Closed generic statement [Suggested edits]
Dear ALAC, *The suggested changes is in BLUE.** * *Suggested Changes to the Draft Statement* In considering the matter of closed generic Top Level Domains (gTLDs), ICANN is guided by The Affirmation of Commitments (AoC) between the United States Department of Commerce (DOC) and ICANN clearly specify the promotion of competition, consumer trust and consumer choice.[1]<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCommentId=40931544_ftn1>It is also worth noting that there are several issues that surface with closed gTLDs and these include but are not limited to the following: 1. Would the endorsement of “Closed Generic” Applications create a situation or a series of situations whether now or in the future that will restrict competition? 2. Would the endorsement of “Closed Generic” Applications create a situation where there is a dominant position within the market? 3. Would the endorsement of the “Closed Generic” Applications create a restraint in trade of a particular market? 4. Would ICANN be immune from anti-trust liability? On 4th August 2012, a precedent was established in the *Manwin Licensing International S.A.R.L., et al. v. ICM Registry, LLC, et al *where the* *Honorable Philip S. Gutierrez, United States District Judge ruled that antitrust claims could be filed over .xxx. Under the *Sherman Act § 2, 15 U.S.C. § 2* *[2]*<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCommentId=40931544_ftn2>monopolizing trade is a felony. Under the circumstances where this trade involves foreign nations such as generic TLD applications that have been made by countries outside the US, then *Sherman Act § 7 (Foreign Trade Antitrust Improvements Act of 1982), 15 U.S.C. § 6a* will apply in relation to conduct involving trade or commerce with foreign nations. On the whole, the ALAC does not believe that unrestricted closed generics provide public benefit and would prefer that TLDs -- especially for strings representing categories -- were not allocated in a way that would lock out broad access to sub-domains. Some members of At-Large believe, on principle, that all closed generics are harmful to the public good. Others believe that, while not necessarily being beneficial to end users, closed gTLDs should be allowed as simply being consistent with existing practise for lower-level domains. Traditionally, the prohibition and control provisions laid out in competition rules basically aims to prevent cartelization and monopolization in markets for goods and services. Such developments in markets inevitably harm consumer welfare which competition rules aim to protect. On the same token, there are instances where some agreement may limit competition to allow for social and economic benefits to pass to the other. In order to ensure that such agreements with a net effect of increasing competition can be made, an exemption regime is regulated in competition law and agreements between undertakings in the same level (horizontal) and different levels (vertical) of the market may be left exempt from the prohibition of the competition rules under an exemption system, provided they are not cartel agreements which are, by nature, out of the scope of exemption. However, in developing this response to the Board's request, the ALAC found the issue to be far more nuanced than the above hard positions would suggest. There may be innovative business models that might allow a closed TLD to be in the public interest. An example might be a registry that makes 2nd level names available at no cost to anyone, but retains legal control over them. This is similar to the model used by Facebook and many blog hosting sites. Allowance should be made for applicants interested in widespread sub-domain distribution that do not require domain-name sales as a source of revenue, or for other forms of sub-domain allocation. Whether a generic-word string is used with its generic meaning or in some other context may also be relevant. The fictitious but famous computer manufacturer, Orange Computers Inc. using the TLD ".orange" might be acceptable, while the same string used as a closed TLD by a California Orange Growers Cooperative (and not allowing access to orange producers from Florida or Mediterranean and South American countries) might well be considered unacceptable. Allowing this nuanced approach would likely involve a case by case review of how a TLD will be used and how its sub-domains will be allocated. Moreover, it would require a contractual commitment to not change that model once the TLD is delegated. In summary, the ALAC believes that completely uncontrolled use of generic words as TLDs is not something that ICANN should be supporting. However, some instances of generic word TLDs could be both reasonable and have very strong benefits of just the sort that ICANN was seeking when the TLD space was opened. Such uses should not be excluded *a*s long as it can be established that they serve the public interest. ------------------------------ [1]<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCommentId=40931544_ftnref1>Clauses 3 and 9.3 of the Affirmation of Commitment between the United States Department of Commerce and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers Kind Regards, Sala
Hi Sala, This statement has been in the works for many months, one that seeks clarity and of which every word has been scrutinised. Not many hours ago Alan sent a version of statement marked "FINAL", having integrated numerous comments from at-large members. Sometime after that final version was posted, and having not participated in any previous development, you sent a submission that doubles the size of the statement. It restates issues of which the Board is painfully aware without changing the specific position of ALAC indicated in the original. While your effort is much appreciated, we are already many days behind our deadlines of having this ready for a vote. We don't have the luxury of time to integrate these elaborate comments at such a late date. As your comments don't propose modification or deletion of a single word of the existing analysis and conclusions, I hope you'll accept the final statement as-is, as staff prepares it for ratification. - Evan (via mobile) Dear ALAC, *The suggested changes is in BLUE.** * *Suggested Changes to the Draft Statement* In considering the matter of closed generic Top Level Domains (gTLDs), ICANN is guided by The Affirmation of Commitments (AoC) between the United States Department of Commerce (DOC) and ICANN clearly specify the promotion of competition, consumer trust and consumer choice.[1]< https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCom...
