Message to Board on Strategic Plan
Hi all, Here is the general overview of my proposed message to the Board on the strategic plan as requested by Tijani during the meeting. This is in addition to Holly’s question to the board on the same topic. The strategic plan of ICANN is quite rich, and We are glad it now includes issues under Geopolitics. We think it's a fantastic document: however, we hope more should be done in terms of having a strategy to engage members as appropriate. For example, ICANN is now a sector member of the ITU because of the need to have a seat at the table where ICANN issues are being discussed within the context and remit of the ITU. Some Government representatives to ITU meetings come to ICANN meetings in representing a wide range of interest and there is a need to have a strategy to engage these people within the geopolitical theme of the strategy document as nothing can be archive as not a lot can be achieved by a sector member without the buy-in on member state. Therefore, our view is that there should be a clear strategy to engage these people to harmonize views to promote the goal of ICANN and this should be more effective rather than an Ad-hoc discussion at the corridor. -- *Dr. Abdulkarim A.Oloyede*. *B. Eng (BUK), M.Sc (York), PhD (York), R.Eng, A+* *Senior Lecturer, **Department of Telecommunications Science, University of Ilorin, Nigeria* *Rutherford Commonwealth Postdoctoral Researcher In Wireless Telecommunications, University of York * *Vice Chairman, Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG), **International Telecommunication Union (ITU) (2017-2021).* *Alternative Emails: olouss@yahoo.com <olouss@yahoo.com> OR aao500@york.ac.uk <aao500@york.ac.uk>* -- Website <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng>, Weekly Bulletin <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/index.php/bulletin> UGPortal <http://uilugportal.unilorin.edu.ng/> PGPortal <https://uilpgportal.unilorin.edu.ng/>
Hi all With regards to the Board-ALAC meeting tomorrow, it is important we stick to the plan. We have already told them that we are going to make a comment about their strategic plan, financial operations plan and the multistakeholder model, AND THEN we are going to raise the DNS Abuse issue for them to respond to. We want to be able to have a decent discussion about this topic with them. They will have talked it to death with other sections of ICANN, but we will base on the end-user perspective. Unfortunately we won't be able to add another topic. We've only got an hour with them. M On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 4:15 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is the general overview of my proposed message to the Board on the strategic plan as requested by Tijani during the meeting.
This is in addition to Holly’s question to the board on the same topic.
The strategic plan of ICANN is quite rich, and We are glad it now includes issues under Geopolitics. We think it's a fantastic document: however, we hope more should be done in terms of having a strategy to engage members as appropriate.
For example, ICANN is now a sector member of the ITU because of the need to have a seat at the table where ICANN issues are being discussed within the context and remit of the ITU. Some Government representatives to ITU meetings come to ICANN meetings in representing a wide range of interest and there is a need to have a strategy to engage these people within the geopolitical theme of the strategy document as nothing can be archive as not a lot can be achieved by a sector member without the buy-in on member state.
Therefore, our view is that there should be a clear strategy to engage these people to harmonize views to promote the goal of ICANN and this should be more effective rather than an Ad-hoc discussion at the corridor.
-- *Dr. Abdulkarim A.Oloyede*. *B. Eng (BUK), M.Sc (York), PhD (York), R.Eng, A+* *Senior Lecturer, **Department of Telecommunications Science, University of Ilorin, Nigeria*
*Rutherford Commonwealth Postdoctoral Researcher In Wireless Telecommunications, University of York *
*Vice Chairman, Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG), **International Telecommunication Union (ITU) (2017-2021).* *Alternative Emails: olouss@yahoo.com <olouss@yahoo.com> OR aao500@york.ac.uk <aao500@york.ac.uk>*
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Dear Maureen, You message is not clear are you Siang this is a new issue or are you speaking generally? I seams a bit confused here. This is because my previous email is about the startegic plan which is part of the plan. Am I getting something wrong here? Thank you. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, 18:48 Maureen Hilyard, <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all With regards to the Board-ALAC meeting tomorrow, it is important we stick to the plan. We have already told them that we are going to make a comment about their strategic plan, financial operations plan and the multistakeholder model, AND THEN we are going to raise the DNS Abuse issue for them to respond to. We want to be able to have a decent discussion about this topic with them. They will have talked it to death with other sections of ICANN, but we will base on the end-user perspective.
Unfortunately we won't be able to add another topic. We've only got an hour with them.
