Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into. The deadline is the start of next week. Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
Thank you, Alan - apologies for not following up earlier. I just read the ‘documentation used last year’. Your message suggests to me that some NomCom selected ALAC members have not done well because our ex ante requirements might not have been clear/specific enough for the NomCom to make the right selection. Which would then be a reason to review these requirements. The requirements with regard to selection of candidates in the 2017 doc you attached in itself seem fine with me: I was not part of the procedures so I cannot judge whether the framing of the requirements led to selection of underperforming ALAC members, whether NomCom selected the wrong candidates because of not using good requirements properly, of whether candidates fitted the requirements (i.e. doc is fine and NonCom made a good selection) but that some of them just did not live up to expectations. (If the latter is the case then we should try to learn from that IMO. Which would mean looking at individuals and how/why they (under) performed during their term. Then we would be looking more at the ‘responsibilities’ of an ALAC member as opposed to the requirements for the NomCom to select one) Anyway. Happy to be part a a drafting team if that helps, -Bastiaan
On 5 Dec 2017, at 05:14, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan <NomCom_ALAC-2017.docx><NomCom_ALAC-2017.pdf>_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
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Thanks Bastiaan. Recent NomCom appointments have been much better than those in the past. Which is good. These documents have not been revised in several years, and last time there was very little input received. So it was time to look at it again. Among the things I think need strengthening now are more explicit reference to us looking after users, and the need to be a self-starter, since those are the people who have tended to be more productive when coming onto the ALAC. Alan At 05/12/2017 02:09 AM, Bastiaan Goslings wrote:
Thank you, Alan - apologies for not following up earlier.
I just read the âdocumentation used last yearâ. Your message suggests to me that some NomCom selected ALAC members have not done well because our ex ante requirements might not have been clear/specific enough for the NomCom to make the right selection. Which would then be a reason to review these requirements.
The requirements with regard to selection of candidates in the 2017 doc you attached in itself seem fine with me: I was not part of the procedures so I cannot judge whether the framing of the requirements led to selection of underperforming ALAC members, whether NomCom selected the wrong candidates because of not using good requirements properly, of whether candidates fitted the requirements (i.e. doc is fine and NonCom made a good selection) but that some of them just did not live up to expectations.
(If the latter is the case then we should try to learn from that IMO. Which would mean looking at individuals and how/why they (under) performed during their term. Then we would be looking more at the âresponsibilitiesâ of an ALAC member as opposed to the requirements for the NomCom to select one)
Anyway. Happy to be part a a drafting team if that helps,
-Bastiaan
On 5 Dec 2017, at 05:14, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Hi Colleagues, I agree with Alan, indeed it is important for the appointees to demonstrate that they are users and equally that they have the interests of users at heart through past activities that demonstrates their involvement in championing users agenda. Regards On 12/6/17, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Bastiaan.
Recent NomCom appointments have been much better than those in the past. Which is good.
These documents have not been revised in several years, and last time there was very little input received. So it was time to look at it again.
Among the things I think need strengthening now are more explicit reference to us looking after users, and the need to be a self-starter, since those are the people who have tended to be more productive when coming onto the ALAC.
Alan
At 05/12/2017 02:09 AM, Bastiaan Goslings wrote:
Thank you, Alan - apologies for not following up earlier.
I just read the ‘documentation used last year’. Your message suggests to me that some NomCom selected ALAC members have not done well because our ex ante requirements might not have been clear/specific enough for the NomCom to make the right selection. Which would then be a reason to review these requirements.
The requirements with regard to selection of candidates in the 2017 doc you attached in itself seem fine with me: I was not part of the procedures so I cannot judge whether the framing of the requirements led to selection of underperforming ALAC members, whether NomCom selected the wrong candidates because of not using good requirements properly, of whether candidates fitted the requirements (i.e. doc is fine and NonCom made a good selection) but that some of them just did not live up to expectations.