It is also worth noting that there are several issues that surface with closed gTLDs and these include but are not limited to the following:
1. Would the endorsement of “Closed Generic” Applications create a situation or a series of situations whether now or in the future that will restrict competition? 2. Would the endorsement of “Closed Generic” Applications create a situation where there is a dominant position within the market? 3. Would the endorsement of the “Closed Generic” Applications create a restraint in trade of a particular market? 4. Would ICANN be immune from anti-trust liability? On 4th August 2012, a precedent was established in the *Manwin Licensing International S.A.R.L., et al. v. ICM Registry, LLC, et al *where the* *Honorable Philip S. Gutierrez, United States District Judge ruled that antitrust claims could be filed over .xxx. Under the *Sherman Act § 2, 15 U.S.C. § 2* *[2]*< https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCom...
monopolizing trade is a felony. Under the circumstances where this trade involves foreign nations such as generic TLD applications that have been made by countries outside the US, then *Sherman Act § 7 (Foreign Trade Antitrust Improvements Act of 1982), 15 U.S.C. § 6a* will apply in relation to conduct involving trade or commerce with foreign nations.
On the whole, the ALAC does not believe that unrestricted closed generics provide public benefit and would prefer that TLDs -- especially for strings representing categories -- were not allocated in a way that would lock out broad access to sub-domains. Some members of At-Large believe, on principle, that all closed generics are harmful to the public good. Others believe that, while not necessarily being beneficial to end users, closed gTLDs should be allowed as simply being consistent with existing practise for lower-level domains. Traditionally, the prohibition and control provisions laid out in competition rules basically aims to prevent cartelization and monopolization in markets for goods and services. Such developments in markets inevitably harm consumer welfare which competition rules aim to protect. On the same token, there are instances where some agreement may limit competition to allow for social and economic benefits to pass to the other. In order to ensure that such agreements with a net effect of increasing competition can be made, an exemption regime is regulated in competition law and agreements between undertakings in the same level (horizontal) and different levels (vertical) of the market may be left exempt from the prohibition of the competition rules under an exemption system, provided they are not cartel agreements which are, by nature, out of the scope of exemption. However, in developing this response to the Board's request, the ALAC found the issue to be far more nuanced than the above hard positions would suggest. There may be innovative business models that might allow a closed TLD to be in the public interest. An example might be a registry that makes 2nd level names available at no cost to anyone, but retains legal control over them. This is similar to the model used by Facebook and many blog hosting sites. Allowance should be made for applicants interested in widespread sub-domain distribution that do not require domain-name sales as a source of revenue, or for other forms of sub-domain allocation. Whether a generic-word string is used with its generic meaning or in some other context may also be relevant. The fictitious but famous computer manufacturer, Orange Computers Inc. using the TLD ".orange" might be acceptable, while the same string used as a closed TLD by a California Orange Growers Cooperative (and not allowing access to orange producers from Florida or Mediterranean and South American countries) might well be considered unacceptable. Allowing this nuanced approach would likely involve a case by case review of how a TLD will be used and how its sub-domains will be allocated. Moreover, it would require a contractual commitment to not change that model once the TLD is delegated. In summary, the ALAC believes that completely uncontrolled use of generic words as TLDs is not something that ICANN should be supporting. However, some instances of generic word TLDs could be both reasonable and have very strong benefits of just the sort that ICANN was seeking when the TLD space was opened. Such uses should not be excluded *a*s long as it can be established that they serve the public interest. ------------------------------ [1]< https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCom...
