Re: [ALAC] Mailing list duplication
You may well be right regarding Internet policy issues in general. But there will certainly be internal communications for administrative issues, or ongoing work on a statement being formulated or discussed that is targeted to a specific RALO). And we need to remember that if a subscriber is flooded with mail that has no direct relevance to them, they may well just get off the list. So targeting is important. Alan At 07/08/2008 03:27 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Based on our mandate, I cannot think of any issue important to ALAC that would have a specificity of interest to just one RALO.
This is not to say that every issue will resonate the same for every ALS.......or even RALO!
Carlton
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:44 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [ALAC] Mailing list duplication
The ALAC and (presumably) the ALAC-Internal list includes the ALAC, RALO management and ICANN staff.
The At-Large list is a self-selected list of people which (at the moment) includes all ALAC members, but not not several of the RALO people.
The RALO lists include an unknown subset/superset of these same people.
Somehow we need to rationalize this.
Some questions that come to mind are: - Where do we want substantive discussions with users to take place. - Are ALAC and RALO people obliged to read the At-Large list and comment when appropriate. - Should the RALO lists be identified as being exclusively for issues that are relevant to that RALO only?
Are there more question that we need to consider.? Are there any reasonable answers which will allow interaction with people outside of this lists's members, but will avoid needless cross posting?
Alan
PS The issue came up in my mind because I am about to post a message on the RAA and see no way to hit a reasonable cross-section of people without cross-posting.
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Well, and now after my last e-mail, I'm disagreeing with myself. We have ALAC Announce for announcements. So what is the difference between ALAC and At-Large? No idea whatsoever. Dang! D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:46 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [ALAC] Mailing list duplication You may well be right regarding Internet policy issues in general. But there will certainly be internal communications for administrative issues, or ongoing work on a statement being formulated or discussed that is targeted to a specific RALO). And we need to remember that if a subscriber is flooded with mail that has no direct relevance to them, they may well just get off the list. So targeting is important. Alan At 07/08/2008 03:27 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Based on our mandate, I cannot think of any issue important to ALAC that would have a specificity of interest to just one RALO.
This is not to say that every issue will resonate the same for every ALS.......or even RALO!
Carlton
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:44 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [ALAC] Mailing list duplication
The ALAC and (presumably) the ALAC-Internal list includes the ALAC, RALO management and ICANN staff.
The At-Large list is a self-selected list of people which (at the moment) includes all ALAC members, but not not several of the RALO people.
The RALO lists include an unknown subset/superset of these same people.
Somehow we need to rationalize this.
Some questions that come to mind are: - Where do we want substantive discussions with users to take place. - Are ALAC and RALO people obliged to read the At-Large list and comment when appropriate. - Should the RALO lists be identified as being exclusively for issues that are relevant to that RALO only?
Are there more question that we need to consider.? Are there any reasonable answers which will allow interaction with people outside of this lists's members, but will avoid needless cross posting?
Alan
PS The issue came up in my mind because I am about to post a message on the RAA and see no way to hit a reasonable cross-section of people without cross-posting.
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ALAC - list for ALAC to do work in public. At Large - list for all people interested in At Large issues to talk amongst themselves and with ALAC That's my take on it... Jacqueline Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Well, and now after my last e-mail, I'm disagreeing with myself. We have ALAC Announce for announcements. So what is the difference between ALAC and At-Large? No idea whatsoever. Dang!
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:46 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [ALAC] Mailing list duplication
You may well be right regarding Internet policy issues in general. But there will certainly be internal communications for administrative issues, or ongoing work on a statement being formulated or discussed that is targeted to a specific RALO).
And we need to remember that if a subscriber is flooded with mail that has no direct relevance to them, they may well just get off the list. So targeting is important.
Alan
At 07/08/2008 03:27 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Based on our mandate, I cannot think of any issue important to ALAC
that
would have a specificity of interest to just one RALO.
This is not to say that every issue will resonate the same for every ALS.......or even RALO!
Carlton
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan
Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:44 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [ALAC] Mailing list duplication
The ALAC and (presumably) the ALAC-Internal list includes the ALAC, RALO management and ICANN staff.
The At-Large list is a self-selected list of people which (at the moment) includes all ALAC members, but not not several of the RALO
people.
The RALO lists include an unknown subset/superset of these same people.
Somehow we need to rationalize this.
Some questions that come to mind are: - Where do we want substantive discussions with users to take place. - Are ALAC and RALO people obliged to read the At-Large list and comment when appropriate. - Should the RALO lists be identified as being exclusively for issues that are relevant to that RALO only?