(If the latter is the case then we should try to learn from that IMO. Which would mean looking at individuals and how/why they (under) performed during their term. Then we would be looking more at the ‘responsibilities’ of an ALAC member as opposed to the requirements for the NomCom to select one)
Anyway. Happy to be part a a drafting team if that helps,
-Bastiaan
On 5 Dec 2017, at 05:14, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Dear Alan, - "... NomCom is seeking individuals of integrity, objectivity and intelligence ..." perform intelligence tests? - "the following knowledge, qualities and experiences are specifically sought:". All this knowledge is required or is there some minimum basis? - "Basic knowledge of the DNS." Basic knowledge is not enough, and the clarification does not clarify ... - The number of hours of dedication, is not considering the hours of preparation of the meetings or the topics to be discussed in the WG. Regards Alberto -----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into. The deadline is the start of next week. Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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I'll also volunteer. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, 7:41 AM Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
Dear Alan, - "... NomCom is seeking individuals of integrity, objectivity and intelligence ..." perform intelligence tests?
- "the following knowledge, qualities and experiences are specifically sought:". All this knowledge is required or is there some minimum basis? - "Basic knowledge of the DNS." Basic knowledge is not enough, and the clarification does not clarify ... - The number of hours of dedication, is not considering the hours of preparation of the meetings or the topics to be discussed in the WG.
Regards
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Folks I”m not volunteering for this job - too much on my plate at the moment. But my first question is to Alan. Your statement includes the comment that some of the appointees by the NomCom have been a disappointment. My question is how - not putting in the hours, not being able to contribute to policy discussions, not representing their regional areas???? And maybe also look at who do you (and others) consider as a success story - and why. Then come up with a list of essentials: knowledge of the DNS, ability to work in the English language, ability to put in the time - whatever. And we also need to recognise that our strength comes from the fact that, amongst our team, we have people with different skill sets - a strength, not a weakness. The current criteria in the document includes a lot of qualities/skills. We should be asking ourselves which are the most important - to guide in selecting the three people? Looking at the listed criteria below, I think we are looking for someone with knowledge/experience in DNS/ICANN involvement in policy consumer/public interest advocacy leadership/governance knowledge/experience in local/regional issues And critically: a willingness to serve as a volunteer, without compensation other than the reimbursement of certain expenses an ability to work and communicate effectively in English (although there is no requirement that English be the candidate's first language) Just my two cents - but whatever the small group decides - it will be really helpful to any selection committee to be very clear about what are the really important skills/experience/ability being sought (and the current list doesn’t do that) Holly
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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In short, if you look back at the list of NomCom appointees, you will find quite a few who did very little during their two years but come to meetings. Little contribution, little involvement in any of our activities, etc. If you look at the history of those appointed by the NomCom more than once, you find very few people. Some went on to other things in ICANN. Others either chose not to continue, or reapplied and were not selected. So the challenge is to try to attract people who can be recognized by the NomCom as people who will become involved. Alan At 05/12/2017 04:41 PM, Holly Raiche wrote:
Folks
Im not volunteering for this job - too much on my plate at the moment. But my first question is to Alan. Your statement includes the comment that some of the appointees by the NomCom have been a disappointment. My question is how - not putting in the hours, not being able to contribute to policy discussions, not representing their regional areas???? And maybe also look at who do you (and others) consider as a success story - and why. Then come up with a list of essentials: knowledge of the DNS, ability to work in the English language, ability to put in the time - whatever. And we also need to recognise that our strength comes from the fact that, amongst our team, we have people with different skill sets - a strength, not a weakness.
The current criteria in the document includes a lot of qualities/skills. We should be asking ourselves which are the most important - to guide in selecting the three people? Looking at the listed criteria below, I think we are looking for someone with knowledge/experience in * DNS/ICANN * involvement in policy * consumer/public interest advocacy * leadership/governance * knowledge/experience in local/regional issues And critically: * a willingness to serve as a volunteer, without compensation other than the reimbursement of certain expenses * an ability to work and communicate effectively in English (although there is no requirement that English be the candidate's first language) Just my two cents - but whatever the small group decides - it will be really helpful to any selection committee to be very clear about what are the really important skills/experience/ability being sought (and the current list doesnt do that)
Holly
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [<mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Though the focus here is in recommendations to NomCom I believe we need to have relevant points also to send to RALOS in order to have adequate members working What I have seen during my 4 years inside NOMCOM was not always positive - some ALAC ( as well as other representatives too) were not the most adequate people for the position- Some premises are important: Knowledge of ICANN and the responsibilities and scope of each AC/ SO is relevant but other related to personality are also relevant : for instance: facility to work in group without trying to be the star ; research behavior to understand how to find not so clear information about a person; attention (dispersive persons are disruptive for the group) Facility to follow discussions in English (someone nearby has double task explaining each step); Listen person ;flexible personally to accept opposition without problem I also would like to suggest a kind of Process before the work to start to be organize by ALAC : Normally the person selected from each ralo does not know others from other ralos - A previous call among the 5 selected by each ralo and approved will help them to discuss relevant points from ALAC demand at the time, and can help them to better explain ALAC requisites to the entire NomCom group My first thoughts Vanda Scartezini Sent from my iPhone Sorry for typos
On 5 Dec 2017, at 11:41, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
Dear Alan, - "... NomCom is seeking individuals of integrity, objectivity and intelligence ..." perform intelligence tests?
