Hi Everyone I had a brief conversation with Paul Wilson, Chair of the NRO (and Director Generao of ApNIC) and the APNIC External Relations Program Director - who was keen to follow up on the meeting with RIRs - and something more concrete in the way of a relationship between APNIC and APRALO. So while I will follow up with him, I'd like examples of other RIR/RALO relationships - particularly the LACRALO MoU - what does it provide? AAny and all information is welcome so that I can provide the sort of examples that will put the APNIC/APRALO relationship on a better footing Holly
Yes this would be welcome here at EURALO as well, because we will also follow up with our RIR soon. Best Sandra (Note: This message was send from my iPhone - I do apologise for any misspelling.) Am 22.07.2013 um 03:40 schrieb Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net>:
Hi Everyone
I had a brief conversation with Paul Wilson, Chair of the NRO (and Director Generao of ApNIC) and the APNIC External Relations Program Director - who was keen to follow up on the meeting with RIRs - and something more concrete in the way of a relationship between APNIC and APRALO.
So while I will follow up with him, I'd like examples of other RIR/RALO relationships - particularly the LACRALO MoU - what does it provide? AAny and all information is welcome so that I can provide the sort of examples that will put the APNIC/APRALO relationship on a better footing
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Hi Holly, Happy to draft an MoU for APRALO and APNIC. Sala Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Everyone
I had a brief conversation with Paul Wilson, Chair of the NRO (and Director Generao of ApNIC) and the APNIC External Relations Program Director - who was keen to follow up on the meeting with RIRs - and something more concrete in the way of a relationship between APNIC and APRALO.
So while I will follow up with him, I'd like examples of other RIR/RALO relationships - particularly the LACRALO MoU - what does it provide? AAny and all information is welcome so that I can provide the sort of examples that will put the APNIC/APRALO relationship on a better footing
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Hi Sala I appreciate the offer, but my question was about the contents of LACRALO's MoU. Once I (and Sandra) have an idea of what was in the agreement, we can go to our respective RIRs and have a chat (and then a chat with our constituents). THEN something can be written - and I imagine ICANN staff can help there. Holly On 23/07/2013, at 1:27 PM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Hi Holly,
Happy to draft an MoU for APRALO and APNIC.
Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Everyone
I had a brief conversation with Paul Wilson, Chair of the NRO (and Director Generao of ApNIC) and the APNIC External Relations Program Director - who was keen to follow up on the meeting with RIRs - and something more concrete in the way of a relationship between APNIC and APRALO.
So while I will follow up with him, I'd like examples of other RIR/RALO relationships - particularly the LACRALO MoU - what does it provide? AAny and all information is welcome so that I can provide the sort of examples that will put the APNIC/APRALO relationship on a better footing
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Hi Holly, Just want to clarify that LACRALO does not have a MoU with the RIR (yet). We do many think togethers but not with that framework. After Durban meeting I personaly talk with Galsser Harmut and Andres Piazza of LACNIC and now we have to draft a MoU and send it to them. I heard that AFRALO has already a MoU , but I am not sure. I will ask. Would be great if we have all the same MoU, but I also now that regions maybe want different things. What can I provide you is our experience with the RIR. We are very close. Just let me now if you want it. Kind Regards Jose Arce El jul 23, 2013 7:56 AM, "Holly Raiche" <h.raiche@internode.on.net> escribió:
Hi Sala
I appreciate the offer, but my question was about the contents of LACRALO's MoU. Once I (and Sandra) have an idea of what was in the agreement, we can go to our respective RIRs and have a chat (and then a chat with our constituents). THEN something can be written - and I imagine ICANN staff can help there.
Holly On 23/07/2013, at 1:27 PM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Hi Holly,
Happy to draft an MoU for APRALO and APNIC.
Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Everyone
I had a brief conversation with Paul Wilson, Chair of the NRO (and Director Generao of ApNIC) and the APNIC External Relations Program Director - who was keen to follow up on the meeting with RIRs - and something more concrete in the way of a relationship between APNIC and APRALO.
