Re: [ALAC] [IDN-WG] [ALAC-Internal] Draft Implementation Plan for IDN Fast Track Process
I consider that Hong thoughts are very clear, we could use the ideas to improve Siva 's paper. Vanda Scartezini POLO Consultores Associados & IT Trend Alameda Santos 1470 cjs 1407/8 01418-903 Sao Paulo,SP. Fone + 55 11 3266.6253 Mob + 5511 8181.1464 From: Hong Xue [mailto:hongxueipr@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:43 AM To: Vanda Scartezini Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff; idn-wg@atlarge-lists.icann.org; At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] [ALAC-Internal] Draft Implementation Plan for IDN Fast Track Process Thanks, Vanda and other friends! I've posted my comments on the wiki. I believe that a simple, clear and strong statement (in bulletin points) would effectively get our message out. I don't believe the Board would have the patience to read through the analysis. Here are my personal comments: a) Fast-track IDN ccTLDs must be implemented as planned, i.e. in Q4 of 2009 as the latest, to meet the "pressing need" of non-ASCII user community; b) Any implementation plan must strictly observe the IDN Guidelines and IDN tables reserved at the ICANN. Any ignorance on variant character set would cause serious user confusion. The present draft policy on variants would seriously pledge the non-ASCII users, particularly in Chinese, Japanese and Korean community, by distorting their character usage. If the present policy equals ASCII TLD variants in either capital letters or low-case letters, non-ASCII users should have the equal right to use the variant scripts in the relevant fast-track IDN ccTLDs. c) The cost estimated for the processing of each new IDN ccTLD request is prohibitively high. The financial barrier for IDN ccTLD managers especially from developing countries would widen the digital divide and be against the ICANN's social responsibility. Hong -- Hong Xue, Ph.D. Professor of Law Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law Beijing Normal University 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@uol.com.br> wrote: Hi Hong I believe, besides your personal comment, would be good to add your ideas to this discussion Siva compiled to aggregate your ideas into our paper. kisses Vanda Scartezini POLO Consultores Associados & IT Trend Alameda Santos 1470 cjs 1407/8 01418-903 Sao Paulo,SP. Fone + 55 11 3266.6253 Mob + 5511 8181.1464 -----Original Message----- From: idn-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:idn-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Hong Xue Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:50 AM To: Nick Ashton-Hart Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff; idn-wg@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Working List Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] [ALAC-Internal] Draft Implementation Plan for IDN Fast Track Process Hi, Nick, my last email was actually based on my reading of that draft on the wiki. Basically I feel it is difficult to understand it. But if it is the outcome of a long discussion within ALAC, I guess I'd better be quiet and send in my comment as an individual. Hong On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org
wrote:
Dear Hong:
FYI, as you will see on the At-Large Policy Advice Development calendar at http://www.atlarge.icann.org/policycalendar, the draft statement composed by Siva is now available for At-Large comment at
https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?comment_on_draft_implementation_pla <https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?comment_on_draft_implementation_pl a%0An_for_idn_cctld_fast_track_process_revision_3> n_for_idn_cctld_fast_track_process_revision_3.
This was announced last week in case anyone missed it.
Comments on the draft will continue to be taken until 7th July. May I encourage you to visit the above URL and leave any further comments as well as the one below? I'm sure that your comments will be very valuable, especially considering your long tenure as the previous IDN Liaison for ALAC.
Hong Xue wrote:
Since the deadline has passed, I'm not making any new suggestion but do concern what has been deleted from the original DIP, such as contracts
and
financial contribution. I wonder whether these parts will be subject to separate documents or "gentleman's agreement".
Also, I hope the whole discussions could be on the public list. It is difficult for the community to follow the sporadic announcements from time to time.
Hong
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org <mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>> wrote:
Dear All:
To add to the schedule below one final point, a draft ALAC Statement on the v3 Fast Track proposal is due on the 26th (today), so that it can be posted for At-Large community comment.
Separately, in addition to the PDF clean text which Siva has referenced, there is a redline text available at
http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cctl <http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cct l%0Ad-redline-29may09-en.pdf> d-redline-29may09-en.pdf
. This shows the differences between v2, which the ALAC commented on, and the present text; for those familiar with the previous version, looking at the redline text should make it much easier to decide what At-Large should say about v3, since only parts of the text have changed.