- "the following knowledge, qualities and experiences are specifically sought:". All this knowledge is required or is there some minimum basis? - "Basic knowledge of the DNS." Basic knowledge is not enough, and the clarification does not clarify ... - The number of hours of dedication, is not considering the hours of preparation of the meetings or the topics to be discussed in the WG.
Regards
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Thanks Vanda The more insight into what we are looking for (or not) the better Holly On 6 Dec 2017, at 9:53 am, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote:
Though the focus here is in recommendations to NomCom I believe we need to have relevant points also to send to RALOS in order to have adequate members working
What I have seen during my 4 years inside NOMCOM was not always positive - some ALAC ( as well as other representatives too) were not the most adequate people for the position- Some premises are important: Knowledge of ICANN and the responsibilities and scope of each AC/ SO is relevant but other related to personality are also relevant : for instance: facility to work in group without trying to be the star ; research behavior to understand how to find not so clear information about a person; attention (dispersive persons are disruptive for the group) Facility to follow discussions in English (someone nearby has double task explaining each step); Listen person ;flexible personally to accept opposition without problem I also would like to suggest a kind of Process before the work to start to be organize by ALAC : Normally the person selected from each ralo does not know others from other ralos - A previous call among the 5 selected by each ralo and approved will help them to discuss relevant points from ALAC demand at the time, and can help them to better explain ALAC requisites to the entire NomCom group
My first thoughts
Vanda Scartezini Sent from my iPhone Sorry for typos
On 5 Dec 2017, at 11:41, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
Dear Alan, - "... NomCom is seeking individuals of integrity, objectivity and intelligence ..." perform intelligence tests?
- "the following knowledge, qualities and experiences are specifically sought:". All this knowledge is required or is there some minimum basis? - "Basic knowledge of the DNS." Basic knowledge is not enough, and the clarification does not clarify ... - The number of hours of dedication, is not considering the hours of preparation of the meetings or the topics to be discussed in the WG.
Regards
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Alberto, on the number of hours, we do say that if you participate in WG, the number is larger. But what number would you put (remembering we do not want to scare everyone!)? Alan At 05/12/2017 08:41 AM, Alberto Soto wrote:
Dear Alan, - "... NomCom is seeking individuals of integrity, objectivity and intelligence ..." perform intelligence tests?
- "the following knowledge, qualities and experiences are specifically sought:". All this knowledge is required or is there some minimum basis? - "Basic knowledge of the DNS." Basic knowledge is not enough, and the clarification does not clarify ... - The number of hours of dedication, is not considering the hours of preparation of the meetings or the topics to be discussed in the WG.
Regards
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Okay. Considering: - ALAC Monthly: 2hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - RALO Monthly: 2 hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - Webinar Capacity Building: 1,30 hs - Webinar RALO: 1,30 hs. - RALO leaders meeting: 1 hour - A WG: 4 hours - 6/8 hours reading documentation - Attention mailing lists; 4 hs. ?? Total 26/28 monthly hours Any of us is in more than one working group ....... In the last ALAC monthly meeting there were about seven pdf to read, some with nine pages and one of 267 pages. Best Alberto -----Mensaje original----- De: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 09:48 p.m. Para: Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org>; 'ALAC' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: RE: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members Alberto, on the number of hours, we do say that if you participate in WG, the number is larger. But what number would you put (remembering we do not want to scare everyone!)? Alan At 05/12/2017 08:41 AM, Alberto Soto wrote:
Dear Alan, - "... NomCom is seeking individuals of integrity, objectivity and intelligence ..." perform intelligence tests?
- "the following knowledge, qualities and experiences are specifically sought:". All this knowledge is required or is there some minimum basis? - "Basic knowledge of the DNS." Basic knowledge is not enough, and the clarification does not clarify ... - The number of hours of dedication, is not considering the hours of preparation of the meetings or the topics to be discussed in the WG.
