than 1% were kept because they proved profitable (often typos of real domain names). The ALAC requested a GNSO PDP to stop the practice. Once the new policy was developed and adopted, it made tasting to expensive to be practical in the general case. The issue of parked monetized pages also arose when we were requesting a PDP on ensuring the rights of registrants who accidentally let their domain expire. It was common for the registrar to monetize the page at expiration or soon after, allowing them to make some extra money, and also gauge whether the domain was "valuable" or not. If it was valuable, they could take over the registration (virtually all registration agreements let them do that) and then use it themselves or auction it off. We ultimately decided to not object to the practice, since doing so would impact the registrars revenue stream and would make it much more difficult to achieve the real aims of the PDP. This proved to be a correct analysis. We did ensure that the monetized page clearly said it was an expired domain and told the registrant how to get it back. And made sure the price did not go up immediately due to what was learned during monetization. Interestingly we also in a few cases probably increased the monetization because it was the practice in some cases to NOT interrupt the domain and monetize it. This allowed the domain to work as if it was still owned by the original registrant until it was too late to renew the registration (generally 30 days) and then the registrar could take it over without any way for the registrant to get it back at a reasonable price. This is a discussion that we could have, but I think it rather unlikely that ICANN would stop the practice, as it directly goes to how the domain is being used and its content. The only real issue within ICANN's current remit is that in many cases, a parked domain is one that is found by incorrectly typing a URL. A few years ago it was common to his monetized pages through a search engine, but these days the search sites seem pretty good at filtering them out - or at least that is my experience (largely with Google). Alan At 21/05/2017 03:11 AM, Kan Kaili wrote: Hi again, This article may have nothing to do with Google. Sorry for that ... (although Google did provide the platform for these activities) However, it also tells how to make money at the end-users' expense quite a few years ago. Over time, according to some research, this has already grown into an industry by itself. This is one of the reasons why the At-Large community needs to look into domain parking. Kaili ----- Original Message ----- From: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond<mailto:ocl@gih.com> To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains Dear Kaili, that article dates from 2010. Google has since retired Adsense for domains. https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/2456470?visit_id=1-636309457565105... Kindest regards, Olivier ps. the author is the owner of GroovyPost which has nothing to do with Google. On 21/05/2017 08:22, Kan Kaili wrote: Hi, Thanks a lot for sharing. Just read the article titled "Make Easy Money from Your Parked Domains with Google AdSense for Domains". https://www.groovypost.com/howto/google/google-adsense-for-domains-review-ma... This article by Google itself teaches you how to make money from parked domains, although at the expense of consumers and end-users. I am used to think of Google as "DO NO EVIL". 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Understandable! He was researcher on University his whole life, has all the tools to do so and We must be glad he shares his capacity and knowledge with us!!! Kisses to all Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. HAPPY 2017! From: <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Date: Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:35 PM To: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> Cc: 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains Ah yes, and so it should! Like I say, Alan is simply the best researcher we have...and IMHO, the most significant portion of the institutional memory ala ICANN in the At-Large. ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote: Good to remember Alan. By the way, guess you should be listed as someone to be interviewed for ICANN History , if you didn’t yet. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. HAPPY 2017! From: <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 2:05 PM To: Kan Kaili <kankaili@gmail.com>, 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains Domain parking is not a new issue for At-Large. We have a long and interesting history related to this topic. In 2007, there was a prevalent practice among a number of registrars and domainers called "domain tasting" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting). In short it was a completely legitimate (that is not against any rules) proactive which allowed a domain to be registered and monetized, and if it did not prove profitable, to cancel the registration at no net cost (ie free). This allowed the "tasting" on many millions of domains per month. The practice was also used to some extent for disposable domains for generating spam (it was before phishing was common). If I remember correctly, less than 1% were kept because they proved profitable (often typos of real domain names). The ALAC requested a GNSO PDP to stop the practice. Once the new policy was developed and adopted, it made tasting to expensive to be practical in the general case. The issue of parked monetized pages also arose when we were requesting a PDP on ensuring the rights of registrants who accidentally let their domain expire. It was common for the registrar to monetize the page at expiration or soon after, allowing them to make some extra money, and also gauge whether the domain was "valuable" or not. If it was valuable, they could take over the registration (virtually all registration agreements let them do that) and then use it themselves or auction it off. We ultimately decided to not object to the practice, since doing so would impact the registrars revenue stream and would make it much more difficult to achieve the real aims of the PDP. This proved to be a correct analysis. We did ensure that the monetized page clearly said it was an expired domain and told the registrant how to get it back. And made sure the price did not go up immediately due to what was learned during monetization. Interestingly we also in a few cases probably increased the monetization because it was the practice in some cases to NOT interrupt the domain and monetize it. This allowed the domain to work as if it was still owned by the original registrant until it was too late to renew the registration (generally 30 days) and then the registrar could take it over without any way for the registrant to get it back at a reasonable price. This is a discussion that we could have, but I think it rather unlikely that ICANN would stop the practice, as it directly goes to how the domain is being used and its content. The only real issue within ICANN's current remit is that in many cases, a parked domain is one that is found by incorrectly typing a URL. A few years ago it was common to his monetized pages through a search engine, but these days the search sites seem pretty good at filtering them out - or at least that is my experience (largely with Google). Alan At 21/05/2017 03:11 AM, Kan Kaili wrote: Hi again, This article may have nothing to do with Google. Sorry for that ... (although Google did provide the platform for these activities) However, it also tells how to make money at the end-users' expense quite a few years ago. Over time, according to some research, this has already grown into an industry by itself. This is one of the reasons why the At-Large community needs to look into domain parking. Kaili ----- Original Message ----- From: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains Dear Kaili, that article dates from 2010. Google has since retired Adsense for domains. https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/2456470?visit_id=1-636309457565105... Kindest regards, Olivier ps. the author is the owner of GroovyPost which has nothing to do with Google. On 21/05/2017 08:22, Kan Kaili wrote: Hi, Thanks a lot for sharing. Just read the article titled "Make Easy Money from Your Parked Domains with Google AdSense for Domains". https://www.groovypost.com/howto/google/google-adsense-for-domains-review-ma... This article by Google itself teaches you how to make money from parked domains, although at the expense of consumers and end-users. I am used to think of Google as "DO NO EVIL". 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