Fwd: Cherine Chalaby to Alan Greenberg RE: GAC-ALAC Joint Statement of 2 Nov 2017
Response to the joint ALAC/GAC Advice Alan
To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: [Correspondence] Cherine Chalaby to Alan Greenberg RE: GAC-ALAC Joint Statement of 2 Nov 2017 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 00:16:53 +0000
Dear Alan Greenberg,
Please find the attached letter from Cherine Chalaby in response to the joint GAC-ALAC statement of 2 November 2017 âEnabling inclusive, informed, and meaningful participation at ICANNâ.
You may expect this letter to be posted shortly to the ICANN Correspondence page: <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence>https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence.
With warm regards,
Wendy Profit ICANN Manager, Board Operations 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094
Thanks for sharing Alan Vanda Scartezini Sent from my iPhone Sorry for typos On 12 Feb 2018, at 03:25, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote: Response to the joint ALAC/GAC Advice Alan To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Subject: [Correspondence] Cherine Chalaby to Alan Greenberg RE: GAC-ALAC Joint Statement of 2 Nov 2017 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 00:16:53 +0000 Dear Alan Greenberg, Please find the attached letter from Cherine Chalaby in response to the joint GAC-ALAC statement of 2 November 2017 “Enabling inclusive, informed, and meaningful participation at ICANNâ€. You may expect this letter to be posted shortly to the ICANN Correspondence page: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence. With warm regards, Wendy Profit ICANN – Manager, Board Operations 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 <2018-02-09 Chalaby-to-Greenberg.pdf> _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
Thanks for sharing Alan Vanda Scartezini Sent from my iPhone Sorry for typos On 12 Feb 2018, at 03:25, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote: Response to the joint ALAC/GAC Advice Alan To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Subject: [Correspondence] Cherine Chalaby to Alan Greenberg RE: GAC-ALAC Joint Statement of 2 Nov 2017 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 00:16:53 +0000 Dear Alan Greenberg, Please find the attached letter from Cherine Chalaby in response to the joint GAC-ALAC statement of 2 November 2017 “Enabling inclusive, informed, and meaningful participation at ICANNâ€. You may expect this letter to be posted shortly to the ICANN Correspondence page: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence. With warm regards, Wendy Profit ICANN – Manager, Board Operations 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 <2018-02-09 Chalaby-to-Greenberg.pdf> _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
*"The Board also encourages the ALAC to continue to lead by example in producing materials that ensure effective and equal participation by all stakeholders, and would encourage the ALAC to include executive summaries on statements, advisories, and other materials issued by the ALAC."* How noble. Will the Board sufficiently resource the ALAC to produce such materials and additional content? What the Board wants -- anywhere in ICANN, they're able to get if it's sufficiently resourced. - Evan
“The Board also looks forward to discussing this issue further with the ALAC and GAC at the ICANN61 meeting in San Juan, Puerto Rico.” One, some or all the “issues” touched upon in the Joint Statement? Javier Rúa-Jovet +1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
On Feb 12, 2018, at 11:40 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
"The Board also encourages the ALAC to continue to lead by example in producing materials that ensure effective and equal participation by all stakeholders, and would encourage the ALAC to include executive summaries on statements, advisories, and other materials issued by the ALAC."
How noble. Will the Board sufficiently resource the ALAC to produce such materials and additional content?
What the Board wants -- anywhere in ICANN, they're able to get if it's sufficiently resourced.
- Evan
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Folks Yes, we will ned some staff support. But one thing we can easily do is that, when we respond to PDPs, in the response, include in an introductory paragraph what we are saying - not that difficult. And maybe point out to Cherine that we already have a policy page (thanks to Ariel) where what we have said is organised by various topics - a start at least. Holly On 13 Feb 2018, at 2:50 am, Javier Rua <javrua@gmail.com> wrote:
“The Board also looks forward to discussing this issue further with the ALAC and GAC at the ICANN61 meeting in San Juan, Puerto Rico.”
One, some or all the “issues” touched upon in the Joint Statement?