Regards
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Thanks, Alberto! Interesting: no policy related eg CCWG/PDP work at all? And only an hour of ‘attention malinglists’ on a weekly basis? I must be doing something wrong, I spend way more time on those topics... ;-) Bastiaan -- Envoyé de mon iPhone
On 6 Dec 2017, at 16:30, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
Okay. Considering: - ALAC Monthly: 2hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - RALO Monthly: 2 hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - Webinar Capacity Building: 1,30 hs - Webinar RALO: 1,30 hs. - RALO leaders meeting: 1 hour - A WG: 4 hours - 6/8 hours reading documentation - Attention mailing lists; 4 hs. ??
Total 26/28 monthly hours
Any of us is in more than one working group ....... In the last ALAC monthly meeting there were about seven pdf to read, some with nine pages and one of 267 pages.
Best
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 09:48 p.m. Para: Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org>; 'ALAC' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: RE: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
Alberto, on the number of hours, we do say that if you participate in WG, the number is larger. But what number would you put (remembering we do not want to scare everyone!)?
Alan
At 05/12/2017 08:41 AM, Alberto Soto wrote:
Dear Alan, - "... NomCom is seeking individuals of integrity, objectivity and intelligence ..." perform intelligence tests?
- "the following knowledge, qualities and experiences are specifically sought:". All this knowledge is required or is there some minimum basis? - "Basic knowledge of the DNS." Basic knowledge is not enough, and the clarification does not clarify ... - The number of hours of dedication, is not considering the hours of preparation of the meetings or the topics to be discussed in the WG.
Regards
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Hi Bastiaan, Me too, which is why I came up with 30-40 hours a month Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 12/6/2017 10:45 AM, Bastiaan Goslings wrote:
Thanks, Alberto!
Interesting: no policy related eg CCWG/PDP work at all? And only an hour of ‘attention malinglists’ on a weekly basis?
I must be doing something wrong, I spend way more time on those topics... ;-)
Bastiaan
-- Envoyé de mon iPhone
On 6 Dec 2017, at 16:30, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
Okay. Considering: - ALAC Monthly: 2hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - RALO Monthly: 2 hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - Webinar Capacity Building: 1,30 hs - Webinar RALO: 1,30 hs. - RALO leaders meeting: 1 hour - A WG: 4 hours - 6/8 hours reading documentation - Attention mailing lists; 4 hs. ??
Total 26/28 monthly hours
Any of us is in more than one working group ....... In the last ALAC monthly meeting there were about seven pdf to read, some with nine pages and one of 267 pages.
Best
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 09:48 p.m. Para: Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org>; 'ALAC' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: RE: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
Alberto, on the number of hours, we do say that if you participate in WG, the number is larger. But what number would you put (remembering we do not want to scare everyone!)?
Alan
At 05/12/2017 08:41 AM, Alberto Soto wrote:
Dear Alan, - "... NomCom is seeking individuals of integrity, objectivity and intelligence ..." perform intelligence tests?
- "the following knowledge, qualities and experiences are specifically sought:". All this knowledge is required or is there some minimum basis? - "Basic knowledge of the DNS." Basic knowledge is not enough, and the clarification does not clarify ... - The number of hours of dedication, is not considering the hours of preparation of the meetings or the topics to be discussed in the WG.
Regards
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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I put question marks in the amount of hours for emails. I have a lot more than that .... Alberto -----Mensaje original----- De: Bastiaan Goslings [mailto:bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net] Enviado el: miércoles, 06 de diciembre de 2017 12:45 p.m. Para: Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> CC: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>; ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members Thanks, Alberto! Interesting: no policy related eg CCWG/PDP work at all? And only an hour of ‘attention malinglists’ on a weekly basis? I must be doing something wrong, I spend way more time on those topics... ;-) Bastiaan -- Envoyé de mon iPhone
On 6 Dec 2017, at 16:30, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
Okay. Considering: - ALAC Monthly: 2hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - RALO Monthly: 2 hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - Webinar Capacity Building: 1,30 hs - Webinar RALO: 1,30 hs. - RALO leaders meeting: 1 hour - A WG: 4 hours - 6/8 hours reading documentation - Attention mailing lists; 4 hs. ??
Total 26/28 monthly hours
Any of us is in more than one working group ....... In the last ALAC monthly meeting there were about seven pdf to read, some with nine pages and one of 267 pages.