Clauses 3 and 9.3 of the Affirmation of Commitment between the United States Department of Commerce and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
Kind Regards, Sala _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
Hi Evan, Just out of curiosity, when was the deadline for submitting comments for ALAC members or members of At Large on this particular matter? Kind Regards, Sala On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
Hi Sala,
This statement has been in the works for many months, one that seeks clarity and of which every word has been scrutinised. Not many hours ago Alan sent a version of statement marked "FINAL", having integrated numerous comments from at-large members.
Sometime after that final version was posted, and having not participated in any previous development, you sent a submission that doubles the size of the statement. It restates issues of which the Board is painfully aware without changing the specific position of ALAC indicated in the original.
While your effort is much appreciated, we are already many days behind our deadlines of having this ready for a vote. We don't have the luxury of time to integrate these elaborate comments at such a late date. As your comments don't propose modification or deletion of a single word of the existing analysis and conclusions, I hope you'll accept the final statement as-is, as staff prepares it for ratification.
- Evan (via mobile) Dear ALAC,
*The suggested changes is in BLUE.** *
*Suggested Changes to the Draft Statement*
In considering the matter of closed generic Top Level Domains (gTLDs), ICANN is guided by The Affirmation of Commitments (AoC) between the United States Department of Commerce (DOC) and ICANN clearly specify the promotion of competition, consumer trust and consumer choice.[1]< https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCom...
It
is also worth noting that there are several issues that surface with closed gTLDs and these include but are not limited to the following:
1. Would the endorsement of “Closed Generic” Applications create a
situation or a series of situations whether now or in the future that will restrict competition? 2. Would the endorsement of “Closed Generic” Applications create a
situation where there is a dominant position within the market? 3. Would the endorsement of the “Closed Generic” Applications create a
restraint in trade of a particular market? 4. Would ICANN be immune from anti-trust liability?
On 4th August 2012, a precedent was established in the *Manwin Licensing International S.A.R.L., et al. v. ICM Registry, LLC, et al *where the* *Honorable
Philip S. Gutierrez, United States District Judge ruled that antitrust claims could be filed over .xxx. Under the *Sherman Act § 2, 15 U.S.C. § 2* *[2]*< https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCom...
monopolizing
trade is a felony. Under the circumstances where this trade involves foreign nations such as generic TLD applications that have been made by countries outside the US, then *Sherman Act § 7 (Foreign Trade Antitrust Improvements Act of 1982), 15 U.S.C. § 6a* will apply in relation
to conduct involving trade or commerce with foreign nations.
On the whole, the ALAC does not believe that unrestricted closed generics provide public benefit and would prefer that TLDs -- especially for strings representing categories -- were not allocated in a way that would lock out broad access to sub-domains. Some members of At-Large believe, on principle, that all closed generics are harmful to the public good. Others believe that, while not necessarily being beneficial to end users, closed gTLDs should be allowed as simply being consistent with existing practise for lower-level domains.
Traditionally, the prohibition and control provisions laid out in competition rules basically aims to prevent cartelization and monopolization in markets for goods and services. Such developments in markets inevitably harm consumer welfare which competition rules aim to protect. On the same token, there are instances where some agreement may limit competition to allow for social and economic benefits to pass to the other. In order to ensure that such agreements with a net effect of increasing competition can be made, an exemption regime is regulated in competition law and agreements between undertakings in the same level (horizontal) and different levels (vertical) of the market may be left exempt from the prohibition of the competition rules under an exemption system, provided they are not cartel agreements which are, by nature, out of the scope of exemption.
However, in developing this response to the Board's request, the ALAC found the issue to be far more nuanced than the above hard positions would suggest. There may be innovative business models that might allow a closed TLD to be in the public interest. An example might be a registry that makes 2nd level names available at no cost to anyone, but retains legal control over them. This is similar to the model used by Facebook and many blog hosting sites. Allowance should be made for applicants interested in widespread sub-domain distribution that do not require domain-name sales as a source of revenue, or for other forms of sub-domain allocation.