There are versions in the six UN languages:
Espanol:
http://www.icann.org/es/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cctl <http://www.icann.org/es/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cct l%0Ad-redline-29may09-es.pdf> d-redline-29may09-es.pdf
Francais:
http://www.icann.org/fr/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cctl <http://www.icann.org/fr/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cct l%0Ad-redline-29may09-fr.pdf> d-redline-29may09-fr.pdf
The others may all be found from http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-31may09-en.htm
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
Hello
The third revision of the Draft Implementation Plan is at page
http://icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cctld-cl <http://icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cctld-c l%0Aean-29may09-en.pdfwhich> ean-29may09-en.pdfwhich
is also attached as a PDF here. As per schedule ICANN public consultation closes on 15th July. ALAC consultation on this topic would open on 30th June and closes on 7th July, based on which a final draft is to be preapred and posted for voting on 9th. Voting would close on 14th on the ALAC submission.
Please go through the attached PDF with specific consideration to the following:
1. Page 25 - 29 Process Overview and the detailed flowcharts- are there any comments about the process as outlined?
2. 3.4 Technical String Criteria : Should Alac recommend relaxation on the number of characters required? Is this a technical issue or a socio-political issue? What would be alac's position on this?
3. 5.5 contentin issues
4. 5.6 Processing of a Fast Track issue
5. 6.3 US Government Authorization: is this within the purview of alac to comment in the context of IDNs.
6. Are there specific IDN points from the various constituency sessions of other constituencies that alac is in agreement with, that may be featured as points agreed, in the alac draft comment?
I also wish to submit to alac and the IDN Working Group to consider the fact that the fast track process has taken a long time, during which there have been positive developmens on the technical and process readiness on the part of ICANN to implement IDN's, so is there a need to imply a delayed implementation of the gTLD process? Would alac like to consider being equally concerned about ccTLDs and gTLDs?
And is there anything that requires caution on the path towards implentation of IDNs? There was some opinion that DNS stability takes precedence over the fast track process. Is there any such contrary opinion and are these opinions have any validity?
To truly fast track the IDN process, I wish to propose to alac to propose to ICANN that an "IDN Day" be organized, either for one full day preceeding the ICANN meeting to bring together the constituencies concerned to focussed sessions on security, legal and commericial issues, all related to IDN's. If an additional day is not possible, a relatively light day such as a Thrusday could be dedicated for discussions on IDNs for ICANN to come to a conclusive position on IDNs and truly fast track the implementation process.
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Agreed we need something simple pithy and concise building on all our previous work/ statements... I endorse Hong's bullet point proposal/approach... CLO 2009/7/5 Vanda Scartezini <vanda@uol.com.br>
I consider that Hong thoughts are very clear, we could use the ideas to improve Siva 's paper.
Vanda Scartezini
POLO Consultores Associados
& IT Trend
Alameda Santos 1470 cjs 1407/8
01418-903 Sao Paulo,SP.
Fone + 55 11 3266.6253
Mob + 5511 8181.1464
From: Hong Xue [mailto:hongxueipr@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:43 AM To: Vanda Scartezini Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff; idn-wg@atlarge-lists.icann.org; At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] [ALAC-Internal] Draft Implementation Plan for IDN Fast Track Process
Thanks, Vanda and other friends! I've posted my comments on the wiki.
I believe that a simple, clear and strong statement (in bulletin points) would effectively get our message out. I don't believe the Board would have the patience to read through the analysis.
Here are my personal comments:
a) Fast-track IDN ccTLDs must be implemented as planned, i.e. in Q4 of 2009 as the latest, to meet the "pressing need" of non-ASCII user community;
b) Any implementation plan must strictly observe the IDN Guidelines and IDN tables reserved at the ICANN. Any ignorance on variant character set would cause serious user confusion. The present draft policy on variants would seriously pledge the non-ASCII users, particularly in Chinese, Japanese and Korean community, by distorting their character usage. If the present policy equals ASCII TLD variants in either capital letters or low-case letters, non-ASCII users should have the equal right to use the variant scripts in the relevant fast-track IDN ccTLDs.
c) The cost estimated for the processing of each new IDN ccTLD request is prohibitively high. The financial barrier for IDN ccTLD managers especially from developing countries would widen the digital divide and be against the ICANN's social responsibility.
Hong
-- Hong Xue, Ph.D. Professor of Law Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law Beijing Normal University 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@uol.com.br> wrote:
Hi Hong I believe, besides your personal comment, would be good to add your ideas to this discussion Siva compiled to aggregate your ideas into our paper. kisses
Vanda Scartezini POLO Consultores Associados & IT Trend Alameda Santos 1470 cjs 1407/8 01418-903 Sao Paulo,SP. Fone + 55 11 3266.6253 Mob + 5511 8181.1464
-----Original Message----- From: idn-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:idn-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Hong Xue Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:50 AM To: Nick Ashton-Hart Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff; idn-wg@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Working List Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] [ALAC-Internal] Draft Implementation Plan for IDN Fast Track Process
Hi, Nick, my last email was actually based on my reading of that draft on the wiki. Basically I feel it is difficult to understand it. But if it is the outcome of a long discussion within ALAC, I guess I'd better be quiet and send in my comment as an individual.
