As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC. The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith. In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements. Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues. a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki. b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process. c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled. d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish. After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following: 1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year. 2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki. I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals. Alan
2. ALT will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki. Skills are useful but diversity is essential. Sébastien Bachollet +33 6 07 66 89 33 Blog: http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/ Mail: Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com> Le 12/06/2016 18:44, « Alan Greenberg » <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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My position is allow ALAC as a whole to vote and decide Vanda Scartezini Sent from my iPhone Sorry for typos
On 13 de jun de 2016, at 05:01, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com> wrote:
2. ALT will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
Skills are useful but diversity is essential.
Sébastien Bachollet +33 6 07 66 89 33 Blog: http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/ Mail: Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com>
Le 12/06/2016 18:44, « Alan Greenberg » <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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Timing of this is rather tight as the decision would have to be made prior to the start of the meeting. But it is possible if we can agree that this is the path to be followed very quickly. It means we will have to have two consecutive consensus calls or votes prior to people leaving for Helsinki. Others comments please! Alan At 13/06/2016 04:00 AM, Sébastien Bachollet wrote:
2. ALT will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
Skills are useful but diversity is essential.
Sébastien Bachollet +33 6 07 66 89 33 Blog: http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/ Mail: Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com>
Le 12/06/2016 18:44, « Alan Greenberg » <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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Alan and all, The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I’m reiterating here is the following: Create a selection committee composed of one member from each region selected by the RALO Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs one non voting chair selected by ALAC The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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As a past member of the ALAC, I wish to express strong support for Tijani's observations and suggestions. In addition, the following aspects deserve special attention: - The Selection committee would have 2 tasks, - first, draft its charter, - second, to receive, examine and assess candidacies. - In addition to the composition proposed by Tijani, this committee should have the possibility to include (a small number of) non-members who have a broad experience in the considered fields. - If the time frame does not permit the appointment of a full committee in time for Helsinki, an interim solution should be envisaged (an interim committee with an interim Chair + a core membership). - The committee should submit its recommendation(s) to the full ALAC, without intermediaries. Best regards, Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Tijani BEN JEMAA" <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> À: "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Cc: "ALAC" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 13 Juin 2016 18:43:04 Objet: Re: [ALAC] URGENT: GAC Liaison Alan and all, The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I’m reiterating here is the following: * Create a selection committee composed of * one member from each region selected by the RALO * Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs * one non voting chair selected by ALAC * The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair * Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods * Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. * All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee * All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC * The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations ( FMAI ) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg < alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca > a écrit : As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC. The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith. In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements. Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues. a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki. b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process. c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled. d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish. After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following: 1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year. 2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki. I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals. 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Good ideas Jean Jacques1 Best, Vanda On 6/13/16, 2:14 PM, "alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
As a past member of the ALAC, I wish to express strong support for Tijani's observations and suggestions.
In addition, the following aspects deserve special attention:
- The Selection committee would have 2 tasks, - first, draft its charter, - second, to receive, examine and assess candidacies.
- In addition to the composition proposed by Tijani, this committee should have the possibility to include (a small number of) non-members who have a broad experience in the considered fields.
- If the time frame does not permit the appointment of a full committee in time for Helsinki, an interim solution should be envisaged (an interim committee with an interim Chair + a core membership).
