Re: [ALAC] [lac-discuss-en] Replacement Elector For Leon Sánchez
Hello, Actually I do think the simple fix is to allow any nominee to be able to cast his/her vote if the nominee happen to be an elector. I don't see any major reason why we restrict them in the first place as their "singular" vote wouldn't get them elected. I was able to cast my vote as member of AFRINIC for the election that placed me on the Board and ofcourse my vote wasn't the deciding factor(it could have been as well). On that note, we may perhaps just put a condition that the nominee vote cannot break a tie(if that happens), even I still don't think we need to put any restriction. Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Feb 10, 2017 17:08, "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote: I add my support for Fatima to replace Leon as elector for the Board member election. Notwithstanding my support here, the rule that makes the RALO the determining voice for the vote of a NomCom appointed ALAC member is hopelessly flawed. Maybe it was unintentional but this impugns the independence of the member. The unfettered independence of the NomCom appointed ALAC member is a major objective of that process and is meant to insulate that person from regional passions. That independence is especially valuable when that is an elector for the Board member. should not be conscripted. -Carlton Samuels ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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Hi Sean, I understand your point, that in most elections enabling candidates to vote in their elections woould not be a big deal. Why that may be a problem here is that there are only 20 electors. So any individual vote can make a difference, as it has in the past in close votes. BUT.... now that you mention it... In this particular election, the only two candidates are BOTH eligible voters too. So, at least this time it would not at all damage the integrity of the election if both were allowed to vote; one would imagine that their votes would cancel each other out, and the remaining 18 voters would decide the result. (should either Alan or Leon not vote for themselves I would be terribly confused.) Similarly, if neither Leon nor Alan voted, but no replacements were chosen, a similar result would ensue. As the NARALO-designated replacement voter for Alan, I would be happily yield back should one of these sensible approaches be adopted; that is , either both Alan and Leon are entitled to vote, or neither is replaced. Mind you, if there's something that At-Large excels at it's overly complicated processes, so I won't get my hopes up. On 10 February 2017 at 14:54, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Actually I do think the simple fix is to allow any nominee to be able to cast his/her vote if the nominee happen to be an elector. I don't see any major reason why we restrict them in the first place as their "singular" vote wouldn't get them elected.
I was able to cast my vote as member of AFRINIC for the election that placed me on the Board and ofcourse my vote wasn't the deciding factor(it could have been as well).
On that note, we may perhaps just put a condition that the nominee vote cannot break a tie(if that happens), even I still don't think we need to put any restriction.
Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Feb 10, 2017 17:08, "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
I add my support for Fatima to replace Leon as elector for the Board member election.
Notwithstanding my support here, the rule that makes the RALO the determining voice for the vote of a NomCom appointed ALAC member is hopelessly flawed.
Maybe it was unintentional but this impugns the independence of the member. The unfettered independence of the NomCom appointed ALAC member is a major objective of that process and is meant to insulate that person from regional passions. That independence is especially valuable when that is an elector for the Board member. should not be conscripted.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== *Carlton A Samuels*
*Mobile: 876-818-1799 <(876)%20818-1799>Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Feb 10, 2017 21:39, "Evan Leibovitch" <evan@telly.org> wrote: Hi Sean, I understand your point, that in most elections enabling candidates to vote in their elections woould not be a big deal. Why that may be a problem here is that there are only 20 electors. So any individual vote can make a difference, as it has in the past in close votes. SO: Yeah it can assuming the election were heading into a tie and this is why I suggested that we should not let the vote of the nominee break the tie so as not to put the other nominees on a disadvantage. A rule like "a nominee who is an electorate must win by a minimum of 2 votes difference" may suffice. BUT.... now that you mention it... In this particular election, the only two candidates are BOTH eligible voters too. So, at least this time it would not at all damage the integrity of the election if both were allowed to vote; one would imagine that their votes would cancel each other out, and the remaining 18 voters would decide the result. SO: Indeed! (should either Alan or Leon not vote for themselves I would be terribly confused.) SO: ;-) As the NARALO-designated replacement voter for Alan, I would be happily yield back should one of these sensible approaches be adopted; that is , either both Alan and Leon are entitled to vote, or neither is replaced. SO: Even though I understand we cannot change the process at this time, I will be fine with either of your suggestion as well and will suggest addressing the scenario where a nominee is on the advantage (in a manner I suggested above). Perhaps something to note to the BMSPC post election. Mind you, if there's something that At-Large excels at it's overly complicated processes, so I won't get my hopes up. SO: Hmm...Wait for a more complicated version in the supposed AtLarge 2.0, which actually seem like a 0.5 (assuming the current is version 1.5) ;-) Regards On 10 February 2017 at 14:54, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Actually I do think the simple fix is to allow any nominee to be able to cast his/her vote if the nominee happen to be an elector. I don't see any major reason why we restrict them in the first place as their "singular" vote wouldn't get them elected.
I was able to cast my vote as member of AFRINIC for the election that placed me on the Board and ofcourse my vote wasn't the deciding factor(it could have been as well).
On that note, we may perhaps just put a condition that the nominee vote cannot break a tie(if that happens), even I still don't think we need to put any restriction.
Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Feb 10, 2017 17:08, "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
I add my support for Fatima to replace Leon as elector for the Board member election.
Notwithstanding my support here, the rule that makes the RALO the determining voice for the vote of a NomCom appointed ALAC member is hopelessly flawed.
Maybe it was unintentional but this impugns the independence of the member. The unfettered independence of the NomCom appointed ALAC member is a major objective of that process and is meant to insulate that person from regional passions. That independence is especially valuable when that is an elector for the Board member. should not be conscripted.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== *Carlton A Samuels*
*Mobile: 876-818-1799 <(876)%20818-1799>Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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