So while I will follow up with him, I'd like examples of other RIR/RALO relationships - particularly the LACRALO MoU - what does it provide? AAny and all information is welcome so that I can provide the sort of examples that will put the APNIC/APRALO relationship on a better footing
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Thank you for the quick feedback Jose. Given that MoUs are non- binding and not enforceable and are merely there to help guide cooperation, my suspicion is that there are certain aspects that will stay relatively the same whilst others will differ as each RIR is independent and separate legal entity and own internal governance. I would assume that as Europe discusses with RIPENCC and likewise NARALO with ARIN and so forth, that the details would be subject to what is generally agreed too. My suggestion is to keep the provisions fairly generic and broad as details can change from time to time. Happy to initiate a draft MoU, the offer is on the table for all the RALOs, at least a first Draft and people can comment on the draft etc and have it revised. Unless, ICANN Legal does this for the RALOs? Kind Regards, Sala Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2013, at 12:41 AM, José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Holly,
Just want to clarify that LACRALO does not have a MoU with the RIR (yet). We do many think togethers but not with that framework. After Durban meeting I personaly talk with Galsser Harmut and Andres Piazza of LACNIC and now we have to draft a MoU and send it to them. I heard that AFRALO has already a MoU , but I am not sure. I will ask. Would be great if we have all the same MoU, but I also now that regions maybe want different things.
What can I provide you is our experience with the RIR. We are very close. Just let me now if you want it.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce El jul 23, 2013 7:56 AM, "Holly Raiche" <h.raiche@internode.on.net> escribió:
Hi Sala
I appreciate the offer, but my question was about the contents of LACRALO's MoU. Once I (and Sandra) have an idea of what was in the agreement, we can go to our respective RIRs and have a chat (and then a chat with our constituents). THEN something can be written - and I imagine ICANN staff can help there.
Holly On 23/07/2013, at 1:27 PM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Hi Holly,
Happy to draft an MoU for APRALO and APNIC.
Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Everyone
I had a brief conversation with Paul Wilson, Chair of the NRO (and Director Generao of ApNIC) and the APNIC External Relations Program Director - who was keen to follow up on the meeting with RIRs - and something more concrete in the way of a relationship between APNIC and APRALO.
So while I will follow up with him, I'd like examples of other RIR/RALO relationships - particularly the LACRALO MoU - what does it provide? AAny and all information is welcome so that I can provide the sort of examples that will put the APNIC/APRALO relationship on a better footing
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Dear all, Just to let you know - next ENOG (RIPE NCC Regional Meeting Russia/Eurasia Network Operators' Group) will be held in Kiev, 1-2 October ( http://www.enog.org/meetings/enog-6/) Next day - 3 October - we will have IV IGF-UA (igf-ua.org). It's great opportunity to build out cooperation with RIRs and to discuss joint projects in the European region. Best regards, Oksana On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for the quick feedback Jose. Given that MoUs are non- binding and not enforceable and are merely there to help guide cooperation, my suspicion is that there are certain aspects that will stay relatively the same whilst others will differ as each RIR is independent and separate legal entity and own internal governance.
I would assume that as Europe discusses with RIPENCC and likewise NARALO with ARIN and so forth, that the details would be subject to what is generally agreed too. My suggestion is to keep the provisions fairly generic and broad as details can change from time to time.
Happy to initiate a draft MoU, the offer is on the table for all the RALOs, at least a first Draft and people can comment on the draft etc and have it revised. Unless, ICANN Legal does this for the RALOs?
Kind Regards, Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 24, 2013, at 12:41 AM, José Francisco Arce < josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Holly,
Just want to clarify that LACRALO does not have a MoU with the RIR (yet). We do many think togethers but not with that framework. After Durban meeting I personaly talk with Galsser Harmut and Andres Piazza of LACNIC and now we have to draft a MoU and send it to them. I heard that AFRALO has already a MoU , but I am not sure. I will ask. Would be great if we have all the same MoU, but I also now that regions maybe want different things.