M
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 4:15 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is the general overview of my proposed message to the Board on the strategic plan as requested by Tijani during the meeting.
This is in addition to Holly’s question to the board on the same topic.
The strategic plan of ICANN is quite rich, and We are glad it now includes issues under Geopolitics. We think it's a fantastic document: however, we hope more should be done in terms of having a strategy to engage members as appropriate.
For example, ICANN is now a sector member of the ITU because of the need to have a seat at the table where ICANN issues are being discussed within the context and remit of the ITU. Some Government representatives to ITU meetings come to ICANN meetings in representing a wide range of interest and there is a need to have a strategy to engage these people within the geopolitical theme of the strategy document as nothing can be archive as not a lot can be achieved by a sector member without the buy-in on member state.
Therefore, our view is that there should be a clear strategy to engage these people to harmonize views to promote the goal of ICANN and this should be more effective rather than an Ad-hoc discussion at the corridor.
-- *Dr. Abdulkarim A.Oloyede*. *B. Eng (BUK), M.Sc (York), PhD (York), R.Eng, A+* *Senior Lecturer, **Department of Telecommunications Science, University of Ilorin, Nigeria*
*Rutherford Commonwealth Postdoctoral Researcher In Wireless Telecommunications, University of York *
*Vice Chairman, Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG), **International Telecommunication Union (ITU) (2017-2021).* *Alternative Emails: olouss@yahoo.com <olouss@yahoo.com> OR aao500@york.ac.uk <aao500@york.ac.uk>*
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Dear Maureen, You message is not clear are you saying this is a new issue or are you speaking generally? I seams a bit confused here. This is because my previous email is about the startegic plan which is part of the plan. Am I getting something wrong here? Thank you. Abdulkarim On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, 18:48 Maureen Hilyard, <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all With regards to the Board-ALAC meeting tomorrow, it is important we stick to the plan. We have already told them that we are going to make a comment about their strategic plan, financial operations plan and the multistakeholder model, AND THEN we are going to raise the DNS Abuse issue for them to respond to. We want to be able to have a decent discussion about this topic with them. They will have talked it to death with other sections of ICANN, but we will base on the end-user perspective.
Unfortunately we won't be able to add another topic. We've only got an hour with them.
M
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 4:15 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is the general overview of my proposed message to the Board on the strategic plan as requested by Tijani during the meeting.
This is in addition to Holly’s question to the board on the same topic.
The strategic plan of ICANN is quite rich, and We are glad it now includes issues under Geopolitics. We think it's a fantastic document: however, we hope more should be done in terms of having a strategy to engage members as appropriate.
For example, ICANN is now a sector member of the ITU because of the need to have a seat at the table where ICANN issues are being discussed within the context and remit of the ITU. Some Government representatives to ITU meetings come to ICANN meetings in representing a wide range of interest and there is a need to have a strategy to engage these people within the geopolitical theme of the strategy document as nothing can be archive as not a lot can be achieved by a sector member without the buy-in on member state.
Therefore, our view is that there should be a clear strategy to engage these people to harmonize views to promote the goal of ICANN and this should be more effective rather than an Ad-hoc discussion at the corridor.
-- *Dr. Abdulkarim A.Oloyede*. *B. Eng (BUK), M.Sc (York), PhD (York), R.Eng, A+* *Senior Lecturer, **Department of Telecommunications Science, University of Ilorin, Nigeria*
*Rutherford Commonwealth Postdoctoral Researcher In Wireless Telecommunications, University of York *
*Vice Chairman, Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG), **International Telecommunication Union (ITU) (2017-2021).* *Alternative Emails: olouss@yahoo.com <olouss@yahoo.com> OR aao500@york.ac.uk <aao500@york.ac.uk>*
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Hi Abdulkarim I want to give the predominance of time to the DNS Abuse that was given as the ALAC's choice of topic by the CPWG for discussion by the Board. The Board asked for feedback on the strategic plan.. and Holly is going to talk about fragmentation, which was discussed during the session. However I think Holly asked for a summary of your question which she is still waiting for because between you and her, the strategic plan topic has only been assigned 5 minutes between you. Marita and Ricardo also only have 5 mins. Please send her the actual question and a short statement. Maureen On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, 6:54 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE, < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Dear Maureen, You message is not clear are you saying this is a new issue or are you speaking generally? I seams a bit confused here. This is because my previous email is about the startegic plan which is part of the plan. Am I getting something wrong here? Thank you. Abdulkarim
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, 18:48 Maureen Hilyard, <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all With regards to the Board-ALAC meeting tomorrow, it is important we stick to the plan. We have already told them that we are going to make a comment about their strategic plan, financial operations plan and the multistakeholder model, AND THEN we are going to raise the DNS Abuse issue for them to respond to. We want to be able to have a decent discussion about this topic with them. They will have talked it to death with other sections of ICANN, but we will base on the end-user perspective.