- The committee should submit its recommendation(s) to the full ALAC, without intermediaries.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Tijani BEN JEMAA" <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> À: "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Cc: "ALAC" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 13 Juin 2016 18:43:04 Objet: Re: [ALAC] URGENT: GAC Liaison
Alan and all,
The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I’m reiterating here is the following:
* Create a selection committee composed of
* one member from each region selected by the RALO * Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs * one non voting chair selected by ALAC * The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair * Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods * Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. * All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee * All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC * The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations ( FMAI ) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg < alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca > a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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+1 ___________________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein Leite sylvia@internautabrasil.org LACRALO-ALAC Delegate to NomComm 2014-2016 One World, One Internet ex - Secretaria LACRALO-ICANN/ 2012-2014 – ex – ALAC Member 2009-2011 - http://atlarge.icann.org Skype: sylvia_leite -----Mensagem original----- De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Vanda Scartezini Enviada em: lunes, 13 de junio de 2016 17:04 Para: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques; Tijani BEN JEMAA Cc: ALAC; Alan Greenberg Assunto: Re: [ALAC] URGENT: GAC Liaison Good ideas Jean Jacques1 Best, Vanda On 6/13/16, 2:14 PM, "alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
As a past member of the ALAC, I wish to express strong support for Tijani's observations and suggestions.
In addition, the following aspects deserve special attention:
- The Selection committee would have 2 tasks, - first, draft its charter, - second, to receive, examine and assess candidacies.
- In addition to the composition proposed by Tijani, this committee should have the possibility to include (a small number of) non-members who have a broad experience in the considered fields.
- If the time frame does not permit the appointment of a full committee in time for Helsinki, an interim solution should be envisaged (an interim committee with an interim Chair + a core membership).
- The committee should submit its recommendation(s) to the full ALAC, without intermediaries.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Tijani BEN JEMAA" <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> À: "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Cc: "ALAC" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 13 Juin 2016 18:43:04 Objet: Re: [ALAC] URGENT: GAC Liaison
Alan and all,
The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I’m reiterating here is the following:
* Create a selection committee composed of
* one member from each region selected by the RALO * Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs * one non voting chair selected by ALAC * The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair * Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods * Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. * All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee * All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC * The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations ( FMAI ) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------
Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg < alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca > a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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You are saying that we should leave the GAC Liaison position open for Helsinki (since there certainly is no time to do this before), and probably the CSC Liaisons as well (with a deadline in July). I think that unwise. Other ALAC members please comment. Alan At 13/06/2016 12:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
Alan and all,
The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that Iâm reiterating here is the following: * Create a selection committee composed of * one member from each region selected by the RALO * Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs * one non voting chair selected by ALAC * The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair * Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods * Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. * All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee * All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC * The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg <<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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I think I have now said this three times. I do not agree with Tijani and I believe that we should fill the vacancy temporarily NOW. Holly On 14 Jun 2016, at 7:00 am, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
You are saying that we should leave the GAC Liaison position open for Helsinki (since there certainly is no time to do this before), and probably the CSC Liaisons as well (with a deadline in July).
I think that unwise.
Other ALAC members please comment.
Alan
At 13/06/2016 12:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
Alan and all,
The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I’m reiterating here is the following: Create a selection committee composed of one member from each region selected by the RALO Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs one non voting chair selected by ALAC The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca > a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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Dear all, While I like the proposed way forward by Tijani, I think it is of the essence that we fill the Liaisons seats temporarily ASAP (that means before Helsinki). Therefore, I support option 2 which I transcribe for avoidance of doubt: 2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki. Best regards, León
El 13/06/2016, a las 4:00 p.m., Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> escribió:
You are saying that we should leave the GAC Liaison position open for Helsinki (since there certainly is no time to do this before), and probably the CSC Liaisons as well (with a deadline in July).
I think that unwise.
Other ALAC members please comment.
