At 08/10/2013 04:41 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:

On 8 October 2013 16:37, Carlton Samuels <<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote: Birthed at last! Huge credit accrue to you, the midwife, sir!

That's a mental picture that may give me nightmares.

Still, congratulations to making this happen!

- Evan

Did make me cringe a bit as well. But if you have ever watched (or helped with) a calf being extracted from its mother using ropes and chains tied to its legs, and the occasional reaching in to "adjust" things, I have to admit that there WERE similarities. For those who have not had the "pleasure", see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ambH1xdKyjY and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAis74df-n0. Alan (For those sensitive souls on this list, sorry for such a graphic post.)