What can I provide you is our experience with the RIR. We are very close. Just let me now if you want it.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce El jul 23, 2013 7:56 AM, "Holly Raiche" <h.raiche@internode.on.net> escribió:
Hi Sala
I appreciate the offer, but my question was about the contents of LACRALO's MoU. Once I (and Sandra) have an idea of what was in the agreement, we can go to our respective RIRs and have a chat (and then a chat with our constituents). THEN something can be written - and I imagine ICANN staff can help there.
Holly On 23/07/2013, at 1:27 PM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Hi Holly,
Happy to draft an MoU for APRALO and APNIC.
Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Everyone
I had a brief conversation with Paul Wilson, Chair of the NRO (and Director Generao of ApNIC) and the APNIC External Relations Program Director - who was keen to follow up on the meeting with RIRs - and something more concrete in the way of a relationship between APNIC and APRALO.
So while I will follow up with him, I'd like examples of other RIR/RALO relationships - particularly the LACRALO MoU - what does it provide? AAny and all information is welcome so that I can provide the sort of examples that will put the APNIC/APRALO relationship on a better footing
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Hello All, This is the MOU signed between AFRINIC and AFRALO. As stated by Sala, it is a framework that will allow our 2 organizations to undertake specific acitivities for the community. I hope this can help. Best, Fatimata 2013/7/23 Oksana Prykhodko <sana.pryhod@gmail.com>
Dear all,
Just to let you know - next ENOG (RIPE NCC Regional Meeting Russia/Eurasia Network Operators' Group) will be held in Kiev, 1-2 October ( http://www.enog.org/meetings/enog-6/)
Next day - 3 October - we will have IV IGF-UA (igf-ua.org). It's great opportunity to build out cooperation with RIRs and to discuss joint projects in the European region.
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for the quick feedback Jose. Given that MoUs are non- binding and not enforceable and are merely there to help guide cooperation, my suspicion is that there are certain aspects that will stay relatively the same whilst others will differ as each RIR is independent and separate legal entity and own internal governance.
I would assume that as Europe discusses with RIPENCC and likewise NARALO with ARIN and so forth, that the details would be subject to what is generally agreed too. My suggestion is to keep the provisions fairly generic and broad as details can change from time to time.
Happy to initiate a draft MoU, the offer is on the table for all the RALOs, at least a first Draft and people can comment on the draft etc and have it revised. Unless, ICANN Legal does this for the RALOs?
Kind Regards, Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 24, 2013, at 12:41 AM, José Francisco Arce < josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Holly,
Just want to clarify that LACRALO does not have a MoU with the RIR (yet). We do many think togethers but not with that framework. After Durban meeting I personaly talk with Galsser Harmut and Andres Piazza of LACNIC and now we have to draft a MoU and send it to them. I heard that AFRALO has already a MoU , but I am not sure. I will ask. Would be great if we have all the same MoU, but I also now that regions maybe want different things.
What can I provide you is our experience with the RIR. We are very close. Just let me now if you want it.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce El jul 23, 2013 7:56 AM, "Holly Raiche" <h.raiche@internode.on.net> escribió:
Hi Sala
I appreciate the offer, but my question was about the contents of LACRALO's MoU. Once I (and Sandra) have an idea of what was in the agreement, we can go to our respective RIRs and have a chat (and then a chat with our constituents). THEN something can be written - and I imagine ICANN staff can help there.
Holly On 23/07/2013, at 1:27 PM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Hi Holly,
Happy to draft an MoU for APRALO and APNIC.
Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net
wrote:
Hi Everyone
I had a brief conversation with Paul Wilson, Chair of the NRO (and
Director Generao of ApNIC) and the APNIC External Relations Program Director - who was keen to follow up on the meeting with RIRs - and something more concrete in the way of a relationship between APNIC and APRALO.