Unfortunately we won't be able to add another topic. We've only got an hour with them.
M
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 4:15 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is the general overview of my proposed message to the Board on the strategic plan as requested by Tijani during the meeting.
This is in addition to Holly’s question to the board on the same topic.
The strategic plan of ICANN is quite rich, and We are glad it now includes issues under Geopolitics. We think it's a fantastic document: however, we hope more should be done in terms of having a strategy to engage members as appropriate.
For example, ICANN is now a sector member of the ITU because of the need to have a seat at the table where ICANN issues are being discussed within the context and remit of the ITU. Some Government representatives to ITU meetings come to ICANN meetings in representing a wide range of interest and there is a need to have a strategy to engage these people within the geopolitical theme of the strategy document as nothing can be archive as not a lot can be achieved by a sector member without the buy-in on member state.
Therefore, our view is that there should be a clear strategy to engage these people to harmonize views to promote the goal of ICANN and this should be more effective rather than an Ad-hoc discussion at the corridor.
-- *Dr. Abdulkarim A.Oloyede*. *B. Eng (BUK), M.Sc (York), PhD (York), R.Eng, A+* *Senior Lecturer, **Department of Telecommunications Science, University of Ilorin, Nigeria*
*Rutherford Commonwealth Postdoctoral Researcher In Wireless Telecommunications, University of York *
*Vice Chairman, Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG), **International Telecommunication Union (ITU) (2017-2021).* *Alternative Emails: olouss@yahoo.com <olouss@yahoo.com> OR aao500@york.ac.uk <aao500@york.ac.uk>*
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Dear Maureen, Thank you for your email however I think something is missing and it is my duty to fill the gap. Just like how the GDPR law affected the working of ICANN a single resolution from the ITU can change the scope, the legitimacy or the way ICANN carries out its activities. The ITU has two types of members the sector members and the member state. ICANN is now a sector member and all countries of the world can be part of the member state. Member state can only be represented by those appointed by a country and they are the only ones who can vote or take a major decision at the ITU. Therefore, ITU is controlled by the member state and sector member can only have a voice in the room but can not ultimately take a direct role in decision making at the ITU. Therefore being a sector member is not enough. As a sector member, you need to 'lobby' the member state to achieve your goal. The ITU seams to be more legitimate than ICANN because representatives at the ITU have to be appointed by a government and this is not like ICANN where anyone can be a member. We all know the power ultimately belongs to governments ( we have seen this from GDPR recently). Therefore the next stage for ICANN after joining as a sector member of the ITU is to know how to ''lobby'' the member state. One of the major issue being discussed at the ITU is the legitimacy of ICANN and fragmentation of the internet. Some member states are beginning to agitate for ITU to carry out the function of ICANN and some of us believe doing this would lead to fragmenting the internet or a situation where governments would directly control the internet. This is exactly part of what the ICANN board saw and decided to be a sector member of the ITU and I believe this is the same reason why the Internet Society also joined as a sector member. Judith, (copied in this mail) Natalia Mochu, Nadira (copied in this mail) and Nigel Hickson are the other people whom I know that are familiar with these issues (as we have been together at ITU meetings)and you might want to also consult them. Therefore my question has a direct relationship to internet fragmentation and the ICANN strategic plan. The internet society has been using my suggested mechanism and to a large extent, it has been working. You can ask the 4 people I mentioned earlier. Secondly, if you do not want this question to be asked today, I am ready to give it up because I am not yet fully on the ALAC and because it does not 100% fall into the remit of why NOMCOM appointed me unto the ALAC against the wish of some. Let me be clear, I was appointed by NOMCOM to ALAC for 2 reasons (1) to bring a different perspective to the ALAC and (2) To represent the African Community as these where two distinct criteria they wanted during the selection process. My argument above fulfils objective 1 of my appointment but it does not fulfil the second objective because some African government are the ones majorly pushing for the fragmentation of the internet at the level of the ITU by pushing for ITU to take over the role of ICANN. Hence why I am ready to give this up this time. Finally, I do not subscribe and totally reject the insinuation in the personal email Holly sent to me and copied you suggesting that I take instructions from Tijani. This was the email I first received and I believe that was why you followed up with another email (not sure). Let me be clear, I have my own mind, the capacity and capability to know what is wrong and what is right. Thanks and Apologies for this long email. Abdulkarim On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 10:24 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Abdulkarim
I want to give the predominance of time to the DNS Abuse that was given as the ALAC's choice of topic by the CPWG for discussion by the Board.