Whether a generic-word string is used with its generic meaning or in some other context may also be relevant. The fictitious but famous computer manufacturer, Orange Computers Inc. using the TLD ".orange" might be acceptable, while the same string used as a closed TLD by a California Orange Growers Cooperative (and not allowing access to orange producers from Florida or Mediterranean and South American countries) might well be considered unacceptable.
Allowing this nuanced approach would likely involve a case by case review of how a TLD will be used and how its sub-domains will be allocated. Moreover, it would require a contractual commitment to not change that model once the TLD is delegated.
In summary, the ALAC believes that completely uncontrolled use of generic words as TLDs is not something that ICANN should be supporting. However, some instances of generic word TLDs could be both reasonable and have very strong benefits of just the sort that ICANN was seeking when the TLD space was opened. Such uses should not be excluded *a*s long as it can be
established that they serve the public interest.
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[1]< https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCom...
Clauses
3 and 9.3 of the Affirmation of Commitment between the United States Department of Commerce and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
Kind Regards, Sala _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
-- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851
Hi Sala, The hard deadline is next week, and we need the time to hold a vote and prepare the submission. http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/closed-generic-05feb13-en.htm - Evan (via mobile) On 2013-03-01 8:29 AM, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Evan,
Just out of curiosity, when was the deadline for submitting comments for ALAC members or members of At Large on this particular matter?
Kind Regards, Sala
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
Hi Sala,
This statement has been in the works for many months, one that seeks clarity and of which every word has been scrutinised. Not many hours ago Alan sent a version of statement marked "FINAL", having integrated numerous comments from at-large members.
Sometime after that final version was posted, and having not participated in any previous development, you sent a submission that doubles the size of the statement. It restates issues of which the Board is painfully aware without changing the specific position of ALAC indicated in the original.
While your effort is much appreciated, we are already many days behind our deadlines of having this ready for a vote. We don't have the luxury of time to integrate these elaborate comments at such a late date. As your comments don't propose modification or deletion of a single word of the existing analysis and conclusions, I hope you'll accept the final statement as-is, as staff prepares it for ratification.
- Evan (via mobile) Dear ALAC,
*The suggested changes is in BLUE.** *
*Suggested Changes to the Draft Statement*
In considering the matter of closed generic Top Level Domains (gTLDs), ICANN is guided by The Affirmation of Commitments (AoC) between the United States Department of Commerce (DOC) and ICANN clearly specify the promotion of competition, consumer trust and consumer choice.[1]< https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCom...
It
is also worth noting that there are several issues that surface with closed gTLDs and these include but are not limited to the following:
1. Would the endorsement of “Closed Generic” Applications create a
situation or a series of situations whether now or in the future that will restrict competition? 2. Would the endorsement of “Closed Generic” Applications create a
situation where there is a dominant position within the market? 3. Would the endorsement of the “Closed Generic” Applications create a
restraint in trade of a particular market? 4. Would ICANN be immune from anti-trust liability?
On 4th August 2012, a precedent was established in the *Manwin Licensing International S.A.R.L., et al. v. ICM Registry, LLC, et al *where the* *Honorable
Philip S. Gutierrez, United States District Judge ruled that antitrust claims could be filed over .xxx. Under the *Sherman Act § 2, 15 U.S.C. § 2* *[2]*< https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCom...
monopolizing
trade is a felony. Under the circumstances where this trade involves foreign nations such as generic TLD applications that have been made by countries outside the US, then *Sherman Act § 7 (Foreign Trade Antitrust Improvements Act of 1982), 15 U.S.C. § 6a* will apply in relation
to conduct involving trade or commerce with foreign nations.
On the whole, the ALAC does not believe that unrestricted closed generics provide public benefit and would prefer that TLDs -- especially for strings representing categories -- were not allocated in a way that would lock out broad access to sub-domains. Some members of At-Large believe, on principle, that all closed generics are harmful to the public good. Others believe that, while not necessarily being beneficial to end users, closed gTLDs should be allowed as simply being consistent with existing practise for lower-level domains.