So while I will follow up with him, I'd like examples of other
RIR/RALO relationships - particularly the LACRALO MoU - what does it provide? AAny and all information is welcome so that I can provide the sort of examples that will put the APNIC/APRALO relationship on a better footing
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Dear Fatimata, Thanks for sharing this. This is certainly what Holly was looking for and am sure she will be pleased to see a RALO template....:) Many thanks, Sala Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2013, at 4:42 AM, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,
This is the MOU signed between AFRINIC and AFRALO. As stated by Sala, it is a framework that will allow our 2 organizations to undertake specific acitivities for the community.
I hope this can help.
Best, Fatimata
2013/7/23 Oksana Prykhodko <sana.pryhod@gmail.com>
Dear all,
Just to let you know - next ENOG (RIPE NCC Regional Meeting Russia/Eurasia Network Operators' Group) will be held in Kiev, 1-2 October ( http://www.enog.org/meetings/enog-6/)
Next day - 3 October - we will have IV IGF-UA (igf-ua.org). It's great opportunity to build out cooperation with RIRs and to discuss joint projects in the European region.
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for the quick feedback Jose. Given that MoUs are non- binding and not enforceable and are merely there to help guide cooperation, my suspicion is that there are certain aspects that will stay relatively the same whilst others will differ as each RIR is independent and separate legal entity and own internal governance.
I would assume that as Europe discusses with RIPENCC and likewise NARALO with ARIN and so forth, that the details would be subject to what is generally agreed too. My suggestion is to keep the provisions fairly generic and broad as details can change from time to time.
Happy to initiate a draft MoU, the offer is on the table for all the RALOs, at least a first Draft and people can comment on the draft etc and have it revised. Unless, ICANN Legal does this for the RALOs?
Kind Regards, Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 24, 2013, at 12:41 AM, José Francisco Arce < josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Holly,
Just want to clarify that LACRALO does not have a MoU with the RIR (yet). We do many think togethers but not with that framework. After Durban meeting I personaly talk with Galsser Harmut and Andres Piazza of LACNIC and now we have to draft a MoU and send it to them. I heard that AFRALO has already a MoU , but I am not sure. I will ask. Would be great if we have all the same MoU, but I also now that regions maybe want different things.
What can I provide you is our experience with the RIR. We are very close. Just let me now if you want it.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce El jul 23, 2013 7:56 AM, "Holly Raiche" <h.raiche@internode.on.net> escribió:
Hi Sala
I appreciate the offer, but my question was about the contents of LACRALO's MoU. Once I (and Sandra) have an idea of what was in the agreement, we can go to our respective RIRs and have a chat (and then a chat with our constituents). THEN something can be written - and I imagine ICANN staff can help there.
Holly On 23/07/2013, at 1:27 PM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Hi Holly,
Happy to draft an MoU for APRALO and APNIC.
Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
> Hi Everyone > > I had a brief conversation with Paul Wilson, Chair of the NRO (and Director Generao of ApNIC) and the APNIC External Relations Program Director - who was keen to follow up on the meeting with RIRs - and something more concrete in the way of a relationship between APNIC and APRALO. > > So while I will follow up with him, I'd like examples of other RIR/RALO relationships - particularly the LACRALO MoU - what does it provide? AAny and all information is welcome so that I can provide the sort of examples that will put the APNIC/APRALO relationship on a better footing > > Holly > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki:
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What is it exactly that APRALO intends to achieve through an MoU with RIRs? Best Fouad On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Fatimata
This is exactly what I was looking for - thank you
I"ll start discussions with APNIC, and get back to all of you
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Given that ICANN's mandate is in names and numbers although often the numbers aspects is often forgotten as the policy discussions for these happens within each RIR's own space such as for APRALO, it occurs at the cyclical APNIC meetings where it culminates in the APRICOT meetings. RIRs allocate blocks of IP addresses to various ISPs within its region and the model differs for countries in how numbers are assigned, that is whether directly through ISPs with ASNs or through National Number Registries that further distribute these addresses. Usually, it is only the network operators or ISPs or those with ASN who participate. The meetings are open to anyone, remote streaming is readily available etc. At Large has not made formal policy statements impacting numbers specifically except for generic political statements regarding the IANA contract, I could be wrong and ready to be corrected. For At Large to properly carry out its core functions, it needs to also be equally active in this space. The Asia Pacific was the first to exhaust its IPv4 addresses and it is great that there is a joint push from APNIC and local stakeholders to move towards transitioning to IPv6 through dual stack deployment etc or whatever mode they feel is best for their networks. Carrier grade Network Address Translators are in my view are a poor excuse for lack of preparation for transition. Some stakeholders argue that NATs are convenient perhaps because of advantages of proxy servers, savings etc. As far as law enforcement is concerned, it is the IP address when linked to persons during an investigation that creates the context for investigations in the cyber realm. There is a lot that needs to happen to protect end users and there are many issues for At Large to take up. Our strategic and coordinated involvement as a RALO will ensure that we speak up on these issues. RIRs are also extremely active in each region through the Network Operator group meetings, ICT Groups etc. Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
What is it exactly that APRALO intends to achieve through an MoU with RIRs?
Best
Fouad
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Fatimata
This is exactly what I was looking for - thank you
I"ll start discussions with APNIC, and get back to all of you
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Hi Fouad (and everyone) If you look at the MoU that Fatimata sent around, you would see that their RIR is very supporting in terms of funding and training. I am not sure that is the appropriate model for APNIC, but APNIC does a lot of training (some of it free on line) and holds conferences, as well as its more detailed and technical responsibilities in the IP address space (particularly the IPv4 to IPv6 issues). So if they can help in training, in funding specific activities, APRALO will benefit. It is certainly worth exploring. And any ideas you have are welcome. Holly On 24/07/2013, at 7:47 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote:
What is it exactly that APRALO intends to achieve through an MoU with RIRs?
Best
Fouad
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Fatimata
This is exactly what I was looking for - thank you
I"ll start discussions with APNIC, and get back to all of you
Holly On 24/07/2013, at 2:42 AM, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
<MOU AFRINIC AFRALO 2 June 2013.pdf>
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Hi Everyone First, just a final confirmation of the various elections we have had: My new Vice chair is Siranush Vardanyan, Satish Babu is our NNomCom representative. And our new representative on ALAC is Maureen Hillyard. Congratulations again to all - and a reminder to everyone - that we need all of your support. On APRALO membership: Two ALSs have been officially decertified: Internet Users Network - Tokyo (at their request) Internet Society of Pakistan (which had ceased to exist and has been replaced) We have had three applications for membership - which are in the process of being reviewed and will be voted on including - the Australian Communications Consumer Action Network - South Pacific Computer Society - Internet Society - Nepal Chapter For those who were not able to attend the APRALO meeting last Wednesday, it began with Kuek Yu-Chuang, the newly appointed Vice President for Global Stakeholder Engagement for the Asian Region. He assumes office on 