Best
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 09:48 p.m. Para: Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org>; 'ALAC' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: RE: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
Alberto, on the number of hours, we do say that if you participate in WG, the number is larger. But what number would you put (remembering we do not want to scare everyone!)?
Alan
At 05/12/2017 08:41 AM, Alberto Soto wrote:
Dear Alan, - "... NomCom is seeking individuals of integrity, objectivity and intelligence ..." perform intelligence tests?
- "the following knowledge, qualities and experiences are specifically sought:". All this knowledge is required or is there some minimum basis? - "Basic knowledge of the DNS." Basic knowledge is not enough, and the clarification does not clarify ... - The number of hours of dedication, is not considering the hours of preparation of the meetings or the topics to be discussed in the WG.
Regards
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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+1 Alberto I can spend 4 hours a day (at least) reading and respondng to emails and materials that come through for ALAC and the various WGs, not counting hours that our ALAC members contribute to the planning and activities of our RALO organisations and outreach which is an ongoing commitment of time On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:30 AM, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
Okay. Considering: - ALAC Monthly: 2hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - RALO Monthly: 2 hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - Webinar Capacity Building: 1,30 hs - Webinar RALO: 1,30 hs. - RALO leaders meeting: 1 hour - A WG: 4 hours - 6/8 hours reading documentation - Attention mailing lists; 4 hs. ??
Total 26/28 monthly hours
Any of us is in more than one working group ....... In the last ALAC monthly meeting there were about seven pdf to read, some with nine pages and one of 267 pages.
Best
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 09:48 p.m. Para: Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org>; 'ALAC' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: RE: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
Alberto, on the number of hours, we do say that if you participate in WG, the number is larger. But what number would you put (remembering we do not want to scare everyone!)?
Alan
At 05/12/2017 08:41 AM, Alberto Soto wrote:
Dear Alan, - "... NomCom is seeking individuals of integrity, objectivity and intelligence ..." perform intelligence tests?
- "the following knowledge, qualities and experiences are specifically sought:". All this knowledge is required or is there some minimum basis? - "Basic knowledge of the DNS." Basic knowledge is not enough, and the clarification does not clarify ... - The number of hours of dedication, is not considering the hours of preparation of the meetings or the topics to be discussed in the WG.
Regards
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Good to have again someone making notes on hours spent with ICANN. Thanks Alberto. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 13:54 To: Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> Cc: 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members +1 Alberto I can spend 4 hours a day (at least) reading and respondng to emails and materials that come through for ALAC and the various WGs, not counting hours that our ALAC members contribute to the planning and activities of our RALO organisations and outreach which is an ongoing commitment of time On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:30 AM, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>> wrote: Okay. Considering: - ALAC Monthly: 2hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - RALO Monthly: 2 hs + 2 hs agenda preparation - Webinar Capacity Building: 1,30 hs - Webinar RALO: 1,30 hs. - RALO leaders meeting: 1 hour - A WG: 4 hours - 6/8 hours reading documentation - Attention mailing lists; 4 hs. ?? Total 26/28 monthly hours Any of us is in more than one working group ....... In the last ALAC monthly meeting there were about seven pdf to read, some with nine pages and one of 267 pages. Best Alberto -----Mensaje original----- De: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>] Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 09:48 p.m. Para: Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>>; 'ALAC' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Asunto: RE: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members Alberto, on the number of hours, we do say that if you participate in WG, the number is larger. But what number would you put (remembering we do not want to scare everyone!)? Alan At 05/12/2017 08:41 AM, Alberto Soto wrote:
Dear Alan, - "... NomCom is seeking individuals of integrity, objectivity and intelligence ..." perform intelligence tests?
- "the following knowledge, qualities and experiences are specifically sought:". All this knowledge is required or is there some minimum basis? - "Basic knowledge of the DNS." Basic knowledge is not enough, and the clarification does not clarify ... - The number of hours of dedication, is not considering the hours of preparation of the meetings or the topics to be discussed in the WG.