Alan
At 13/06/2016 12:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
Alan and all,
The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that Iâm reiterating here is the following: Create a selection committee composed of one member from each region selected by the RALO Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs one non voting chair selected by ALAC The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> > a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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I agree León. Kind regards Alberto Soto De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de León Felipe Sánchez Ambía Enviado el: martes, 14 de junio de 2016 12:37 a.m. Para: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> CC: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: Re: [ALAC] URGENT: GAC Liaison Dear all, While I like the proposed way forward by Tijani, I think it is of the essence that we fill the Liaisons seats temporarily ASAP (that means before Helsinki). Therefore, I support option 2 which I transcribe for avoidance of doubt: 2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki. Best regards, León El 13/06/2016, a las 4:00 p.m., Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> > escribió: You are saying that we should leave the GAC Liaison position open for Helsinki (since there certainly is no time to do this before), and probably the CSC Liaisons as well (with a deadline in July). I think that unwise. Other ALAC members please comment. Alan At 13/06/2016 12:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote: Alan and all, The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I’m reiterating here is the following: * Create a selection committee composed of * one member from each region selected by the RALO * Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs * one non voting chair selected by ALAC * The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair * Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods * Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. * All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee * All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC * The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> > a écrit : As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC. The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith. In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements. Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues. a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki. b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process. c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled. d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish. After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following: 1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year. 2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki. I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals. 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The two issues are interrelated: 1. Setting up a nomination committee 2. deciding about the GAC liaison as an interim position now - or later about a permanent seat. The first should (can not) not be done in a rush but is needed for any permanent ALAC position including the GAC liaison. For the second point: it is wise not to lose the momentum and go for a interim appointment even without a nomination committee. In this respect I agree with Sebastiens proposal: "ALT will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki." Best Sandra (Note: This message was sent from my iPhone - I do apologise for any misspelling.)
Am 14.06.2016 um 05:37 schrieb León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>:
Dear all,
While I like the proposed way forward by Tijani, I think it is of the essence that we fill the Liaisons seats temporarily ASAP (that means before Helsinki).
Therefore, I support option 2 which I transcribe for avoidance of doubt:
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
Best regards,
León
El 13/06/2016, a las 4:00 p.m., Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> escribió:
You are saying that we should leave the GAC Liaison position open for Helsinki (since there certainly is no time to do this before), and probably the CSC Liaisons as well (with a deadline in July).
I think that unwise.
Other ALAC members please comment.
Alan
At 13/06/2016 12:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
Alan and all,
The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I’m reiterating here is the following: Create a selection committee composed of one member from each region selected by the RALO Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs one non voting chair selected by ALAC The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca > a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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Addition: the appointment should be made by consensus, to avoid lengthy calls or voting procedures. ALAC could use the F2F time in HEL and decide (find consensus). It is an interim so don't lets over complicate the process! Best Sandra (Note: This message was sent from my iPhone - I do apologise for any misspelling.)
Am 14.06.2016 um 08:25 schrieb sandra hoferichter <info@hoferichter.eu>:
The two issues are interrelated: 1. Setting up a nomination committee 2. deciding about the GAC liaison as an interim position now - or later about a permanent seat.
The first should (can not) not be done in a rush but is needed for any permanent ALAC position including the GAC liaison.
For the second point: it is wise not to lose the momentum and go for a interim appointment even without a nomination committee.
In this respect I agree with Sebastiens proposal: "ALT will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki."
Best Sandra
(Note: This message was sent from my iPhone - I do apologise for any misspelling.)
Am 14.06.2016 um 05:37 schrieb León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>:
Dear all,
While I like the proposed way forward by Tijani, I think it is of the essence that we fill the Liaisons seats temporarily ASAP (that means before Helsinki).
Therefore, I support option 2 which I transcribe for avoidance of doubt:
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
Best regards,
León
El 13/06/2016, a las 4:00 p.m., Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> escribió:
You are saying that we should leave the GAC Liaison position open for Helsinki (since there certainly is no time to do this before), and probably the CSC Liaisons as well (with a deadline in July).
I think that unwise.
Other ALAC members please comment.
Alan
At 13/06/2016 12:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
Alan and all,
The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I’m reiterating here is the following: Create a selection committee composed of one member from each region selected by the RALO Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs one non voting chair selected by ALAC The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons.