1 August - when he will be based in Singapore. Others in the Singapore office will include staff for compliance and registrars/registries. (He would like to be involved in all of our meetings) He talked a bit on his background (he is a Senior Director with Yahoo) and then on what he sees as a fundamental tension in his job. On the one hand, it is his job to listen to and understand the needs on the ground of his various constituents but that must fit into ICANN plans and commitments that have already been decided and are in train. The cornerstone of his job will be an APEC strategy which will be launched at the regional IGF in Korea. Rinalia talked on the planned IGF workshop - an APRALO-ICANN collaboration on IDNs and IDN variants, looking at the many issues involved, including security and stability, and language scripts. Cheryl also provided an update on the regional IGF in Korea. From now on, we will be devoting at least 5 minutes or more to one or our ALSs giving us all a presentation on that ALS - a bit about its members and its activities. Satish will be the presenter for the August meeting. We went through the the outcomes from the survey Pavan did after Beijing. The main conclusions included the overuse of ICANN terminology (explain the acronyms if you use them), how the ICANN schedule can be overwhelming - so each meeting needs a bit of explanation, more ALS participation, the praise for the Fellowship program and its orientation to ICANN. In the issues sessions, the main issues were covered and have largely been dealt with. The one big outstanding issue is a proposal from an Expert Working Group (which Carlton was on) that is proposing a new structure for the collection, handling, verification and dissemination of registrant data. Comment is due mid-August I"ll get back to you on that one (if you are really interested, go to the ICANN website and type in Expert Working Group in the search area) And some action items on all of you (including staff) - please be sure all of you are signed up to the APRALO and other mailing lists - staff can help - go to the ICANN webpage - through to the list of APRALO ALSs- - and check that the entry for your ALS is correct - and let staff know so we can correct anything that needs correcting - let me - and everyone else - know what issues we as APRALO should be focussing on - - put your hand up for talking about your ALS to an APRALO meeting Staff - please send out a soft copy of the guide to ALAC - which has some nice background on issues we have been involved in And we will begin a dialogue with APNIC - based on the relationship that other RALOs are developing with their RIRs - so any and all suggestions welcome there Thanks Holly
Excellent update, Holly. The region is in excellent hands. I see great things ahead in terms of policy input, intra and inter-regional collaboration, performance and outcomes that benefit our region and others. Best regards, Rinalia On Jul 24, 2013 10:13 AM, "Holly Raiche" <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Everyone
First, just a final confirmation of the various elections we have had: My new Vice chair is Siranush Vardanyan, Satish Babu is our NNomCom representative. And our new representative on ALAC is Maureen Hillyard. Congratulations again to all - and a reminder to everyone - that we need all of your support.
On APRALO membership: Two ALSs have been officially decertified: Internet Users Network - Tokyo (at their request) Internet Society of Pakistan (which had ceased to exist and has been replaced)
We have had three applications for membership - which are in the process of being reviewed and will be voted on including - the Australian Communications Consumer Action Network - South Pacific Computer Society - Internet Society - Nepal Chapter
For those who were not able to attend the APRALO meeting last Wednesday, it began with Kuek Yu-Chuang, the newly appointed Vice President for Global Stakeholder Engagement for the Asian Region. He assumes office on 1 August - when he will be based in Singapore. Others in the Singapore office will include staff for compliance and registrars/registries. (He would like to be involved in all of our meetings)
He talked a bit on his background (he is a Senior Director with Yahoo) and then on what he sees as a fundamental tension in his job. On the one hand, it is his job to listen to and understand the needs on the ground of his various constituents but that must fit into ICANN plans and commitments that have already been decided and are in train. The cornerstone of his job will be an APEC strategy which will be launched at the regional IGF in Korea.
Rinalia talked on the planned IGF workshop - an APRALO-ICANN collaboration on IDNs and IDN variants, looking at the many issues involved, including security and stability, and language scripts. Cheryl also provided an update on the regional IGF in Korea.
From now on, we will be devoting at least 5 minutes or more to one or our ALSs giving us all a presentation on that ALS - a bit about its members and its activities. Satish will be the presenter for the August meeting.
We went through the the outcomes from the survey Pavan did after Beijing. The main conclusions included the overuse of ICANN terminology (explain the acronyms if you use them), how the ICANN schedule can be overwhelming - so each meeting needs a bit of explanation, more ALS participation, the praise for the Fellowship program and its orientation to ICANN.
In the issues sessions, the main issues were covered and have largely been dealt with. The one big outstanding issue is a proposal from an Expert Working Group (which Carlton was on) that is proposing a new structure for the collection, handling, verification and dissemination of registrant data. Comment is due mid-August I"ll get back to you on that one (if you are really interested, go to the ICANN website and type in Expert Working Group in the search area)
And some action items on all of you (including staff) - please be sure all of you are signed up to the APRALO and other mailing lists - staff can help - go to the ICANN webpage - through to the list of APRALO ALSs- - and check that the entry for your ALS is correct - and let staff know so we can correct anything that needs correcting - let me - and everyone else - know what issues we as APRALO should be focussing on - - put your hand up for talking about your ALS to an APRALO meeting Staff - please send out a soft copy of the guide to ALAC - which has some nice background on issues we have been involved in
And we will begin a dialogue with APNIC - based on the relationship that other RALOs are developing with their RIRs - so any and all suggestions welcome there
Thanks
Holly
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+ 1 Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim <rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Excellent update, Holly. The region is in excellent hands. I see great things ahead in terms of policy input, intra and inter-regional collaboration, performance and outcomes that benefit our region and others.
Best regards,
Rinalia On Jul 24, 2013 10:13 AM, "Holly Raiche" <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Everyone
First, just a final confirmation of the various elections we have had: My new Vice chair is Siranush Vardanyan, Satish Babu is our NNomCom representative. And our new representative on ALAC is Maureen Hillyard. Congratulations again to all - and a reminder to everyone - that we need all of your support.
On APRALO membership: Two ALSs have been officially decertified: Internet Users Network - Tokyo (at their request) Internet Society of Pakistan (which had ceased to exist and has been replaced)
We have had three applications for membership - which are in the process of being reviewed and will be voted on including - the Australian Communications Consumer Action Network - South Pacific Computer Society - Internet Society - Nepal Chapter
For those who were not able to attend the APRALO meeting last Wednesday, it began with Kuek Yu-Chuang, the newly appointed Vice President for Global Stakeholder Engagement for the Asian Region. He assumes office on 1 August - when he will be based in Singapore. Others in the Singapore office will include staff for compliance and registrars/registries. (He would like to be involved in all of our meetings)
He talked a bit on his background (he is a Senior Director with Yahoo) and then on what he sees as a fundamental tension in his job. On the one hand, it is his job to listen to and understand the needs on the ground of his various constituents but that must fit into ICANN plans and commitments that have already been decided and are in train. The cornerstone of his job will be an APEC strategy which will be launched at the regional IGF in Korea.
Rinalia talked on the planned IGF workshop - an APRALO-ICANN collaboration on IDNs and IDN variants, looking at the many issues involved, including security and stability, and language scripts. Cheryl also provided an update on the regional IGF in Korea.
From now on, we will be devoting at least 5 minutes or more to one or our ALSs giving us all a presentation on that ALS - a bit about its members and its activities. Satish will be the presenter for the August meeting.
We went through the the outcomes from the survey Pavan did after Beijing. The main conclusions included the overuse of ICANN terminology (explain the acronyms if you use them), how the ICANN schedule can be overwhelming - so each meeting needs a bit of explanation, more ALS participation, the praise for the Fellowship program and its orientation to ICANN.
In the issues sessions, the main issues were covered and have largely been dealt with. The one big outstanding issue is a proposal from an Expert Working Group (which Carlton was on) that is proposing a new structure for the collection, handling, verification and dissemination of registrant data. Comment is due mid-August I"ll get back to you on that one (if you are really interested, go to the ICANN website and type in Expert Working Group in the search area)
And some action items on all of you (including staff) - please be sure all of you are signed up to the APRALO and other mailing lists - staff can help - go to the ICANN webpage - through to the list of APRALO ALSs- - and check that the entry for your ALS is correct - and let staff know so we can correct anything that needs correcting - let me - and everyone else - know what issues we as APRALO should be focussing on - - put your hand up for talking about your ALS to an APRALO meeting Staff - please send out a soft copy of the guide to ALAC - which has some nice background on issues we have been involved in
And we will begin a dialogue with APNIC - based on the relationship that other RALOs are developing with their RIRs - so any and all suggestions welcome there
Thanks
Holly
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To see an example of APNIC's MoU with a regional Organisation in the Pacific, see: http://www.apnic.net/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/33301/spc-mou.pdf I had witnessed the signing of this MoU in Noumea, New Caledonia a few years ago. Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2013, at 12:41 AM, José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Holly,
Just want to clarify that LACRALO does not have a MoU with the RIR (yet). We do many think togethers but not with that framework. After Durban meeting I personaly talk with Galsser Harmut and Andres Piazza of LACNIC and now we have to draft a MoU and send it to them. I heard that AFRALO has already a MoU , but I am not sure. I will ask. Would be great if we have all the same MoU, but I also now that regions maybe want different things.