Regards
Alberto
-----Mensaje original----- De: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] En nombre de Alan Greenberg Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 01:15 a.m. Para: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Asunto: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Dec 5, 2017 3:18 PM, "Judith Hellerstein" <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote: HI Alan, I think the hours of volunteer effort you mention are on the short side. Instead of 25-30 a month, I would say 35-45 hours a month is more realistic. SO: I will suggest we leave it at 25-30 am sure if we truly get that much in a month from everyone it will make great difference. Otherwise I think it is fine. One question, do we require them to be either an individual member of At Large or a member of the ALS or if not a member than to join as one. SO: I think making such requirement will "somewhat" defeat the essence of having a nomcom selected ALAC. Regards Best, Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 <https://maps.google.com/?q=3001+Veazey+Terrace+NW,+Washington+DC+20008&entry...> Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 <+1%20202-333-6517> E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 12/4/2017 11:14 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote: I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into. The deadline is the start of next week. Alan Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not. The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight. I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions. Alan _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing listALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+ Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)
Judith, there is no such requirement. They are free agents and deliberately so. To the extent that they wish to get involved once they are appointed, that is a different question. Alan At 05/12/2017 09:18 AM, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
HI Alan,
I think the hours of volunteer effort you mention are on the short side. Instead of 25-30 a month, I would say 35-45 hours a month is more realistic.
Otherwise I think it is fine. One question, do we require them to be either an individual member of At Large or a member of the ALS or if not a member than to join as one.
Best,
Judith
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On 12/4/2017 11:14 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org><alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca><alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Good day Alan, other than the regions to be selected and the starting times I don't see much to add. Most of the additional hours are mentioned as the hours needed to represent ALAC in the different Working Groups (maybe it is worth mentioning an additional 5-8 hours each). I am not sure if we can have two ALAC members from the same country. When I was elected there was another Venezuelan as ALAC member, but his term will end before mine begin. Finally, I am not aware if we have enough candidates to choose. Adding requisites will not even make that easier. Best Ricardo Holmquist 2017-12-04 23:14 GMT-05:00 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>:
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400
To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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Dear Alan, all, Under this thread heading, two related but separate issues have been discussed: 1) The quality of people proposed by the RALO’s as ALAC delegates in the NomCom and 2) the choices made by NomCom for ALAC.
From my NomCom experience 2011-2016, I can say that, by and large, RALO choices for NomCom delegates were well qualified for their duty. I don’t recall cases where a RALO would have sent inexperienced people to the NomCom.
In many ways (confidentiality, increasing collegiality during the cycle) NomCom differs from other cross-community environments. New NomCom members from the ALAC might benefit from mentoring by those who have been there before, as far as processes and tactics are concerned. But once they are on the NomCom, nobody – not even their “home organization” - should try to influence their choices. That’s at least my reading of what the independence of the NomCom means. But when it comes to NomCom selections for ALAC, the five ALAC delegates have no special mandate or influence. These decisions, like others, are collectively made by the NomCom, and don’t always fall the way the ALAC delegates would like to see them happen. Thus, ALAC delegates should not necessarily be blamed for bad decisions. One of the the problems is that selections for the Board are the main focus of the NomCom. Less attention and time is given to the SO/AC selections. Sometimes candidates, who just failed to make it to the Board, might be put on SO/AC slots without regard to their special requirements. Not exactly as consolation prizes...sometimes in the hope that they would grow and graduate in the Board role, their first choice... That is why a set of requirements for NomCom appointed ALAC members is an excellent idea. Details don't matter too much, because in the end, the NomCom is pretty free to select what criteria to apply. When I was the NomCom Chair, ALAC leadership used to tell me that they want, most of all, people who are not afraid to work, ie., to actually write drafts for ALAC statements. Perhaps this could also be reflected in the written requirements. Best, Yrjö ________________________________ From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 6:14 AM To: ALAC Subject: [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into. The deadline is the start of next week. Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
From someone who knows... Thank you Yrjo
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Yrjö Länsipuro <yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Alan, all,
Under this thread heading, two related but separate issues have been discussed: 1) The quality of people proposed by the RALO’s as ALAC delegates in the NomCom and 2) the choices made by NomCom for ALAC.
From my NomCom experience 2011-2016, I can say that, by and large, RALO choices for NomCom delegates were well qualified for their duty. I don’t recall cases where a RALO would have sent inexperienced people to the NomCom.
In many ways (confidentiality, increasing collegiality during the cycle) NomCom differs from other cross-community environments. New NomCom members from the ALAC might benefit from mentoring by those who have been there before, as far as processes and tactics are concerned. But once they are on the NomCom, nobody – not even their “home organization” - should try to influence their choices. That’s at least my reading of what the independence of the NomCom means.
