Re: [ALAC] Rules of Procedure (RoP) re-write
Alan: thank you for your advice. Yes, you have a point , my motion is definitly to stop the re-write the ROP, because we don´t know, because we didn`t vote FIRST if we want an Ex Com, because we don´t know, what exactly means, and what Ex Com will do, and what will be their obligations and faculties. So my motion is : stop re-write the ROP and, ask and vote if Ex Com is needed. Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:06:48 -0500 To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org From: alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca Subject: RE: [ALAC] Rules of Procedure (RoP) re-write Carlos, at this point, the ALAC has voted for the creation and in that motion, instructed that more details rules be created. As Rapporteur, I am trying to follow those instructions. I also stated in my work plan that an overall RoP re-write was in my plan, and I had no objections raised to that. So I am trying to do that job. I note that the ExCom issue is a SMALL part of the overall RoP. If you feel that the ALAC should take some other immediate action (either to stop the re-write or abolish the ExCom with details on exactly what that means), I suggest that as an ALAC member, you make a motion to that effect. Alan At 19/02/2009 07:04 AM, carlos aguirre wrote: Dear Alan. Before talk about ROP changes, is neccessary as I said in last november, to decide first if Ex Com is a good idea. I think particularly to impose "de facto" a new body, with only a few ALAC members deciding for all of us, and in charge to decide what issues are urgent or important is not a democratic way to stablish something like that. But, I repeat, first of all is not legaly, because are not into ROP, and because was not voted the necessity of it creation. my best Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:57:53 -0500 To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org From: alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca Subject: [ALAC] Rules of Procedure (RoP) re-write
We are clearly not going to have any time to discuss this as a group in Mexico City, but I would like to ask all of you to think about what you believe needs to be changed in any way. We have already identified: Rules associated with the ExCom and Performance Guidelines, but input on those is certainly welcome.
I am also interested in hearing how detailed and exhaustive you believe the RoP should be.
Input is welcome via e-mail (privately or to the list) and in person while in Mexico City.
You can find the current version ALAC/2007/1/1.Rev10 in English French and Spanish at https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?rules_of_procedure.
Alan
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Actually, this has already been the subject of a vote: during the 9 December 2008 ALAC meeting, and the motion to create the ExCom passed. You can find complete details at https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?25_november_2008_summary_minutes. On 19/02/2009 11:08, "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Alan:
thank you for your advice.
Yes, you have a point , my motion is definitly to stop the re-write the ROP, because we don´t know, because we didn`t vote FIRST if we want an Ex Com, because we don´t know, what exactly means, and what Ex Com will do, and what will be their obligations and faculties.
So my motion is : stop re-write the ROP and, ask and vote if Ex Com is needed.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:06:48 -0500 To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org From: alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca Subject: RE: [ALAC] Rules of Procedure (RoP) re-write
Carlos, at this point, the ALAC has voted for the creation and in that motion, instructed that more details rules be created. As Rapporteur, I am trying to follow those instructions. I also stated in my work plan that an overall RoP re-write was in my plan, and I had no objections raised to that.
So I am trying to do that job. I note that the ExCom issue is a SMALL part of the overall RoP.
If you feel that the ALAC should take some other immediate action (either to stop the re-write or abolish the ExCom with details on exactly what that means), I suggest that as an ALAC member, you make a motion to that effect.
Alan
At 19/02/2009 07:04 AM, carlos aguirre wrote:
Dear Alan.
Before talk about ROP changes, is neccessary as I said in last november, to decide first if Ex Com is a good idea.
I think particularly to impose "de facto" a new body, with only a few ALAC members deciding for all of us, and in charge to decide what issues are urgent or important is not a democratic way to stablish something like that.
But, I repeat, first of all is not legaly, because are not into ROP, and because was not voted the necessity of it creation.
my best
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:57:53 -0500 To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org From: alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca Subject: [ALAC] Rules of Procedure (RoP) re-write
We are clearly not going to have any time to discuss this as a group in Mexico City, but I would like to ask all of you to think about what you believe needs to be changed in any way. We have already identified: Rules associated with the ExCom and Performance Guidelines, but input on those is certainly welcome.
I am also interested in hearing how detailed and exhaustive you believe the RoP should be.
Input is welcome via e-mail (privately or to the list) and in person while in Mexico City.
You can find the current version ALAC/2007/1/1.Rev10 in English French and Spanish at https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?rules_of_procedure.
Alan
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Carlos, can I ask why you are asking to stop the RoP re-write, instead of simply deferring the re-write of the ExCom section? The intent to do a re-write preceded the ExCom decision, and (in some opinions) needs to be done in any case. Alan At 19/02/2009 02:08 PM, carlos aguirre wrote:
Alan:
thank you for your advice. Yes, you have a point , my motion is definitly to stop the re-write the ROP, because we don´t know, because we didn`t vote FIRST if we want an Ex Com, because we don´t know, what exactly means, and what Ex Com will do, and what will be their obligations and faculties.
So my motion is : stop re-write the ROP and, ask and vote if Ex Com is needed.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 <http://www.sitioderecho.com.ar/>www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org
---------- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:06:48 -0500 To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org From: alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca Subject: RE: [ALAC] Rules of Procedure (RoP) re-write
Carlos, at this point, the ALAC has voted for the creation and in that motion, instructed that more details rules be created. As Rapporteur, I am trying to follow those instructions. I also stated in my work plan that an overall RoP re-write was in my plan, and I had no objections raised to that.
So I am trying to do that job. I note that the ExCom issue is a SMALL part of the overall RoP.
If you feel that the ALAC should take some other immediate action (either to stop the re-write or abolish the ExCom with details on exactly what that means), I suggest that as an ALAC member, you make a motion to that effect.
Alan
At 19/02/2009 07:04 AM, carlos aguirre wrote: Dear Alan.
Before talk about ROP changes, is neccessary as I said in last november, to decide first if Ex Com is a good idea.
I think particularly to impose "de facto" a new body, with only a few ALAC members deciding for all of us, and in charge to decide what issues are urgent or important is not a democratic way to stablish something like that.
But, I repeat, first of all is not legaly, because are not into ROP, and because was not voted the necessity of it creation.
my best
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 <http://www.sitioderecho.com.ar/>www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:57:53 -0500 To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org From: alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca Subject: [ALAC] Rules of Procedure (RoP) re-write
We are clearly not going to have any time to discuss this as a group in Mexico City, but I would like to ask all of you to think about what you believe needs to be changed in any way. We have already identified: Rules associated with the ExCom and Performance Guidelines, but input on those is certainly welcome.
I am also interested in hearing how detailed and exhaustive you believe the RoP should be.
Input is welcome via e-mail (privately or to the list) and in person while in Mexico City.
You can find the current version ALAC/2007/1/1.Rev10 in English French and Spanish at <https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?rules_of_procedure>https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?rules_of_procedure.
Alan
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