The Board asked for feedback on the strategic plan.. and Holly is going to talk about fragmentation, which was discussed during the session.
However I think Holly asked for a summary of your question which she is still waiting for because between you and her, the strategic plan topic has only been assigned 5 minutes between you. Marita and Ricardo also only have 5 mins.
Please send her the actual question and a short statement.
Maureen
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, 6:54 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE, < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Dear Maureen, You message is not clear are you saying this is a new issue or are you speaking generally? I seams a bit confused here. This is because my previous email is about the startegic plan which is part of the plan. Am I getting something wrong here? Thank you. Abdulkarim
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, 18:48 Maureen Hilyard, <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all With regards to the Board-ALAC meeting tomorrow, it is important we stick to the plan. We have already told them that we are going to make a comment about their strategic plan, financial operations plan and the multistakeholder model, AND THEN we are going to raise the DNS Abuse issue for them to respond to. We want to be able to have a decent discussion about this topic with them. They will have talked it to death with other sections of ICANN, but we will base on the end-user perspective.
Unfortunately we won't be able to add another topic. We've only got an hour with them.
M
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 4:15 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is the general overview of my proposed message to the Board on the strategic plan as requested by Tijani during the meeting.
This is in addition to Holly’s question to the board on the same topic.
The strategic plan of ICANN is quite rich, and We are glad it now includes issues under Geopolitics. We think it's a fantastic document: however, we hope more should be done in terms of having a strategy to engage members as appropriate.
For example, ICANN is now a sector member of the ITU because of the need to have a seat at the table where ICANN issues are being discussed within the context and remit of the ITU. Some Government representatives to ITU meetings come to ICANN meetings in representing a wide range of interest and there is a need to have a strategy to engage these people within the geopolitical theme of the strategy document as nothing can be archive as not a lot can be achieved by a sector member without the buy-in on member state.
Therefore, our view is that there should be a clear strategy to engage these people to harmonize views to promote the goal of ICANN and this should be more effective rather than an Ad-hoc discussion at the corridor.
-- *Dr. Abdulkarim A.Oloyede*. *B. Eng (BUK), M.Sc (York), PhD (York), R.Eng, A+* *Senior Lecturer, **Department of Telecommunications Science, University of Ilorin, Nigeria*
*Rutherford Commonwealth Postdoctoral Researcher In Wireless Telecommunications, University of York *
*Vice Chairman, Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG), **International Telecommunication Union (ITU) (2017-2021).* *Alternative Emails: olouss@yahoo.com <olouss@yahoo.com> OR aao500@york.ac.uk <aao500@york.ac.uk>*
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HI Abdulkarim I fully appreciate your view on these issues, but when we are at an ICANN meeting we are limited by certain constraints and other opportunities are provided for you to raise these issues e.g. a public forum, etc, but the meeting with the Board is quite specific. ALAC members were given an opportunity to present their ideas to the Board questions wiki well before the meeting began so we could prepare ourselves and the Board. Please do not limit yourself to the times where we have boundaries that are outside of our control. The schedule for the Board meeting has been set, and while we have limited ourselves with regards to their question and given more time for our own on DNS Abuse, the Board has been informed about this. They do not like surprises. Therefore, we will stick to our original plan and Holly will present on the strategic plan, Ricardo on the Financial plan and Marita on the Multistakeholder model. Jonathan will lead the discussion in DNS Abuse and he has already sent the Board our backgrounder. See you are the Board meeting today at 3.15pm and thank you for your interest in the work of the ALAC. Maureen . On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 7:42 AM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Dear Maureen, Thank you for your email however I think something is missing and it is my duty to fill the gap.
Just like how the GDPR law affected the working of ICANN a single resolution from the ITU can change the scope, the legitimacy or the way ICANN carries out its activities. The ITU has two types of members the sector members and the member state. ICANN is now a sector member and all countries of the world can be part of the member state. Member state can only be represented by those appointed by a country and they are the only ones who can vote or take a major decision at the ITU. Therefore, ITU is controlled by the member state and sector member can only have a voice in the room but can not ultimately take a direct role in decision making at the ITU. Therefore being a sector member is not enough. As a sector member, you need to 'lobby' the member state to achieve your goal. The ITU seams to be more legitimate than ICANN because representatives at the ITU have to be appointed by a government and this is not like ICANN where anyone can be a member. We all know the power ultimately belongs to governments ( we have seen this from GDPR recently). Therefore the next stage for ICANN after joining as a sector member of the ITU is to know how to ''lobby'' the member state.
One of the major issue being discussed at the ITU is the legitimacy of ICANN and fragmentation of the internet. Some member states are beginning to agitate for ITU to carry out the function of ICANN and some of us believe doing this would lead to fragmenting the internet or a situation where governments would directly control the internet. This is exactly part of what the ICANN board saw and decided to be a sector member of the ITU and I believe this is the same reason why the Internet Society also joined as a sector member. Judith, (copied in this mail) Natalia Mochu, Nadira (copied in this mail) and Nigel Hickson are the other people whom I know that are familiar with these issues (as we have been together at ITU meetings)and you might want to also consult them. Therefore my question has a direct relationship to internet fragmentation and the ICANN strategic plan. The internet society has been using my suggested mechanism and to a large extent, it has been working. You can ask the 4 people I mentioned earlier.
Secondly, if you do not want this question to be asked today, I am ready to give it up because I am not yet fully on the ALAC and because it does not 100% fall into the remit of why NOMCOM appointed me unto the ALAC against the wish of some. Let me be clear, I was appointed by NOMCOM to ALAC for 2 reasons (1) to bring a different perspective to the ALAC and (2) To represent the African Community as these where two distinct criteria they wanted during the selection process. My argument above fulfils objective 1 of my appointment but it does not fulfil the second objective because some African government are the ones majorly pushing for the fragmentation of the internet at the level of the ITU by pushing for ITU to take over the role of ICANN. Hence why I am ready to give this up this time. Finally, I do not subscribe and totally reject the insinuation in the personal email Holly sent to me and copied you suggesting that I take instructions from Tijani. This was the email I first received and I believe that was why you followed up with another email (not sure). Let me be clear, I have my own mind, the capacity and capability to know what is wrong and what is right.
Thanks and Apologies for this long email.
Abdulkarim
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 10:24 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Abdulkarim
I want to give the predominance of time to the DNS Abuse that was given as the ALAC's choice of topic by the CPWG for discussion by the Board.
The Board asked for feedback on the strategic plan.. and Holly is going to talk about fragmentation, which was discussed during the session.
However I think Holly asked for a summary of your question which she is still waiting for because between you and her, the strategic plan topic has only been assigned 5 minutes between you. Marita and Ricardo also only have 5 mins.
Please send her the actual question and a short statement.
Maureen
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, 6:54 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE, < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Dear Maureen, You message is not clear are you saying this is a new issue or are you speaking generally? I seams a bit confused here. This is because my previous email is about the startegic plan which is part of the plan. Am I getting something wrong here? Thank you. Abdulkarim
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, 18:48 Maureen Hilyard, <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all With regards to the Board-ALAC meeting tomorrow, it is important we stick to the plan. We have already told them that we are going to make a comment about their strategic plan, financial operations plan and the multistakeholder model, AND THEN we are going to raise the DNS Abuse issue for them to respond to. We want to be able to have a decent discussion about this topic with them. They will have talked it to death with other sections of ICANN, but we will base on the end-user perspective.
Unfortunately we won't be able to add another topic. We've only got an hour with them.
M
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 4:15 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is the general overview of my proposed message to the Board on the strategic plan as requested by Tijani during the meeting.
This is in addition to Holly’s question to the board on the same topic.
The strategic plan of ICANN is quite rich, and We are glad it now includes issues under Geopolitics. We think it's a fantastic document: however, we hope more should be done in terms of having a strategy to engage members as appropriate.