But when it comes to NomCom selections for ALAC, the five ALAC delegates have no special mandate or influence. These decisions, like others, are collectively made by the NomCom, and don’t always fall the way the ALAC delegates would like to see them happen. Thus, ALAC delegates should not necessarily be blamed for bad decisions.
One of the the problems is that selections for the Board are the main focus of the NomCom. Less attention and time is given to the SO/AC selections. Sometimes candidates, who just failed to make it to the Board, might be put on SO/AC slots without regard to their special requirements. Not exactly as consolation prizes...sometimes in the hope that they would grow and graduate in the Board role, their first choice... That is why a set of requirements for NomCom appointed ALAC members is an excellent idea. Details don't matter too much, because in the end, the NomCom is pretty free to select what criteria to apply.
When I was the NomCom Chair, ALAC leadership used to tell me that they want, most of all, people who are not afraid to work, ie., to actually write drafts for ALAC statements. Perhaps this could also be reflected in the written requirements.
Best,
Yrjö
------------------------------ *From:* ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 6:14 AM *To:* ALAC *Subject:* [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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I fully endorse what Yrjö has pointed out. ALAC representatives to the NomCom have generally been able to perform well (considering the various workload-related and other constraints). Evaluation of the performance of each NomCom member is publicly available in case the sending AC/SOs want to track/monitor it. The performance of NomCom appointees is quite another thing. As already pointed out, no individual member of the NomCom has any special influence over the selection process. The performance of NomCom appointees would, therefore, be a metric for the NomCom as a whole. satish On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 12:38 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
From someone who knows... Thank you Yrjo
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Yrjö Länsipuro <yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com
wrote:
Dear Alan, all,
Under this thread heading, two related but separate issues have been discussed: 1) The quality of people proposed by the RALO’s as ALAC delegates in the NomCom and 2) the choices made by NomCom for ALAC.
From my NomCom experience 2011-2016, I can say that, by and large, RALO choices for NomCom delegates were well qualified for their duty. I don’t recall cases where a RALO would have sent inexperienced people to the NomCom.
In many ways (confidentiality, increasing collegiality during the cycle) NomCom differs from other cross-community environments. New NomCom members from the ALAC might benefit from mentoring by those who have been there before, as far as processes and tactics are concerned. But once they are on the NomCom, nobody – not even their “home organization” - should try to influence their choices. That’s at least my reading of what the independence of the NomCom means.
But when it comes to NomCom selections for ALAC, the five ALAC delegates have no special mandate or influence. These decisions, like others, are collectively made by the NomCom, and don’t always fall the way the ALAC delegates would like to see them happen. Thus, ALAC delegates should not necessarily be blamed for bad decisions.
One of the the problems is that selections for the Board are the main focus of the NomCom. Less attention and time is given to the SO/AC selections. Sometimes candidates, who just failed to make it to the Board, might be put on SO/AC slots without regard to their special requirements. Not exactly as consolation prizes...sometimes in the hope that they would grow and graduate in the Board role, their first choice... That is why a set of requirements for NomCom appointed ALAC members is an excellent idea. Details don't matter too much, because in the end, the NomCom is pretty free to select what criteria to apply.
When I was the NomCom Chair, ALAC leadership used to tell me that they want, most of all, people who are not afraid to work, ie., to actually write drafts for ALAC statements. Perhaps this could also be reflected in the written requirements.
Best,
Yrjö
------------------------------ *From:* ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 6:14 AM *To:* ALAC *Subject:* [ALAC] Fwd: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
I have received nothing so far in reply to this message. I will be reaching out to a few people to help me adjust these documents, but all input is welcome to try to ensure that applicants know what they are getting themselves into.
The deadline is the start of next week.
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:15:48 -0400 To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: NomCom selection of ALAC Members
The NomCom selects five ALAC members and over the years, some have done well and others not.
The documentation used in the last year is attached. I am asking whether there is still time to revise it for the coming year. I suspect that if the answer is yes, time will be tight.
I am interested in putting together a very small drafting team to consider such revisions.
Alan
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participants (13)
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Alan Greenberg -
Alberto Soto -
Barrack Otieno -
Bastiaan Goslings -
Holly Raiche -
John Laprise -
Judith Hellerstein -
Maureen Hilyard -
Ricardo Holmquist -
Satish Babu -
Seun Ojedeji -
Vanda Scartezini -
Yrjö Länsipuro