What can I provide you is our experience with the RIR. We are very close. Just let me now if you want it.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce El jul 23, 2013 7:56 AM, "Holly Raiche" <h.raiche@internode.on.net> escribió:
Hi Sala
I appreciate the offer, but my question was about the contents of LACRALO's MoU. Once I (and Sandra) have an idea of what was in the agreement, we can go to our respective RIRs and have a chat (and then a chat with our constituents). THEN something can be written - and I imagine ICANN staff can help there.
Holly On 23/07/2013, at 1:27 PM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Hi Holly,
Happy to draft an MoU for APRALO and APNIC.
Sala
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On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Everyone
I had a brief conversation with Paul Wilson, Chair of the NRO (and Director Generao of ApNIC) and the APNIC External Relations Program Director - who was keen to follow up on the meeting with RIRs - and something more concrete in the way of a relationship between APNIC and APRALO.
So while I will follow up with him, I'd like examples of other RIR/RALO relationships - particularly the LACRALO MoU - what does it provide? AAny and all information is welcome so that I can provide the sort of examples that will put the APNIC/APRALO relationship on a better footing
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Hi Jose Yes, I would be very interested in your experience with the RIRs. And if AFRALO does have an MoU I would be interested as well. I imagine all of our regions will have different needs and expectations, but if we all know about other relationships, it will help in shaping our relationship (at present, we must be way behind others since, although I personally know Paul Wilson, Head of the NRO, we -as APRALO - don't have an active relationship with APNIC So thank you for your response and any information on your relationwith with LACNIC Holly On 23/07/2013, at 10:41 PM, José Francisco Arce wrote:
Hi Holly,
Just want to clarify that LACRALO does not have a MoU with the RIR (yet). We do many think togethers but not with that framework. After Durban meeting I personaly talk with Galsser Harmut and Andres Piazza of LACNIC and now we have to draft a MoU and send it to them. I heard that AFRALO has already a MoU , but I am not sure. I will ask. Would be great if we have all the same MoU, but I also now that regions maybe want different things.
What can I provide you is our experience with the RIR. We are very close. Just let me now if you want it.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce
El jul 23, 2013 7:56 AM, "Holly Raiche" <h.raiche@internode.on.net> escribió: Hi Sala
I appreciate the offer, but my question was about the contents of LACRALO's MoU. Once I (and Sandra) have an idea of what was in the agreement, we can go to our respective RIRs and have a chat (and then a chat with our constituents). THEN something can be written - and I imagine ICANN staff can help there.
Holly On 23/07/2013, at 1:27 PM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Hi Holly,
Happy to draft an MoU for APRALO and APNIC.
Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hi Everyone
I had a brief conversation with Paul Wilson, Chair of the NRO (and Director Generao of ApNIC) and the APNIC External Relations Program Director - who was keen to follow up on the meeting with RIRs - and something more concrete in the way of a relationship between APNIC and APRALO.
So while I will follow up with him, I'd like examples of other RIR/RALO relationships - particularly the LACRALO MoU - what does it provide? AAny and all information is welcome so that I can provide the sort of examples that will put the APNIC/APRALO relationship on a better footing
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participants (8)
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Fatimata Seye Sylla -
Fouad Bajwa -
Holly Raiche -
José Francisco Arce -
Oksana Prykhodko -
Rinalia Abdul Rahim -
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro -
sandra hoferichter