For example, ICANN is now a sector member of the ITU because of the need to have a seat at the table where ICANN issues are being discussed within the context and remit of the ITU. Some Government representatives to ITU meetings come to ICANN meetings in representing a wide range of interest and there is a need to have a strategy to engage these people within the geopolitical theme of the strategy document as nothing can be archive as not a lot can be achieved by a sector member without the buy-in on member state.
Therefore, our view is that there should be a clear strategy to engage these people to harmonize views to promote the goal of ICANN and this should be more effective rather than an Ad-hoc discussion at the corridor.
-- *Dr. Abdulkarim A.Oloyede*. *B. Eng (BUK), M.Sc (York), PhD (York), R.Eng, A+* *Senior Lecturer, **Department of Telecommunications Science, University of Ilorin, Nigeria*
*Rutherford Commonwealth Postdoctoral Researcher In Wireless Telecommunications, University of York *
*Vice Chairman, Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG), **International Telecommunication Union (ITU) (2017-2021).* *Alternative Emails: olouss@yahoo.com <olouss@yahoo.com> OR aao500@york.ac.uk <aao500@york.ac.uk>*
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Dear Maureen, Thank you for your response and it's ok by me. However please note that I had the opportunity of discussing with 2 Board members this morning durring my breakfast at the intercontinental hotel and they said to me this is what they wanted us to raise with them and that I should please raise it with the entire board. They also informed me that they are also trying to do something about the issue and that my question might trigger a better response from the board as it is timely. RSSAC has also offered that I raise the question durring thier interaction with the board as I deem fit on behalf of RSSAC. Abdulkarim On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, 08:30 Maureen Hilyard, <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Abdulkarim
I fully appreciate your view on these issues, but when we are at an ICANN meeting we are limited by certain constraints and other opportunities are provided for you to raise these issues e.g. a public forum, etc, but the meeting with the Board is quite specific. ALAC members were given an opportunity to present their ideas to the Board questions wiki well before the meeting began so we could prepare ourselves and the Board.
Please do not limit yourself to the times where we have boundaries that are outside of our control. The schedule for the Board meeting has been set, and while we have limited ourselves with regards to their question and given more time for our own on DNS Abuse, the Board has been informed about this. They do not like surprises. Therefore, we will stick to our original plan and Holly will present on the strategic plan, Ricardo on the Financial plan and Marita on the Multistakeholder model. Jonathan will lead the discussion in DNS Abuse and he has already sent the Board our backgrounder.
See you are the Board meeting today at 3.15pm and thank you for your interest in the work of the ALAC.
Maureen .
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 7:42 AM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Dear Maureen, Thank you for your email however I think something is missing and it is my duty to fill the gap.
Just like how the GDPR law affected the working of ICANN a single resolution from the ITU can change the scope, the legitimacy or the way ICANN carries out its activities. The ITU has two types of members the sector members and the member state. ICANN is now a sector member and all countries of the world can be part of the member state. Member state can only be represented by those appointed by a country and they are the only ones who can vote or take a major decision at the ITU. Therefore, ITU is controlled by the member state and sector member can only have a voice in the room but can not ultimately take a direct role in decision making at the ITU. Therefore being a sector member is not enough. As a sector member, you need to 'lobby' the member state to achieve your goal. The ITU seams to be more legitimate than ICANN because representatives at the ITU have to be appointed by a government and this is not like ICANN where anyone can be a member. We all know the power ultimately belongs to governments ( we have seen this from GDPR recently). Therefore the next stage for ICANN after joining as a sector member of the ITU is to know how to ''lobby'' the member state.
One of the major issue being discussed at the ITU is the legitimacy of ICANN and fragmentation of the internet. Some member states are beginning to agitate for ITU to carry out the function of ICANN and some of us believe doing this would lead to fragmenting the internet or a situation where governments would directly control the internet. This is exactly part of what the ICANN board saw and decided to be a sector member of the ITU and I believe this is the same reason why the Internet Society also joined as a sector member. Judith, (copied in this mail) Natalia Mochu, Nadira (copied in this mail) and Nigel Hickson are the other people whom I know that are familiar with these issues (as we have been together at ITU meetings)and you might want to also consult them. Therefore my question has a direct relationship to internet fragmentation and the ICANN strategic plan. The internet society has been using my suggested mechanism and to a large extent, it has been working. You can ask the 4 people I mentioned earlier.