Hong
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org
wrote:
Dear Hong:
FYI, as you will see on the At-Large Policy Advice Development calendar at http://www.atlarge.icann.org/policycalendar, the draft statement composed by Siva is now available for At-Large comment at
https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?comment_on_draft_implementation_pla < https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?comment_on_draft_implementation_pl a%0An_for_idn_cctld_fast_track_process_revision_3> n_for_idn_cctld_fast_track_process_revision_3.
This was announced last week in case anyone missed it.
Comments on the draft will continue to be taken until 7th July. May I encourage you to visit the above URL and leave any further comments as well as the one below? I'm sure that your comments will be very valuable, especially considering your long tenure as the previous IDN Liaison for ALAC.
Hong Xue wrote:
Since the deadline has passed, I'm not making any new suggestion but do concern what has been deleted from the original DIP, such as contracts
and
financial contribution. I wonder whether these parts will be subject to separate documents or "gentleman's agreement".
Also, I hope the whole discussions could be on the public list. It is difficult for the community to follow the sporadic announcements from time to time.
Hong
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org <mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>> wrote:
Dear All:
To add to the schedule below one final point, a draft ALAC Statement on the v3 Fast Track proposal is due on the 26th (today), so that it can be posted for At-Large community comment.
Separately, in addition to the PDF clean text which Siva has referenced, there is a redline text available at
http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cctl < http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cct l%0Ad-redline-29may09-en.pdf> d-redline-29may09-en.pdf
. This shows the differences between v2, which the ALAC commented on, and the present text; for those familiar with the previous version, looking at the redline text should make it much easier to decide what At-Large should say about v3, since only parts of the text have changed.
There are versions in the six UN languages:
Espanol:
http://www.icann.org/es/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cctl < http://www.icann.org/es/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cct l%0Ad-redline-29may09-es.pdf> d-redline-29may09-es.pdf
Francais:
http://www.icann.org/fr/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cctl < http://www.icann.org/fr/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cct l%0Ad-redline-29may09-fr.pdf> d-redline-29may09-fr.pdf
The others may all be found from http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-31may09-en.htm
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
Hello
The third revision of the Draft Implementation Plan is at page
http://icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cctld-cl < http://icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/draft-implementation-plan-cctld-c l%0Aean-29may09-en.pdfwhich> ean-29may09-en.pdfwhich
is also attached as a PDF here. As per schedule ICANN public consultation closes on 15th July. ALAC consultation on this topic would open on 30th June and closes on 7th July, based on which a final draft is to be preapred and posted for voting on 9th. Voting would close on 14th on the ALAC submission.
Please go through the attached PDF with specific consideration to the following:
1. Page 25 - 29 Process Overview and the detailed flowcharts- are there any comments about the process as outlined?
2. 3.4 Technical String Criteria : Should Alac recommend relaxation on the number of characters required? Is this a technical issue or a socio-political issue? What would be alac's position on this?
3. 5.5 contentin issues
4. 5.6 Processing of a Fast Track issue
5. 6.3 US Government Authorization: is this within the purview of alac to comment in the context of IDNs.
6. Are there specific IDN points from the various constituency sessions of other constituencies that alac is in agreement with, that may be featured as points agreed, in the alac draft comment?
I also wish to submit to alac and the IDN Working Group to consider the fact that the fast track process has taken a long time, during which there have been positive developmens on the technical and process readiness on the part of ICANN to implement IDN's, so is there a need to imply a
delayed
implementation of the gTLD process? Would alac like to consider being equally concerned about ccTLDs and gTLDs?
And is there anything that requires caution on the path towards implentation of IDNs? There was some opinion that DNS stability takes precedence over the fast track process. Is there any such contrary opinion and are these opinions have any validity?
To truly fast track the IDN process, I wish to propose to alac to propose to ICANN that an "IDN Day" be organized, either for one full day preceeding the ICANN meeting to bring together the constituencies concerned to focussed sessions on security, legal and commericial issues, all related to IDN's. If an additional day is not possible, a relatively light day such as a Thrusday could be dedicated for discussions on IDNs for ICANN to come to a conclusive position on IDNs and truly fast track the implementation process.
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