Are there more question that we need to consider.? Are there any reasonable answers which will allow interaction with people outside of this lists's members, but will avoid needless cross posting?
Alan
PS The issue came up in my mind because I am about to post a message on the RAA and see no way to hit a reasonable cross-section of people without cross-posting.
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.ican
n.org
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
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At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
The phrase "and with ALAC" is interesting, and one of the things we need to discuss. Are all ALAC members (or the somewhat larger group, all ALAC members and RALO management) obliged to monitor all communications on the At-Large list? If one presumes that this is the way for individuals with no explicit standing to raise issues with us, the answer is yes. But clearly at the moment, some do not even subscribe, and others do not have the stamina or time to go through it all. In the case of the GNSO and GA list, it is clearly stated that some Council members participate, but they are under no obligation to participate or respond. Alan At 11/08/2008 12:16 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
ALAC - list for ALAC to do work in public. At Large - list for all people interested in At Large issues to talk amongst themselves and with ALAC That's my take on it... Jacqueline Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Well, and now after my last e-mail, I'm disagreeing with myself. We have ALAC Announce for announcements. So what is the difference between ALAC and At-Large? No idea whatsoever. Dang!
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:46 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [ALAC] Mailing list duplication
You may well be right regarding Internet policy issues in general. But there will certainly be internal communications for administrative issues, or ongoing work on a statement being formulated or discussed that is targeted to a specific RALO).
And we need to remember that if a subscriber is flooded with mail that has no direct relevance to them, they may well just get off the list. So targeting is important.
Alan
At 07/08/2008 03:27 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Based on our mandate, I cannot think of any issue important to ALAC
that
would have a specificity of interest to just one RALO.
This is not to say that every issue will resonate the same for every ALS.......or even RALO!
Carlton
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan
Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:44 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [ALAC] Mailing list duplication
The ALAC and (presumably) the ALAC-Internal list includes the ALAC, RALO management and ICANN staff.
The At-Large list is a self-selected list of people which (at the moment) includes all ALAC members, but not not several of the RALO
people.
The RALO lists include an unknown subset/superset of these same people.
Somehow we need to rationalize this.
Some questions that come to mind are: - Where do we want substantive discussions with users to take place. - Are ALAC and RALO people obliged to read the At-Large list and comment when appropriate. - Should the RALO lists be identified as being exclusively for issues that are relevant to that RALO only?
Are there more question that we need to consider.? Are there any reasonable answers which will allow interaction with people outside of this lists's members, but will avoid needless cross posting?
Alan
PS The issue came up in my mind because I am about to post a message on the RAA and see no way to hit a reasonable cross-section of people without cross-posting.
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.ican
n.org
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
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At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
ALAC = public At-Large Advisory Committee working list At-Large = public At-Large community conversation worldwide On 11/08/2008 15:18, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote: Well, and now after my last e-mail, I'm disagreeing with myself. We have ALAC Announce for announcements. So what is the difference between ALAC and At-Large? No idea whatsoever. Dang! D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:46 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [ALAC] Mailing list duplication You may well be right regarding Internet policy issues in general. But there will certainly be internal communications for administrative issues, or ongoing work on a statement being formulated or discussed that is targeted to a specific RALO). And we need to remember that if a subscriber is flooded with mail that has no direct relevance to them, they may well just get off the list. So targeting is important. Alan At 07/08/2008 03:27 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Based on our mandate, I cannot think of any issue important to ALAC that would have a specificity of interest to just one RALO.
This is not to say that every issue will resonate the same for every ALS.......or even RALO!
Carlton
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:44 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [ALAC] Mailing list duplication
The ALAC and (presumably) the ALAC-Internal list includes the ALAC, RALO management and ICANN staff.
The At-Large list is a self-selected list of people which (at the moment) includes all ALAC members, but not not several of the RALO people.
The RALO lists include an unknown subset/superset of these same people.
Somehow we need to rationalize this.
Some questions that come to mind are: - Where do we want substantive discussions with users to take place. - Are ALAC and RALO people obliged to read the At-Large list and comment when appropriate. - Should the RALO lists be identified as being exclusively for issues that are relevant to that RALO only?
Are there more question that we need to consider.? Are there any reasonable answers which will allow interaction with people outside of this lists's members, but will avoid needless cross posting?
Alan
PS The issue came up in my mind because I am about to post a message on the RAA and see no way to hit a reasonable cross-section of people without cross-posting.
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At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA DD: +1 (310) 578-8637 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
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Alan Greenberg -
Jacqueline A. Morris -
Nick Ashton-Hart -
Thompson, Darlene