Javier Rúa-Jovet
+1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
On Feb 12, 2018, at 11:40 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
"The Board also encourages the ALAC to continue to lead by example in producing materials that ensure effective and equal participation by all stakeholders, and would encourage the ALAC to include executive summaries on statements, advisories, and other materials issued by the ALAC."
How noble. Will the Board sufficiently resource the ALAC to produce such materials and additional content?
What the Board wants -- anywhere in ICANN, they're able to get if it's sufficiently resourced.
- Evan
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+1 -Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
*"The Board also encourages the ALAC to continue to lead by example in producing materials that ensure effective and equal participation by all stakeholders, and would encourage the ALAC to include executive summaries on statements, advisories, and other materials issued by the ALAC."*
How noble. Will the Board sufficiently resource the ALAC to produce such materials and additional content?
What the Board wants -- anywhere in ICANN, they're able to get if it's sufficiently resourced.
- Evan
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Executive summaries is a great idea. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 00:35 To: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> Cc: 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Cherine Chalaby to Alan Greenberg RE: GAC-ALAC Joint Statement of 2 Nov 2017 +1 -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org<mailto:evan@telly.org>> wrote: "The Board also encourages the ALAC to continue to lead by example in producing materials that ensure effective and equal participation by all stakeholders, and would encourage the ALAC to include executive summaries on statements, advisories, and other materials issued by the ALAC." How noble. Will the Board sufficiently resource the ALAC to produce such materials and additional content? What the Board wants -- anywhere in ICANN, they're able to get if it's sufficiently resourced. - Evan _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
+1 On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote:
Executive summaries is a great idea.
*Vanda Scartezini*
*Polo Consultores Associados*
*Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004*
*01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil*
*Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 <+55%2011%203266-6253>*
*Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 <+55%2011%2098181-1464> *
*Sorry for any typos. *
*From: *ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> *Date: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 00:35 *To: *Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> *Cc: *'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg < alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Cherine Chalaby to Alan Greenberg RE: GAC-ALAC Joint Statement of 2 Nov 2017
+1
-Carlton
============================== *Carlton A Samuels*
*Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
*"The Board also encourages the ALAC to continue to lead by example in producing materials that ensure effective and equal participation by all stakeholders, and would encourage the ALAC to include executive summaries on statements, advisories, and other materials issued by the ALAC."*
How noble. Will the Board sufficiently resource the ALAC to produce such materials and additional content?
What the Board wants -- anywhere in ICANN, they're able to get if it's sufficiently resourced.
- Evan
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You know what is the glaring presumption here? That most people really want to or even like to read these tomes! First, there is abundant evidence that most persons engaged in this business simply don't read documents, whether they are long or short. I defy successful contradiction. Breaking news. And I hate to break this to all y'all but from long experience in corporate, the evidence of 'senior' people reading high-level summaries more than the long document is precisely NEVER! Years ago one fella told me that my writing was too literate, I needed to write at an 8th grade level for senior corporate officers. That was waaay before Donald Trump. Never mind he remained as dense as thick mud. Pffft. -Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote:
Executive summaries is a great idea.
*Vanda Scartezini*
*Polo Consultores Associados*
*Av. Paulista 1159 <https://maps.google.com/?q=Av.+Paulista+1159&entry=gmail&source=g>, cj 1004*
*01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil*
*Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 <+55%2011%203266-6253>*
*Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 <+55%2011%2098181-1464> *
*Sorry for any typos. *
*From: *ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> *Date: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 00:35 *To: *Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> *Cc: *'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg < alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Cherine Chalaby to Alan Greenberg RE: GAC-ALAC Joint Statement of 2 Nov 2017
+1
-Carlton
============================== *Carlton A Samuels*
*Mobile: 876-818-1799 <(876)%20818-1799> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
*"The Board also encourages the ALAC to continue to lead by example in producing materials that ensure effective and equal participation by all stakeholders, and would encourage the ALAC to include executive summaries on statements, advisories, and other materials issued by the ALAC."*
How noble. Will the Board sufficiently resource the ALAC to produce such materials and additional content?
What the Board wants -- anywhere in ICANN, they're able to get if it's sufficiently resourced.
- Evan
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
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Now Carlton I think we have to presume at least SOME of those above us actually want to understand what we think - I know, maybe just a fond hope. But when I was working at a public interest law centre, we always wrote a summary - no more than a page or page and a half - on what we were saying. That way, there was an odds on chance the relevant Minister/Minister’s adviser would read it. In attachments, put the bulk of what you want to say and - because it usually involved legislative change - another appendix for the Parliamentary draftsperson so they knew what you wanted. And generally, that was the best way to be heard - and have something happen. Exec summaries do help - as long as they can be read in under 60 seconds! Holly On 15 Feb 2018, at 3:08 am, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
You know what is the glaring presumption here? That most people really want to or even like to read these tomes!
First, there is abundant evidence that most persons engaged in this business simply don't read documents, whether they are long or short. I defy successful contradiction.
Breaking news. And I hate to break this to all y'all but from long experience in corporate, the evidence of 'senior' people reading high-level summaries more than the long document is precisely NEVER!
Years ago one fella told me that my writing was too literate, I needed to write at an 8th grade level for senior corporate officers. That was waaay before Donald Trump. Never mind he remained as dense as thick mud.
Pffft.
-Carlton
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround =============================
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote: Executive summaries is a great idea.
Vanda Scartezini
Polo Consultores Associados
Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004
01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253
Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464
Sorry for any typos.
From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 00:35 To: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> Cc: 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Cherine Chalaby to Alan Greenberg RE: GAC-ALAC Joint Statement of 2 Nov 2017
+1
-Carlton
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround =============================
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
"The Board also encourages the ALAC to continue to lead by example in producing materials that ensure effective and equal participation by all stakeholders, and would encourage the ALAC to include executive summaries on statements, advisories, and other materials issued by the ALAC."
How noble. Will the Board sufficiently resource the ALAC to produce such materials and additional content?
What the Board wants -- anywhere in ICANN, they're able to get if it's sufficiently resourced.
- Evan
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Just from my experience here in a high level position in the government and in Private sector, I tried many time to read all documents sent to me in the small time available but summaries always helped a lot. It continues to work in this region… From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 17:43 To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc: 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Cherine Chalaby to Alan Greenberg RE: GAC-ALAC Joint Statement of 2 Nov 2017 Now Carlton I think we have to presume at least SOME of those above us actually want to understand what we think - I know, maybe just a fond hope. But when I was working at a public interest law centre, we always wrote a summary - no more than a page or page and a half - on what we were saying. That way, there was an odds on chance the relevant Minister/Minister’s adviser would read it. In attachments, put the bulk of what you want to say and - because it usually involved legislative change - another appendix for the Parliamentary draftsperson so they knew what you wanted. And generally, that was the best way to be heard - and have something happen. Exec summaries do help - as long as they can be read in under 60 seconds! Holly On 15 Feb 2018, at 3:08 am, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: You know what is the glaring presumption here? That most people really want to or even like to read these tomes! First, there is abundant evidence that most persons engaged in this business simply don't read documents, whether they are long or short. I defy successful contradiction. Breaking news. And I hate to break this to all y'all but from long experience in corporate, the evidence of 'senior' people reading high-level summaries more than the long document is precisely NEVER! Years ago one fella told me that my writing was too literate, I needed to write at an 8th grade level for senior corporate officers. That was waaay before Donald Trump. Never mind he remained as dense as thick mud. Pffft. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org>> wrote: Executive summaries is a great idea. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159<https://maps.google.com/?q=Av.+Paulista+1159&entry=gmail&source=g>, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253<tel:+55%2011%203266-6253> Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464<tel:+55%2011%2098181-1464> Sorry for any typos. From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 00:35 To: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org<mailto:evan@telly.org>> Cc: 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Cherine Chalaby to Alan Greenberg RE: GAC-ALAC Joint Statement of 2 Nov 2017 +1 -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799<tel:(876)%20818-1799> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org<mailto:evan@telly.org>> wrote: "The Board also encourages the ALAC to continue to lead by example in producing materials that ensure effective and equal participation by all stakeholders, and would encourage the ALAC to include executive summaries on statements, advisories, and other materials issued by the ALAC." How noble. Will the Board sufficiently resource the ALAC to produce such materials and additional content? What the Board wants -- anywhere in ICANN, they're able to get if it's sufficiently resourced. - Evan _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org<http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
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