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Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca > a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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Hi, The way I understand Alan's mail is that the appointment can't wait till Helsinki, it implies that it indeed needs to be done this week (if the intention is for the person to be at Helsinki). That said, I think It needs be cristal clear how long an interim period will be. Thinking aloud; I am wondering why we can't just appoint someone within ALAC(or who already have existing role) temporarily instead of selecting someone from the community who will just be there for a few months. Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos On 14 Jun 2016 7:34 a.m., "sandra hoferichter" <info@hoferichter.eu> wrote:
Addition: the appointment should be made by consensus, to avoid lengthy calls or voting procedures. ALAC could use the F2F time in HEL and decide (find consensus).
It is an interim so don't lets over complicate the process!
Best Sandra
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Am 14.06.2016 um 08:25 schrieb sandra hoferichter <info@hoferichter.eu>:
The two issues are interrelated: 1. Setting up a nomination committee 2. deciding about the GAC liaison as an interim position now - or later about a permanent seat.
The first should (can not) not be done in a rush but is needed for any permanent ALAC position including the GAC liaison.
For the second point: it is wise not to lose the momentum and go for a interim appointment even without a nomination committee.
In this respect I agree with Sebastiens proposal: "ALT will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki."
Best Sandra
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Am 14.06.2016 um 05:37 schrieb León Felipe Sánchez Ambía < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>:
Dear all,
While I like the proposed way forward by Tijani, I think it is of the essence that we fill the Liaisons seats temporarily ASAP (that means before Helsinki).
Therefore, I support option 2 which I transcribe for avoidance of doubt:
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
Best regards,
León
El 13/06/2016, a las 4:00 p.m., Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> escribió:
You are saying that we should leave the GAC Liaison position open for Helsinki (since there certainly is no time to do this before), and probably the CSC Liaisons as well (with a deadline in July).
I think that unwise.
Other ALAC members please comment.
Alan
At 13/06/2016 12:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
Alan and all,
The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I’m reiterating here is the following:
- Create a selection committee composed of - one member from each region selected by the RALO - Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs - one non voting chair selected by ALAC - The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair - Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods - Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. - All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee - All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC - The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons.
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*Tijani BEN JEMAA *Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114
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Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca > a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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Well said Sandra. I agree with you and others who are also proposing that we deal with the temporary GAC position NOW We can then look at a more formal process moving forward (for including into our ROPs) when we are in Helsinki, knowing that our place in the GAC arena is secure. Maureen On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:25 PM, sandra hoferichter <info@hoferichter.eu> wrote:
The two issues are interrelated: 1. Setting up a nomination committee 2. deciding about the GAC liaison as an interim position now - or later about a permanent seat.
The first should (can not) not be done in a rush but is needed for any permanent ALAC position including the GAC liaison.
For the second point: it is wise not to lose the momentum and go for a interim appointment even without a nomination committee.
In this respect I agree with Sebastiens proposal: "ALT will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki."
Best Sandra
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Am 14.06.2016 um 05:37 schrieb León Felipe Sánchez Ambía < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>:
Dear all,
While I like the proposed way forward by Tijani, I think it is of the essence that we fill the Liaisons seats temporarily ASAP (that means before Helsinki).
Therefore, I support option 2 which I transcribe for avoidance of doubt:
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
Best regards,
León
El 13/06/2016, a las 4:00 p.m., Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> escribió:
You are saying that we should leave the GAC Liaison position open for Helsinki (since there certainly is no time to do this before), and probably the CSC Liaisons as well (with a deadline in July).
I think that unwise.
Other ALAC members please comment.
Alan
At 13/06/2016 12:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
Alan and all,
The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I’m reiterating here is the following:
- Create a selection committee composed of - one member from each region selected by the RALO - Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs - one non voting chair selected by ALAC - The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair - Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods - Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. - All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee - All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC - The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons.
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*Tijani BEN JEMAA *Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114
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Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca > a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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Seen all position I tend to agree for the immediate solution ALT will decide. For the permanente solution ALAC as a whole as I prefer will decide.My suggestion is to have this interin position really interin till the time we decide the process and select a person. Kind regards, Vanda From: <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of sandra hoferichter <info@hoferichter.eu> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 3:25 AM To: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> Cc: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Re: [ALAC] URGENT: GAC Liaison The two issues are interrelated: 1. Setting up a nomination committee 2. deciding about the GAC liaison as an interim position now - or later about a permanent seat. The first should (can not) not be done in a rush but is needed for any permanent ALAC position including the GAC liaison. For the second point: it is wise not to lose the momentum and go for a interim appointment even without a nomination committee. In this respect I agree with Sebastiens proposal: "ALT will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki." Best Sandra (Note: This message was sent from my iPhone - I do apologise for any misspelling.) Am 14.06.2016 um 05:37 schrieb León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>>: Dear all, While I like the proposed way forward by Tijani, I think it is of the essence that we fill the Liaisons seats temporarily ASAP (that means before Helsinki). Therefore, I support option 2 which I transcribe for avoidance of doubt: 2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki. Best regards, León El 13/06/2016, a las 4:00 p.m., Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> escribió: You are saying that we should leave the GAC Liaison position open for Helsinki (since there certainly is no time to do this before), and probably the CSC Liaisons as well (with a deadline in July). I think that unwise. Other ALAC members please comment. Alan At 13/06/2016 12:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote: Alan and all, The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I’m reiterating here is the following: * Create a selection committee composed of * one member from each region selected by the RALO * Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs * one non voting chair selected by ALAC * The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with 5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair * Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and working methods * Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the new position. * All selections without exception shall go through the selection committee * All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to the ALAC * The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 12 juin 2016 à 17:44, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> > a écrit : As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC. The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith. In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements. Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues. a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki. b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process. c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled. d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish. After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following: 1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year. 2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki. I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals. 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Hello, It seems that we have 2 proposals Alan¹s one 2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki. Sebastien¹s one 2. ALT will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki. Skills are useful but diversity is essential. Sébastien Bachollet +33 6 07 66 89 33 Blog: http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/ Mail: Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com> Le 12/06/2016 18:44, « Alan Greenberg » <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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Dear all I would go for Sebastien's proposal which allows the bigger group to make the decision of choosing the interim GAC liaison with a recommendation of course from the ALT Beran "The best of you are those who are best to the women" Mohammad SAW Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Jun 2016, at 22:13, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com> wrote:
Hello, It seems that we have 2 proposals Alan¹s one 2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
Sebastien¹s one 2. ALT will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
Skills are useful but diversity is essential.
Sébastien Bachollet +33 6 07 66 89 33 Blog: http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/ Mail: Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com>
Le 12/06/2016 18:44, « Alan Greenberg » <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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Hello FWIW as I have not formerly indicated my position on this topic; My view is that ALT make a recommendation to ALAC who will then appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC. As it's just few days to Helsinki, it may be good to know what's the way forward with this. Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos On 15 Jun 2016 22:15, "Sébastien Bachollet" <sebastien@bachollet.com> wrote:
Hello, It seems that we have 2 proposals Alan¹s one 2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
Sebastien¹s one 2. ALT will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
Skills are useful but diversity is essential.
Sébastien Bachollet +33 6 07 66 89 33 Blog: http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/ Mail: Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com>
Le 12/06/2016 18:44, « Alan Greenberg » <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> a écrit :
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the GAC.
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership). That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must depend on trust and good faith.
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our community who meet these requirements.
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few issues.
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person is to be seated in Helsinki.
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the process.
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position unfilled.
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents (Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we wish.
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the following:
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017 year.
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises (a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.
Alan
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participants (13)
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Alan Greenberg -
Alberto Soto -
Beran Dondeh -
Holly Raiche -
León Felipe Sánchez Ambía -
Maureen Hilyard -
sandra hoferichter -
Seun Ojedeji -
Subrenat, Jean-Jacques -
sylvia＠internautabrasil.org -
Sébastien Bachollet -
Tijani BEN JEMAA -
Vanda Scartezini