Secondly, if you do not want this question to be asked today, I am ready to give it up because I am not yet fully on the ALAC and because it does not 100% fall into the remit of why NOMCOM appointed me unto the ALAC against the wish of some. Let me be clear, I was appointed by NOMCOM to ALAC for 2 reasons (1) to bring a different perspective to the ALAC and (2) To represent the African Community as these where two distinct criteria they wanted during the selection process. My argument above fulfils objective 1 of my appointment but it does not fulfil the second objective because some African government are the ones majorly pushing for the fragmentation of the internet at the level of the ITU by pushing for ITU to take over the role of ICANN. Hence why I am ready to give this up this time. Finally, I do not subscribe and totally reject the insinuation in the personal email Holly sent to me and copied you suggesting that I take instructions from Tijani. This was the email I first received and I believe that was why you followed up with another email (not sure). Let me be clear, I have my own mind, the capacity and capability to know what is wrong and what is right.
Thanks and Apologies for this long email.
Abdulkarim
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 10:24 PM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Abdulkarim
I want to give the predominance of time to the DNS Abuse that was given as the ALAC's choice of topic by the CPWG for discussion by the Board.
The Board asked for feedback on the strategic plan.. and Holly is going to talk about fragmentation, which was discussed during the session.
However I think Holly asked for a summary of your question which she is still waiting for because between you and her, the strategic plan topic has only been assigned 5 minutes between you. Marita and Ricardo also only have 5 mins.
Please send her the actual question and a short statement.
Maureen
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, 6:54 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE, < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Dear Maureen, You message is not clear are you saying this is a new issue or are you speaking generally? I seams a bit confused here. This is because my previous email is about the startegic plan which is part of the plan. Am I getting something wrong here? Thank you. Abdulkarim
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, 18:48 Maureen Hilyard, <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all With regards to the Board-ALAC meeting tomorrow, it is important we stick to the plan. We have already told them that we are going to make a comment about their strategic plan, financial operations plan and the multistakeholder model, AND THEN we are going to raise the DNS Abuse issue for them to respond to. We want to be able to have a decent discussion about this topic with them. They will have talked it to death with other sections of ICANN, but we will base on the end-user perspective.
Unfortunately we won't be able to add another topic. We've only got an hour with them.
M
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 4:15 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is the general overview of my proposed message to the Board on the strategic plan as requested by Tijani during the meeting.
This is in addition to Holly’s question to the board on the same topic.
The strategic plan of ICANN is quite rich, and We are glad it now includes issues under Geopolitics. We think it's a fantastic document: however, we hope more should be done in terms of having a strategy to engage members as appropriate.
For example, ICANN is now a sector member of the ITU because of the need to have a seat at the table where ICANN issues are being discussed within the context and remit of the ITU. Some Government representatives to ITU meetings come to ICANN meetings in representing a wide range of interest and there is a need to have a strategy to engage these people within the geopolitical theme of the strategy document as nothing can be archive as not a lot can be achieved by a sector member without the buy-in on member state.
Therefore, our view is that there should be a clear strategy to engage these people to harmonize views to promote the goal of ICANN and this should be more effective rather than an Ad-hoc discussion at the corridor.
-- *Dr. Abdulkarim A.Oloyede*. *B. Eng (BUK), M.Sc (York), PhD (York), R.Eng, A+* *Senior Lecturer, **Department of Telecommunications Science, University of Ilorin, Nigeria*
*Rutherford Commonwealth Postdoctoral Researcher In Wireless Telecommunications, University of York *
*Vice Chairman, Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG), **International Telecommunication Union (ITU) (2017-2021).* *Alternative Emails: olouss@yahoo.com <olouss@yahoo.com> OR aao500@york.ac.uk <aao500@york.ac.uk>*
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-- *Dr. Abdulkarim A.Oloyede*. *B. Eng (BUK), M.Sc (York), PhD (York), R.Eng, A+* *Senior Lecturer, **Department of Telecommunications Science, University of Ilorin, Nigeria* *Vice Chairman, Telecommunications Development Advisory Group (TDAG), **International Telecommunication Union (ITU).* *Alternative Emails: olouss@yahoo.com <olouss@yahoo.com> OR aao500@york.ac.uk <aao500@york.ac.uk>*
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participants (3)
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ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE -
Carlos Raul Gutierrez -
Maureen Hilyard