Traditionally, the prohibition and control provisions laid out in competition rules basically aims to prevent cartelization and monopolization in markets for goods and services. Such developments in markets inevitably harm consumer welfare which competition rules aim to protect. On the same token, there are instances where some agreement may limit competition to allow for social and economic benefits to pass to the other. In order to ensure that such agreements with a net effect of increasing competition can be made, an exemption regime is regulated in competition law and agreements between undertakings in the same level (horizontal) and different levels (vertical) of the market may be left exempt from the prohibition of the competition rules under an exemption system, provided they are not cartel agreements which are, by nature, out of the scope of exemption.
However, in developing this response to the Board's request, the ALAC found the issue to be far more nuanced than the above hard positions would suggest. There may be innovative business models that might allow a closed TLD to be in the public interest. An example might be a registry that makes 2nd level names available at no cost to anyone, but retains legal control over them. This is similar to the model used by Facebook and many blog hosting sites. Allowance should be made for applicants interested in widespread sub-domain distribution that do not require domain-name sales as a source of revenue, or for other forms of sub-domain allocation.
Whether a generic-word string is used with its generic meaning or in some other context may also be relevant. The fictitious but famous computer manufacturer, Orange Computers Inc. using the TLD ".orange" might be acceptable, while the same string used as a closed TLD by a California Orange Growers Cooperative (and not allowing access to orange producers from Florida or Mediterranean and South American countries) might well be considered unacceptable.
Allowing this nuanced approach would likely involve a case by case review of how a TLD will be used and how its sub-domains will be allocated. Moreover, it would require a contractual commitment to not change that model once the TLD is delegated.
In summary, the ALAC believes that completely uncontrolled use of generic words as TLDs is not something that ICANN should be supporting. However, some instances of generic word TLDs could be both reasonable and have very strong benefits of just the sort that ICANN was seeking when the TLD space was opened. Such uses should not be excluded *a*s long as it can be
established that they serve the public interest.
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[1]< https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847&focusedCom...
Clauses
3 and 9.3 of the Affirmation of Commitment between the United States Department of Commerce and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
Kind Regards, Sala _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
-- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji
Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851
Dear Sala, On 01/03/2013 14:29, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Just out of curiosity, when was the deadline for submitting comments for ALAC members or members of At Large on this particular matter?
The schedule which we had originally set is actually in the table at the top of the WIKI page: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847 You'll note that Vote opening was supposed to take place on 27 Feb (which means an end to any more comments) but due to the extensive discussions and the length Alan went to try and include everyone's point of view, we are 2 days late. Matt has the green light to start the vote today, 1 March, and close it on 6 March (5 days / 3 working days only, which is the absolute minimum), just in time for a submission of the statement to the process on 7 March. Speaking to Board member Cherine Chalaby earlier this week, I was told that there is no possibility to ask for an extension as the Board new GTLD Committee which he Chairs will meet the week after and Staff needs to collate all comments in 3 or 4 days. So everything is really under a very tight schedule. The call for comments was open since 5 February, so it is a pity that you were only able to contribute now and of course, we're all in the same boat, having other commitments too outside ICANN, but unfortunately, because of the tight time-line, once a statement is frozen, it is frozen. Kindest regards, Olivier
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>wrote:
Dear Sala,
On 01/03/2013 14:29, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Just out of curiosity, when was the deadline for submitting comments for ALAC members or members of At Large on this particular matter?
The schedule which we had originally set is actually in the table at the top of the WIKI page: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40927847
You'll note that Vote opening was supposed to take place on 27 Feb (which means an end to any more comments) but due to the extensive discussions and the length Alan went to try and include everyone's point of view, we are 2 days late. Matt has the green light to start the vote today, 1 March, and close it on 6 March (5 days / 3 working days only, which is the absolute minimum), just in time for a submission of the statement to the process on 7 March. Speaking to Board member Cherine Chalaby earlier this week, I was told that there is no possibility to ask for an extension as the Board new GTLD Committee which he Chairs will meet the week after and Staff needs to collate all comments in 3 or 4 days. So everything is really under a very tight schedule. The call for comments was open since 5 February, so it is a pity that you were only able to contribute now and of course, we're all in the same boat, having other commitments too outside ICANN, but unfortunately, because of the tight time-line, once a statement is frozen, it is frozen.
Thanks Olivier, well and truly noted.
Kindest regards,
Olivier
-- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851
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Evan Leibovitch -
Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond -
Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro