Hi everyone! I heard same, +1 to Vanda 💚 ___ Best regards, Natalia Filina +7 906 722 5461 Moscow, Russia пт, 7 нояб. 2025 г., 17:43 Vanda Scartezini via ALAC <alac@icann.org>:

i understood Tom’s words were quite clear and in a positive way defending the full independence of NOMCOM. I believe as I know what Ching said, that Carlos was just worried by the tentative of interference from the Board in the selection process of NOMCOM. kisses

*From: *Raymond Mamattah via ALAC <alac@icann.org> *Date: *Thursday, 6 November 2025 at 18:06 *To: *carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> *Cc: *alac interno 2 <alac@icann.org>, 'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org <'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, alac-admin@icann.org < alac-admin@icann.org> *Subject: *[ALAC] Re: We need to say something about this. I think.

Hi Carlos,

I have gone through the attachment and I'm not sure I can identify where Tom went wrong.

Possibly, if you could quote his exact words that are problematic and explain why they're in bad taste. This will help us all known where you are coming from.

My one pesewa thought.

Regards, --- Raymond Mamattah Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭

On Thu, 6 Nov 2025, 17:17 carlos dionisio aguirre via ALAC, < alac@icann.org> wrote:

In the attachment, I’m sharing a post by Ching Chao that includes the accurate transliteration of what John Barrett said during the ICANN84 Public Forum when addressing the board. I believe we must publicly address and demand an official response to the statements made by John Barrett (NomCom Chair). What he said is deeply concerning and cannot be left unanswered. His words reveal a troubling perspective on the NomCom’s role and independence, and they risk undermining the trust that the entire ICANN community has worked so hard to build. We need clarity, accountability, and a firm commitment that the NomCom will continue to operate free from undue influence.

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This is also What I understood from Carlos message. Tijani --------------------------------------------------------------------- Vanda Scartezini via ALAC <alac@icann.org> a écrit :

i understood Tom’s words were quite clear and in a positive way defending the full independence of NOMCOM. I believe  as I know what Ching said, that Carlos was just worried by the tentative of interference from the Board in the selection process of NOMCOM. kisses    FROM: Raymond Mamattah via ALAC <alac@icann.org> DATE: Thursday, 6 November 2025 at 18:06 TO: carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> CC: alac interno 2 <alac@icann.org>, 'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org <'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, alac-admin@icann.org <alac-admin@icann.org> SUBJECT: [ALAC] Re: We need to say something about this. I think.   Hi Carlos,    I have gone through the attachment and I'm not sure I can identify where Tom went wrong.    Possibly, if you could quote his exact words that are problematic and explain why they're in bad taste. This will help us all known where you are coming from.   My one pesewa thought.    Regards,  --- Raymond Mamattah Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭   On Thu, 6 Nov 2025, 17:17 carlos dionisio aguirre via ALAC, <alac@icann.org> wrote:

...

In the attachment, I’m sharing a post by Ching Chao that includes the accurate transliteration of what John Barrett said during the ICANN84 Public Forum when addressing the board. I believe we must publicly address and demand an official response to the statements made by John Barrett (NomCom Chair). What he said is deeply concerning and cannot be left unanswered. His words reveal a troubling perspective on the NomCom’s role and independence, and they risk undermining the trust that the entire ICANN community has worked so hard to build. We need clarity, accountability, and a firm commitment that the NomCom will continue to operate free from undue influence.   Carlos Dionisio Aguirre _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list -- alac@icann.org[1] To unsubscribe send an email to alac-leave@icann.org[2]

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Hello Leon, I share yours and others' understanding of Carlos' comment as well. That said, the statement of the Chair of the Board is weighty and it can be really difficult to air personal opinions when wearing such a hat. It's a burden the bearer of the title must carry unfortunately. Not to defend her, perhaps she made the statement just to challenge nomcom to do more. Nevertheless, I do know that NOMCOM has a process to interact with leadership of the various stakeholders whose leaders are partly filled by nomcom including the Board, that process is not to tell nomcom how/who to select but rather to highlight what kind of skill set or other diversity ingredients etc they feel might be missing in their current composition which i believe nomcom do put into consideration. Tom has performed his duty as nomcom Chair to rightly reiterate the importance of maintaining the independence of nomcom (to the extent possible) and it's good to hear from Leon that the Board share the same view. The same nomcom process is what was used to appoint current nomcom appointee members of the Board including the Chair and they were not just formalities; the selections were done on merit. I believe Leon will take this as a feedback to the Board hence we may be flogging the matter by having ALAC do a separate dedicated statement. Regards On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 at 11:56, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía via ALAC < alac@icann.org> wrote:

I too understood that Carlos is suggesting something should be said in support of Tom’s statement in order to avoid undue interference with NomCom’s independence.

Now, having said that, let me clarify that it is not the Board being referred in Tom’s statement. His statement was addressed to the Board’s Chair as she made statements regarding her disappointment on past NomCom’s cycle selections and she was also clear that this was her personal sentiment and not of the Board.

My view is that the Board respects and supports the NomCom’s independence and also respects and supports its processes and Delegates. Proof of this is the vote on the resolution that appointed Tom and James as this year’s NomCom Chair and Chair-elect, in which only two individuals abstained and the rest of the Board members present voted in favor of the resolution.

I believe an independent NomCom is one of the corner stones of our MSM and as such we need to cherish it and care for it and defend it.

Kind regards,

León

El 7 nov 2025, a las 11:32 a.m., Tijani BEN JEMAA via ALAC <alac@icann.org> escribió:

This is also What I understood from Carlos message. Tijani --------------------------------------------------------------------- Vanda Scartezini via ALAC <alac@icann.org> a écrit :

i understood Tom’s words were quite clear and in a positive way defending the full independence of NOMCOM. I believe as I know what Ching said, that Carlos was just worried by the tentative of interference from the Board in the selection process of NOMCOM. kisses

*From:* Raymond Mamattah via ALAC <alac@icann.org> *Date:* Thursday, 6 November 2025 at 18:06 *To:* carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> *Cc:* alac interno 2 <alac@icann.org>, 'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org <'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, alac-admin@icann.org < alac-admin@icann.org> *Subject:* [ALAC] Re: We need to say something about this. I think.

Hi Carlos,

I have gone through the attachment and I'm not sure I can identify where Tom went wrong.

Possibly, if you could quote his exact words that are problematic and explain why they're in bad taste. This will help us all known where you are coming from.

My one pesewa thought.

Regards, --- Raymond Mamattah Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭

On Thu, 6 Nov 2025, 17:17 carlos dionisio aguirre via ALAC, < alac@icann.org> wrote:

In the attachment, I’m sharing a post by Ching Chao that includes the accurate transliteration of what John Barrett said during the ICANN84 Public Forum when addressing the board. I believe we must publicly address and demand an official response to the statements made by John Barrett (NomCom Chair). What he said is deeply concerning and cannot be left unanswered. His words reveal a troubling perspective on the NomCom’s role and independence, and they risk undermining the trust that the entire ICANN community has worked so hard to build. We need clarity, accountability, and a firm commitment that the NomCom will continue to operate free from undue influence.

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Dear all, and I'll just add briefly that in our very community there are views pointing to both sides of the argument: some think that the NomCom is not attentive enough to the needs of the Board and of the Community and due to their independence, is not accountable to anyone and therefore the whole concept of a NomCom needs to be revisited. Others support the NomCom's complete independence. I must admit that looking at years of NomCom selections, some appointed candidates have been incredibly "good", surpassing all expectations, and some others have been disappointing. It is also a case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder: if the NomCom appoints someone you do not like, you tend to criticise it. If, on the other hand, it's someone who shares your opinions, then you praise the NomCom. I myself have sometimes been bewildered as to why the NomCom would make such a choice of candidate. But then, having been part of one NomCom many years ago, I also remind myself about the hours and hours of deep dive and tough discussions on the NomCom between people that sometimes have very different views, to reach a consensus, and I praise this process. I might not always agree with the people the NomCom appoints, but I will fight for the right of the NomCom to appoint these people. (pun intended) Kindest regards, Olivier On 07/11/2025 18:59, Pari Esfandiari via ALAC wrote:

Dear All,

Thank you all for this thoughtful exchange. I share the community’s dedication to preserving the independence of the NomCom, which is fundamental to ICANN’s legitimacy. At the same time, I believe we should distinguish between influence and institutional reflection.

From my perspective, Tripti’s remarks were not an attempt to interfere,but rather a legitimate expression of concern voiced /after/ the NomCom’s decision—an important distinction. Board leaders, like all community members, should be able to reflect openly on governance outcomes, especially when doing so invites greater vigilance, transparency, and diligence in future selections. Honest reflection strengthens accountability; silencing it would weaken the culture of openness that defines ICANN.

Tom Barrett’s reminder of the NomCom’s autonomy and Tripti’s call for reflection are not contradictory—they are complementary expressions of care for the integrity of the system. Both underscore that accountability and independence must coexist, not compete.

Rather than issue a reactive statement, ALAC could use this moment constructively—to call for clearer communication between the Board and the NomCom on how “guidance” is conveyed and understood, and to reaffirm our shared commitment to accountability, transparency, and respect for process boundaries. In doing so, we would demonstrate leadership not by taking sides, but by protecting the integrity of the multistakeholder system itself—where independence, dialogue, and mutual respect must coexist.

Pari Esfadiari

On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 8:44 PM Seun Ojedeji via ALAC <alac@icann.org> wrote:

Hello Leon,

I share yours and others' understanding of Carlos' comment as well.  That said, the statement of the Chair of the Board is weighty and it can be really difficult to air personal opinions when wearing such a hat. It's a burden the bearer of the title must carry unfortunately. Not to defend her, perhaps she made the statement just to challenge nomcom to do more.

Nevertheless, I do know that NOMCOM has a process to interact with leadership of the various stakeholders whose leaders are partly filled by nomcom including the Board, that process is not to tell nomcom how/who to select but rather to highlight what kind of skill set or other diversity ingredients etc they feel might be missing in their current composition which i believe nomcom do put into consideration.

Tom has performed his duty as nomcom Chair to rightly reiterate the importance of maintaining the independence of nomcom (to the extent possible) and it's good to hear from Leon that the Board share the same view. The same nomcom process is what was used to appoint current nomcom appointee members of the Board including the Chair and they were not just formalities; the selections were done on merit. I believe Leon will take this as a feedback to the Board hence we may be flogging the matter by having ALAC do a separate dedicated statement.

Regards

On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 at 11:56, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía via ALAC <alac@icann.org> wrote:

I too understood that Carlos is suggesting something should be said in support of Tom’s statement in order to avoid undue interference with NomCom’s independence.

Now, having said that, let me clarify that it is not the Board being referred in Tom’s statement. His statement was addressed to the Board’s Chair as she made statements regarding her disappointment on past NomCom’s cycle selections and she was also clear that this was her personal sentiment and not of the Board.

My view is  that the Board respects and supports the NomCom’s independence and also respects and supports its processes and Delegates. Proof of this is the vote on the resolution that appointed Tom and James as this year’s NomCom Chair and Chair-elect, in which only two individuals abstained and the rest of the Board members present voted in favor of the resolution.

I believe an independent NomCom is one of the corner stones of our MSM and as such we need to cherish it and care for it and defend it.

Kind regards,

León

...

El 7 nov 2025, a las 11:32 a.m., Tijani BEN JEMAA via ALAC <alac@icann.org> escribió:

This is also What I understood from Carlos message. Tijani --------------------------------------------------------------------- Vanda Scartezini via ALAC <alac@icann.org> a écrit :

...

i understood Tom’s words were quite clear and in a positive way defending the full independence of NOMCOM. I believe  as I know what Ching said, that Carlos was just worried by the tentative of interference from the Board in the selection process of NOMCOM. kisses *From:*Raymond Mamattah via ALAC <alac@icann.org> *Date:*Thursday, 6 November 2025 at 18:06 *To:*carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> *Cc:*alac interno 2 <alac@icann.org>, 'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org <'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, alac-admin@icann.org <alac-admin@icann.org> *Subject:*[ALAC] Re: We need to say something about this. I think. Hi Carlos, I have gone through the attachment and I'm not sure I can identify where Tom went wrong. Possibly, if you could quote his exact words that are problematic and explain why they're in bad taste. This will help us all known where you are coming from. My one pesewa thought. Regards, --- Raymond Mamattah Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭 On Thu, 6 Nov 2025, 17:17 carlos dionisio aguirre via ALAC, <alac@icann.org> wrote:

In the attachment, I’m sharing a post by Ching Chao that includes the accurate transliteration of what John Barrett said during the ICANN84 Public Forum when addressing the board. I believe we must publicly address and demand an official response to the statements made by John Barrett (NomCom Chair). What he said is deeply concerning and cannot be left unanswered. His words reveal a troubling perspective on the NomCom’s role and independence, and they risk undermining the trust that the entire ICANN community has worked so hard to build. We need clarity, accountability, and a firm commitment that the NomCom will continue to operate free from undue influence. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list --alac@icann.org To unsubscribe send an email toalac-leave@icann.org

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Hello Judith, Am not sure this is at all a good suggestion. This assumes that one can tell about performance of an individual by just observing a single board meeting, it also suggests that appointees needs to be active within ICANN at the time nomcom folks are observing the meeting both of which be can very subjective. I would suggest care at introducing data points that could create unnecessary subjectivity in the process. There are community elected/selected positions and those data points you refer can be useful for those kind of candidates not for nomcom appointees whose candidates extend beyond the usual suspects within ICANN. For me the challenge of nomcom is not selection of wrong candidates, it is lack of open seats to accommodate all the qualified candidates. If there is anything to bring nomcom attention to, it could be to increase focus on non ICANN candidates and candidates from global South which is improving in recent times Regards ---- Sent from my mobile kindly excuse typos On Fri, 7 Nov 2025, 4:10 pm Judith Hellerstein via ALAC, <alac@icann.org> wrote:

HI All,

Thanks, Olivier, for your comments. I very much agree with you when you said I might not always agree with the people the NomCom appoints, but I will fight for the right of the NomCom to appoint these people. However, I very much liked Edmun Chung's suggestion that we add some additional data points to the analysis. He was suggesting that the Nomcom might want to observe a board meeting and see how the different board members interact. I think this is good since it adds some additional data points to the review. Sometimes different nominees just like others have had bad days or are too preoccupied with another task to give their full and best performance in an interview. It happens to everyone. However, I think the more data points there are to the evaluation, the better the team is able to analyze who will be the best candidate. For those not currently on an ICANN board, observing another meeting where the candidate is active, whether live or recorded could provide the extra data point which would be helpful to the evaluation

Best,

Judith

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On 11/7/25 3:31 PM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via ALAC wrote:

Dear all,

and I'll just add briefly that in our very community there are views pointing to both sides of the argument: some think that the NomCom is not attentive enough to the needs of the Board and of the Community and due to their independence, is not accountable to anyone and therefore the whole concept of a NomCom needs to be revisited. Others support the NomCom's complete independence.

I must admit that looking at years of NomCom selections, some appointed candidates have been incredibly "good", surpassing all expectations, and some others have been disappointing. It is also a case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder: if the NomCom appoints someone you do not like, you tend to criticise it. If, on the other hand, it's someone who shares your opinions, then you praise the NomCom. I myself have sometimes been bewildered as to why the NomCom would make such a choice of candidate. But then, having been part of one NomCom many years ago, I also remind myself about the hours and hours of deep dive and tough discussions on the NomCom between people that sometimes have very different views, to reach a consensus, and I praise this process. I might not always agree with the people the NomCom appoints, but I will fight for the right of the NomCom to appoint these people. (pun intended)

Kindest regards,

Olivier

On 07/11/2025 18:59, Pari Esfandiari via ALAC wrote:

Dear All,

Thank you all for this thoughtful exchange. I share the community’s dedication to preserving the independence of the NomCom, which is fundamental to ICANN’s legitimacy. At the same time, I believe we should distinguish between influence and institutional reflection.

From my perspective, Tripti’s remarks were not an attempt to interfere, but rather a legitimate expression of concern voiced *after* the NomCom’s decision—an important distinction. Board leaders, like all community members, should be able to reflect openly on governance outcomes, especially when doing so invites greater vigilance, transparency, and diligence in future selections. Honest reflection strengthens accountability; silencing it would weaken the culture of openness that defines ICANN.

Tom Barrett’s reminder of the NomCom’s autonomy and Tripti’s call for reflection are not contradictory—they are complementary expressions of care for the integrity of the system. Both underscore that accountability and independence must coexist, not compete.

Rather than issue a reactive statement, ALAC could use this moment constructively—to call for clearer communication between the Board and the NomCom on how “guidance” is conveyed and understood, and to reaffirm our shared commitment to accountability, transparency, and respect for process boundaries. In doing so, we would demonstrate leadership not by taking sides, but by protecting the integrity of the multistakeholder system itself—where independence, dialogue, and mutual respect must coexist.

Pari Esfadiari

On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 8:44 PM Seun Ojedeji via ALAC <alac@icann.org> wrote:

...

Hello Leon,

I share yours and others' understanding of Carlos' comment as well. That said, the statement of the Chair of the Board is weighty and it can be really difficult to air personal opinions when wearing such a hat. It's a burden the bearer of the title must carry unfortunately. Not to defend her, perhaps she made the statement just to challenge nomcom to do more.

Nevertheless, I do know that NOMCOM has a process to interact with leadership of the various stakeholders whose leaders are partly filled by nomcom including the Board, that process is not to tell nomcom how/who to select but rather to highlight what kind of skill set or other diversity ingredients etc they feel might be missing in their current composition which i believe nomcom do put into consideration.

Tom has performed his duty as nomcom Chair to rightly reiterate the importance of maintaining the independence of nomcom (to the extent possible) and it's good to hear from Leon that the Board share the same view. The same nomcom process is what was used to appoint current nomcom appointee members of the Board including the Chair and they were not just formalities; the selections were done on merit. I believe Leon will take this as a feedback to the Board hence we may be flogging the matter by having ALAC do a separate dedicated statement.

Regards

On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 at 11:56, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía via ALAC < alac@icann.org> wrote:

...

I too understood that Carlos is suggesting something should be said in support of Tom’s statement in order to avoid undue interference with NomCom’s independence.

Now, having said that, let me clarify that it is not the Board being referred in Tom’s statement. His statement was addressed to the Board’s Chair as she made statements regarding her disappointment on past NomCom’s cycle selections and she was also clear that this was her personal sentiment and not of the Board.

My view is that the Board respects and supports the NomCom’s independence and also respects and supports its processes and Delegates. Proof of this is the vote on the resolution that appointed Tom and James as this year’s NomCom Chair and Chair-elect, in which only two individuals abstained and the rest of the Board members present voted in favor of the resolution.

I believe an independent NomCom is one of the corner stones of our MSM and as such we need to cherish it and care for it and defend it.

Kind regards,

León

El 7 nov 2025, a las 11:32 a.m., Tijani BEN JEMAA via ALAC < alac@icann.org> escribió:

This is also What I understood from Carlos message. Tijani --------------------------------------------------------------------- Vanda Scartezini via ALAC <alac@icann.org> a écrit :

i understood Tom’s words were quite clear and in a positive way defending the full independence of NOMCOM. I believe as I know what Ching said, that Carlos was just worried by the tentative of interference from the Board in the selection process of NOMCOM. kisses

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Hi Carlos,

I have gone through the attachment and I'm not sure I can identify where Tom went wrong.

Possibly, if you could quote his exact words that are problematic and explain why they're in bad taste. This will help us all known where you are coming from.

My one pesewa thought.

Regards, --- Raymond Mamattah Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭

On Thu, 6 Nov 2025, 17:17 carlos dionisio aguirre via ALAC, < alac@icann.org> wrote:

In the attachment, I’m sharing a post by Ching Chao that includes the accurate transliteration of what John Barrett said during the ICANN84 Public Forum when addressing the board. I believe we must publicly address and demand an official response to the statements made by John Barrett (NomCom Chair). What he said is deeply concerning and cannot be left unanswered. His words reveal a troubling perspective on the NomCom’s role and independence, and they risk undermining the trust that the entire ICANN community has worked so hard to build. We need clarity, accountability, and a firm commitment that the NomCom will continue to operate free from undue influence.

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Allow me to make a few comments. They are made from two perspectives: 1. I am at the start of my first time as a NomCom delegate. I now have a somewhat vague idea of the arduous task ahead for me and my companions in selecting what we hope will be great additions to the Board, SOs and the ALAC. I also have an inkling of understanding how those on last year's NomCom feel about the recent comments. 2. I have 29 years of experience in seeing NomCom appointments. Very first hand to the ALAC and the GNSO and some pretty clear views of those to the Board. I have seen some absolutely great NomCom appointments to those bodies. And some absolutely pitiful ones. And it includes NomComs where I have been selected, and those when I have been rejected! As a referee of candidates, I have strongly advised NomComs to accept certain candidates. And as ALAC Chair, I have written to the NomCom on ALAC Members who might be considered for reappointment. Sometimes my "advice " was followed, and sometimes not. I do not doubt that ALL of the selections, and that includes those made this summer, were made in good faith, adhering to what the respective NomComs believed to best suit the needs of the receiving organizations. Some of those, in retrospect, were clearly disastrous mistakes. Perhaps some appointments made in 2025 were also mistakes, but that does not at all mean they were made without due consideration of the information available to them (including receiving organization advice) and their best collective judgement. Overall, I have to say that the selections are getting better. Certainly, based on my views of the ALAC and the Board. I feel the remarks at ICANN84 made by some Board Members, including the Chair, were ill-advised. I take to heart Leon's comments that we should not presume that this implies less collective faith in the NomCom, nor should we presume that its independence is at risk. All of that being said, I believe that all receiving organizations need to do a MUCH better job of ensuring that the NomComs really understand what is expected of them and what the needs of the receiving organizations are. And for renewing candidates, just how well they have met the needs of the receiving organization in their earlier term(s).; Alan On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 6:55 PM Carlton Samuels via ALAC <alac@icann.org> wrote:

I tried to join the debate 8 hours ago from an area of the country ravaged by hurricane and failed. Good thing I did too.

First, I implore you to take Leon's advice and develop a well-nuanced view of the whole kerfuffle. I would further recommend that the ALAC desist from any official response. This too shall pass.

The Board Chair is annoyed that her choice was spurned by the NomCom and that is indeed understandable. It is the position of every parent that your child is above average. She will get over it in due time.

The At-Large sends five - count 'em - delegates to the NomCom. I concur with Olivier on this point: the overriding and compelling At-Large interest is the sustained independence of the NomCom in deciding selections.

Edmond suggested, Judith agreed and Seun extended the matter of additional data points in the triage process for nominees towards selection. I hope you didn't miss Seun's finer sensitivities on the subject. Mark me in support down that line.

I go one further and put my personal experience on the block. I applied for the Chair-Elect of the NomCom this last season. I was considered *ineligible* because - as a very kind Board associate rang and informed me - service on the NomCom is a prerequisite for consideration.

Look at the position! Check how it is supposed to be operationalised! What an astoundingly...well, counterintuitive prospect that this data point is a kill switch!

I put it to you that is more insidious than a casual bellyaching eruption from a disappointed Board Chair.

And I am unanimous in that.

Carlton

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 at 18:07, Seun Ojedeji via ALAC <alac@icann.org> wrote:

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Hello Judith,

Am not sure this is at all a good suggestion. This assumes that one can tell about performance of an individual by just observing a single board meeting, it also suggests that appointees needs to be active within ICANN at the time nomcom folks are observing the meeting both of which be can very subjective.

I would suggest care at introducing data points that could create unnecessary subjectivity in the process.

There are community elected/selected positions and those data points you refer can be useful for those kind of candidates not for nomcom appointees whose candidates extend beyond the usual suspects within ICANN.

For me the challenge of nomcom is not selection of wrong candidates, it is lack of open seats to accommodate all the qualified candidates. If there is anything to bring nomcom attention to, it could be to increase focus on non ICANN candidates and candidates from global South which is improving in recent times

Regards

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2025, 4:10 pm Judith Hellerstein via ALAC, <alac@icann.org> wrote:

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HI All,

Thanks, Olivier, for your comments. I very much agree with you when you said I might not always agree with the people the NomCom appoints, but I will fight for the right of the NomCom to appoint these people. However, I very much liked Edmun Chung's suggestion that we add some additional data points to the analysis. He was suggesting that the Nomcom might want to observe a board meeting and see how the different board members interact. I think this is good since it adds some additional data points to the review. Sometimes different nominees just like others have had bad days or are too preoccupied with another task to give their full and best performance in an interview. It happens to everyone. However, I think the more data points there are to the evaluation, the better the team is able to analyze who will be the best candidate. For those not currently on an ICANN board, observing another meeting where the candidate is active, whether live or recorded could provide the extra data point which would be helpful to the evaluation

Best,

Judith

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On 11/7/25 3:31 PM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via ALAC wrote:

Dear all,

and I'll just add briefly that in our very community there are views pointing to both sides of the argument: some think that the NomCom is not attentive enough to the needs of the Board and of the Community and due to their independence, is not accountable to anyone and therefore the whole concept of a NomCom needs to be revisited. Others support the NomCom's complete independence.

I must admit that looking at years of NomCom selections, some appointed candidates have been incredibly "good", surpassing all expectations, and some others have been disappointing. It is also a case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder: if the NomCom appoints someone you do not like, you tend to criticise it. If, on the other hand, it's someone who shares your opinions, then you praise the NomCom. I myself have sometimes been bewildered as to why the NomCom would make such a choice of candidate. But then, having been part of one NomCom many years ago, I also remind myself about the hours and hours of deep dive and tough discussions on the NomCom between people that sometimes have very different views, to reach a consensus, and I praise this process. I might not always agree with the people the NomCom appoints, but I will fight for the right of the NomCom to appoint these people. (pun intended)

Kindest regards,

Olivier

On 07/11/2025 18:59, Pari Esfandiari via ALAC wrote:

Dear All,

Thank you all for this thoughtful exchange. I share the community’s dedication to preserving the independence of the NomCom, which is fundamental to ICANN’s legitimacy. At the same time, I believe we should distinguish between influence and institutional reflection.

From my perspective, Tripti’s remarks were not an attempt to interfere, but rather a legitimate expression of concern voiced *after* the NomCom’s decision—an important distinction. Board leaders, like all community members, should be able to reflect openly on governance outcomes, especially when doing so invites greater vigilance, transparency, and diligence in future selections. Honest reflection strengthens accountability; silencing it would weaken the culture of openness that defines ICANN.

Tom Barrett’s reminder of the NomCom’s autonomy and Tripti’s call for reflection are not contradictory—they are complementary expressions of care for the integrity of the system. Both underscore that accountability and independence must coexist, not compete.

Rather than issue a reactive statement, ALAC could use this moment constructively—to call for clearer communication between the Board and the NomCom on how “guidance” is conveyed and understood, and to reaffirm our shared commitment to accountability, transparency, and respect for process boundaries. In doing so, we would demonstrate leadership not by taking sides, but by protecting the integrity of the multistakeholder system itself—where independence, dialogue, and mutual respect must coexist.

Pari Esfadiari

On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 8:44 PM Seun Ojedeji via ALAC <alac@icann.org> wrote:

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Hello Leon,

I share yours and others' understanding of Carlos' comment as well. That said, the statement of the Chair of the Board is weighty and it can be really difficult to air personal opinions when wearing such a hat. It's a burden the bearer of the title must carry unfortunately. Not to defend her, perhaps she made the statement just to challenge nomcom to do more.

Nevertheless, I do know that NOMCOM has a process to interact with leadership of the various stakeholders whose leaders are partly filled by nomcom including the Board, that process is not to tell nomcom how/who to select but rather to highlight what kind of skill set or other diversity ingredients etc they feel might be missing in their current composition which i believe nomcom do put into consideration.

Tom has performed his duty as nomcom Chair to rightly reiterate the importance of maintaining the independence of nomcom (to the extent possible) and it's good to hear from Leon that the Board share the same view. The same nomcom process is what was used to appoint current nomcom appointee members of the Board including the Chair and they were not just formalities; the selections were done on merit. I believe Leon will take this as a feedback to the Board hence we may be flogging the matter by having ALAC do a separate dedicated statement.

Regards

On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 at 11:56, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía via ALAC < alac@icann.org> wrote:

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I too understood that Carlos is suggesting something should be said in support of Tom’s statement in order to avoid undue interference with NomCom’s independence.

Now, having said that, let me clarify that it is not the Board being referred in Tom’s statement. His statement was addressed to the Board’s Chair as she made statements regarding her disappointment on past NomCom’s cycle selections and she was also clear that this was her personal sentiment and not of the Board.

My view is that the Board respects and supports the NomCom’s independence and also respects and supports its processes and Delegates. Proof of this is the vote on the resolution that appointed Tom and James as this year’s NomCom Chair and Chair-elect, in which only two individuals abstained and the rest of the Board members present voted in favor of the resolution.

I believe an independent NomCom is one of the corner stones of our MSM and as such we need to cherish it and care for it and defend it.

Kind regards,

León

El 7 nov 2025, a las 11:32 a.m., Tijani BEN JEMAA via ALAC < alac@icann.org> escribió:

This is also What I understood from Carlos message. Tijani --------------------------------------------------------------------- Vanda Scartezini via ALAC <alac@icann.org> a écrit :

i understood Tom’s words were quite clear and in a positive way defending the full independence of NOMCOM. I believe as I know what Ching said, that Carlos was just worried by the tentative of interference from the Board in the selection process of NOMCOM. kisses

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Hi Carlos,

I have gone through the attachment and I'm not sure I can identify where Tom went wrong.

Possibly, if you could quote his exact words that are problematic and explain why they're in bad taste. This will help us all known where you are coming from.

My one pesewa thought.

Regards, --- Raymond Mamattah Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭

On Thu, 6 Nov 2025, 17:17 carlos dionisio aguirre via ALAC, < alac@icann.org> wrote:

In the attachment, I’m sharing a post by Ching Chao that includes the accurate transliteration of what John Barrett said during the ICANN84 Public Forum when addressing the board. I believe we must publicly address and demand an official response to the statements made by John Barrett (NomCom Chair). What he said is deeply concerning and cannot be left unanswered. His words reveal a troubling perspective on the NomCom’s role and independence, and they risk undermining the trust that the entire ICANN community has worked so hard to build. We need clarity, accountability, and a firm commitment that the NomCom will continue to operate free from undue influence.

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https://chatgpt.com/share/690fc0d0-1bfc-8005-80c3-f42b707ee6bf Been there Seen it before  Have a nice Sunday you all El sábado, 8 de noviembre de 2025, 10:01, Abdulkarim Oloyede via ALAC <alac@icann.org> escribió:

 Hi all,    I would like to emphasise that there is a real need for us to act on  this issue. It is evident that this was not merely a personal  opinion of the Board Chair, but one that directly influenced her  decisions in her official capacity.    The appointment of the Chair-Elect and the confirmation of the Chair  for 2026 were delayed until the very last moment because the Board  did not ratify the decision as it usually does. The Board Chair owes  the community an explanation as to why this deviation occurred this  year, contrary to long-standing tradition.    Unless I am mistaken, and Leon can correct me if I am wrong. I was  informed that the Board initially attempted to prevent Tom from  moving from Chair-Elect to Nominating Committee (NomCom) Chair, as  has always been the practice. It was also said that this arose  because the Board could not influence the reappointment of its Vice  Chair. Additionally, there are reports that the Board Chair later  refused to sign off on the ratification of the new NomCom  leadership. If these reports are true, this goes far beyond personal  opinion; it becomes a matter of governance integrity.    I strongly believe this issue must be formally investigated, as such  actions undermine the principles of transparency, accountability,  and trust that our community stands for. In my honest view,  Tripti’s continued position as Chair of the Board is no longer  tenable given her conduct in this matter.    I sincerely hope that this community will summon the courage to push  for real action. However, based on experience, I fear this might  once again fade away quietly, leaving us to lament behind closed  doors, like the people of Cameroon, aware of the injustice but  unwilling to act.    And to be very honest, I understand how hard it is to take a stand  on matters like this. It takes courage to speak up. Even when I  wrote my earlier comment, I hesitated to send it — I left it in  drafts, went out to clear my head, and finally pressed send without  reading it again. But sometimes, silence is more dangerous than  mistakes. We must confront these issues head-on if we truly want a  transparent and accountable community.    NB: Whenever I raise concerns like this on the mailing list, I often  receive several private messages full of support. (I already got 3  from my previous mail). Please, this time, let us be bold enough to  speak publicly. No private messages, please.  Let’s stand  together, openly, for the integrity of our community.     AK    AK     On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 10:12 PM Alan Greenberg via ALAC  <alac@icann.org> wrote:   

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  Allow me to make a few comments. They are made from two   perspectives:       1. I am at the start of my first time as a NomCom delegate. I now   have a somewhat vague idea of the arduous task ahead for me and   my companions in selecting what we hope will be great additions to   the Board, SOs and the ALAC. I also have an inkling of   understanding how those on last year's NomCom feel about the   recent comments.       2. I have 29 years of experience in seeing NomCom appointments.   Very first hand to the ALAC and the GNSO and some pretty clear   views of those to the Board.       I have seen some absolutely great NomCom appointments to those   bodies. And some absolutely pitiful ones. And it includes   NomComs where I have been selected, and those when I have been   rejected!        As a referee of candidates, I have strongly advised NomComs to   accept certain candidates. And as ALAC Chair, I have written to   the NomCom on ALAC Members who might be considered for   reappointment. Sometimes my "advice " was followed, and sometimes   not.       I do not doubt that ALL of the selections, and that includes those   made this summer, were made in good faith, adhering to what the   respective NomComs believed to best suit the needs of the   receiving organizations. Some of those, in retrospect, were   clearly disastrous mistakes. Perhaps some appointments made in   2025 were also mistakes, but that does not at all mean they were   made without due consideration of the information available to   them  (including receiving organization advice) and their best   collective judgement.       Overall, I have to say that the selections are getting better.   Certainly, based on my views of the ALAC and the Board.       I feel the remarks at ICANN84 made by some Board Members,   including the Chair, were ill-advised. I take to heart Leon's   comments that we should not presume that this implies less   collective faith in the NomCom, nor should we presume that its   independence is at risk.       All of that being said, I believe that all receiving   organizations need to do a MUCH better job of ensuring that the   NomComs really understand what is expected of them and what the   needs of the receiving organizations are. And for renewing   candidates, just how well they have met the needs of the receiving   organization in their earlier term(s).;       Alan        On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 6:55 PM Carlton Samuels via ALAC   <alac@icann.org> wrote:    

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   I tried to join the debate 8 hours ago from an area of the    country ravaged by hurricane and failed.  Good thing I did too.            First, I implore you to take Leon's advice and develop a    well-nuanced view of the whole kerfuffle. I would further    recommend that the ALAC desist from any official response. This    too shall pass.         The Board Chair is annoyed that her choice was spurned by the    NomCom and that is indeed understandable. It is the position of    every parent that your child is above average. She will get over    it in due time.          The At-Large sends five - count 'em - delegates to the NomCom. I    concur with Olivier on this point: the overriding and compelling    At-Large interest is the sustained independence of the NomCom    in deciding selections.          Edmond suggested, Judith agreed and Seun extended the matter of    additional data points in the triage process for nominees    towards selection. I hope you didn't miss Seun's finer    sensitivities on the subject. Mark me in support down that    line.           I go one further and put my personal experience on the block.    I applied for the Chair-Elect of the NomCom this last season. I    was considered INELIGIBLE because - as a very kind Board    associate rang and informed me - service on the NomCom is a    prerequisite for consideration.           Look at the position!  Check how it is supposed to be    operationalised! What an astoundingly...well, counterintuitive    prospect that this data point is a kill switch!           I put it to you that is more insidious than a casual bellyaching    eruption from a disappointed Board Chair.         And I am unanimous in that.         Carlton           ==============================     _Carlton A Samuels_     _Mobile: 876-818-1799     Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround_     =============================          On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 at 18:07, Seun Ojedeji via ALAC    <alac@icann.org> wrote:     

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    Hello Judith,           Am not sure this is at all a good suggestion. This assumes     that one can tell about performance of an individual by just     observing a single board meeting, it also suggests that     appointees needs to be active within ICANN at the time nomcom     folks are observing the meeting both of which be can very     subjective.            I would suggest care at introducing data points that could     create unnecessary subjectivity in the process.            There are community elected/selected positions and those data     points you refer can be useful for those kind of candidates     not for nomcom appointees whose candidates extend beyond the     usual suspects within ICANN.            For me the challenge of nomcom is not selection of wrong     candidates, it is lack of open seats to accommodate all the     qualified candidates. If there is anything to bring nomcom     attention to, it could be to increase focus on non ICANN     candidates and candidates from global South which is improving     in recent times           Regards            ----      Sent from my mobile      kindly excuse typos            On Fri, 7 Nov 2025, 4:10 pm Judith Hellerstein via ALAC,     <alac@icann.org> wrote:      

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     HI All,            Thanks, Olivier, for your comments.  I very much agree with      you when you said I might not always agree with the people      the NomCom appoints, but I will fight for the right of the      NomCom to appoint these people.  However, I very much liked      Edmun Chung's suggestion that we add some additional data      points to the analysis.  He was suggesting that the Nomcom      might want to observe a board meeting and see how the      different board members interact.  I think this is good      since it adds some additional data points to the review.       Sometimes different nominees just like others have had bad      days or are too preoccupied with another task to give their      full and best performance in an interview.  It happens to      everyone.  However, I think the more data points there are      to the evaluation, the better the team is able to analyze      who will be the best candidate.  For those not currently on      an ICANN board, observing another meeting where the      candidate is active, whether live or recorded could provide      the extra data point which would be helpful to the      evaluation             Best,            Judith             _________________________________________________________________________      Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO      Hellerstein & Associates      3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 [https://www.google.com/maps/search/3001+Veazey+Terrace+NW,+Washington+DC+200...]      Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein      Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517      E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com [http://www.jhellerstein.com]      Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ [http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/]      Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide             On 11/7/25 3:31 PM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via ALAC      wrote:       

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      Dear all,               and I'll just add briefly that in our very community there       are views pointing to both sides of the argument: some       think that the NomCom is not attentive enough to the needs       of the Board and of the Community and due to their       independence, is not accountable to anyone and therefore       the whole concept of a NomCom needs to be revisited.        Others support the NomCom's complete independence.               I must admit that looking at years of NomCom selections,       some appointed candidates have been incredibly "good",       surpassing all expectations, and some others have been       disappointing. It is also a case of beauty being in the       eye of the beholder: if the NomCom appoints someone you do       not like, you tend to criticise it. If, on the other hand,       it's someone who shares your opinions, then you praise the       NomCom. I myself have sometimes been bewildered as to why       the NomCom would make such a choice of candidate. But       then, having been part of one NomCom many years ago, I       also remind myself about the hours and hours of deep dive       and tough discussions on the NomCom between people that       sometimes have very different views, to reach a consensus,       and I praise this process.         I might not always agree with the people the NomCom       appoints, but I will fight for the right of the NomCom to       appoint these people. (pun intended)               Kindest regards,               Olivier                On 07/11/2025 18:59, Pari Esfandiari via ALAC wrote:         >       DEAR ALL,  >        >       THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS THOUGHTFUL EXCHANGE. I SHARE THE >       COMMUNITY’S DEDICATION TO PRESERVING THE INDEPENDENCE >       OF THE NOMCOM, WHICH IS FUNDAMENTAL TO ICANN’S >       LEGITIMACY. AT THE SAME TIME, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD >       DISTINGUISH BETWEEN INFLUENCE AND INSTITUTIONAL >       REFLECTION. >        >       FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, TRIPTI’S REMARKS WERE NOT AN >       ATTEMPT TO INTERFERE, BUT RATHER A LEGITIMATE EXPRESSION >       OF CONCERN VOICED _AFTER_ THE NOMCOM’S DECISION—AN >       IMPORTANT DISTINCTION. BOARD LEADERS, LIKE ALL COMMUNITY >       MEMBERS, SHOULD BE ABLE TO REFLECT OPENLY ON GOVERNANCE >       OUTCOMES, ESPECIALLY WHEN DOING SO INVITES GREATER >       VIGILANCE, TRANSPARENCY, AND DILIGENCE IN FUTURE >       SELECTIONS. HONEST REFLECTION STRENGTHENS >       ACCOUNTABILITY; SILENCING IT WOULD WEAKEN THE CULTURE OF >       OPENNESS THAT DEFINES ICANN. >        >       TOM BARRETT’S REMINDER OF THE NOMCOM’S AUTONOMY AND >       TRIPTI’S CALL FOR REFLECTION ARE NOT >       CONTRADICTORY—THEY ARE COMPLEMENTARY EXPRESSIONS OF >       CARE FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE SYSTEM. BOTH UNDERSCORE >       THAT ACCOUNTABILITY AND INDEPENDENCE MUST COEXIST, NOT >       COMPETE. >        >       RATHER THAN ISSUE A REACTIVE STATEMENT, ALAC COULD USE >       THIS MOMENT CONSTRUCTIVELY—TO CALL FOR CLEARER >       COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE BOARD AND THE NOMCOM ON HOW >       “GUIDANCE” IS CONVEYED AND UNDERSTOOD, AND TO >       REAFFIRM OUR SHARED COMMITMENT TO ACCOUNTABILITY, >       TRANSPARENCY, AND RESPECT FOR PROCESS BOUNDARIES. IN >       DOING SO, WE WOULD DEMONSTRATE LEADERSHIP NOT BY TAKING >       SIDES, BUT BY PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF THE >       MULTISTAKEHOLDER SYSTEM ITSELF—WHERE INDEPENDENCE, >       DIALOGUE, AND MUTUAL RESPECT MUST COEXIST. >        >       PARI ESFADIARI >        >        On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 8:44 PM Seun Ojedeji via ALAC >       <alac@icann.org> wrote:  >        >>        Hello Leon,  >>         >>        I share yours and others' understanding of Carlos' >>        comment as well.  That said, the statement of the >>        Chair of the Board is weighty and it can be >>        really difficult to air personal opinions when >>        wearing such a hat. It's a burden the bearer of the >>        title must carry unfortunately. Not to defend her, >>        perhaps she made the statement just to challenge >>        nomcom to do more.   >>         >>         Nevertheless, I do know that NOMCOM has a process to >>        interact with leadership of the various stakeholders >>        whose leaders are partly filled by nomcom including >>        the Board, that process is not to tell nomcom how/who >>        to select but rather to highlight what kind of skill >>        set or other diversity ingredients etc they feel >>        might be missing in their current composition which i >>        believe nomcom do put into consideration.  >>         >>        Tom has performed his duty as nomcom Chair to rightly >>        reiterate the importance of maintaining the >>        independence of nomcom (to the extent possible) and >>        it's good to hear from Leon that the Board share the >>        same view. The same nomcom process is what was used to >>        appoint current nomcom appointee members of the Board >>        including the Chair and they were not just >>        formalities; the selections were done on merit. I >>        believe Leon will take this as a feedback to the Board >>        hence we may be flogging the matter by having ALAC do >>        a separate dedicated statement.  >>         >>        Regards  >>         >>         On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 at 11:56, León Felipe Sánchez >>        Ambía via ALAC <alac@icann.org> wrote:  >>         >>>         I too understood that Carlos is suggesting >>>         something should be said in support of Tom’s >>>         statement in order to avoid undue interference with >>>         NomCom’s independence.  >>>          >>>         Now, having said that, let me clarify that it is not >>>         the Board being referred in Tom’s statement. His >>>         statement was addressed to the Board’s Chair as >>>         she made statements regarding her disappointment on >>>         past NomCom’s cycle selections and she was also >>>         clear that this was her personal sentiment and not >>>         of the Board.  >>>          >>>         My view is  that the Board respects and supports >>>         the NomCom’s independence and also respects and >>>         supports its processes and Delegates. Proof of this >>>         is the vote on the resolution that appointed Tom and >>>         James as this year’s NomCom Chair and Chair-elect, >>>         in which only two individuals abstained and the rest >>>         of the Board members present voted in favor of the >>>         resolution.  >>>          >>>         I believe an independent NomCom is one of the corner >>>         stones of our MSM and as such we need to cherish it >>>         and care for it and defend it.  >>>          >>>         Kind regards,  >>>          >>>          León  >>>          >>>>          El 7 nov 2025, a las 11:32 a.m., Tijani BEN >>>>          JEMAA via ALAC <alac@icann.org> escribió:  >>>>           >>>>          This is also What I understood from Carlos >>>>          message.  >>>>          Tijani  >>>>          --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>           >>>>          Vanda Scartezini via ALAC <alac@icann.org> a >>>>          écrit : >>>>           >>>>>           i understood Tom’s words were quite clear and >>>>>           in a positive way defending the full >>>>>           independence of NOMCOM. I believe  as I know >>>>>           what Ching said, that Carlos was just worried by >>>>>           the tentative of interference from the Board in >>>>>           the selection process of NOMCOM.  >>>>>           kisses   >>>>>              >>>>>            >>>>>            FROM: Raymond Mamattah via ALAC >>>>>           <alac@icann.org>  >>>>>           DATE: Thursday, 6 November 2025 at 18:06  >>>>>           TO: carlos dionisio aguirre >>>>>           <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>  >>>>>           CC: alac interno 2 <alac@icann.org>, >>>>>           'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>           <'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, >>>>>           alac-admin@icann.org <alac-admin@icann.org>  >>>>>           SUBJECT: [ALAC] Re: We need to say something >>>>>           about this. I think.  >>>>>              >>>>>           Hi Carlos,   >>>>>              >>>>>           I have gone through the attachment and I'm not >>>>>           sure I can identify where Tom went wrong.   >>>>>              >>>>>           Possibly, if you could quote his exact words >>>>>           that are problematic and explain why they're in >>>>>           bad taste. This will help us all known where you >>>>>           are coming from.  >>>>>              >>>>>           My one pesewa thought.   >>>>>              >>>>>           Regards,   >>>>>            ---  >>>>>           Raymond Mamattah  >>>>>           Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭  >>>>>              >>>>>            On Thu, 6 Nov 2025, 17:17 carlos dionisio >>>>>           aguirre via ALAC, <alac@icann.org> wrote:  >>>>>            >>>>>>            In the attachment, I’m sharing a post by >>>>>>            Ching Chao that includes the accurate >>>>>>            transliteration of what John Barrett said >>>>>>            during the ICANN84 Public Forum when >>>>>>            addressing the board.  >>>>>>            I believe we must publicly address and demand >>>>>>            an official response to the statements made by >>>>>>            John Barrett (NomCom Chair). What he said is >>>>>>            deeply concerning and cannot be left >>>>>>            unanswered.  >>>>>>            His words reveal a troubling perspective on >>>>>>            the NomCom’s role and independence, and they >>>>>>            risk undermining the trust that the entire >>>>>>            ICANN community has worked so hard to build.  >>>>>>            We need clarity, accountability, and a firm >>>>>>            commitment that the NomCom will continue to >>>>>>            operate free from undue influence.  >>>>>>               >>>>>>            Carlos Dionisio Aguirre  >>>>>>             _______________________________________________ >>>>>>             >>>>>>            ALAC mailing list -- alac@icann.org  >>>>>>            To unsubscribe send an email >>>>>>            to alac-leave@icann.org  >>>>>>             >>>>>>            At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >>>>>>            [http://www.atlarge.icann.org/]  >>>>>>            ALAC Working >>>>>>            Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) >>>>>>             >>>>>>            _______________________________________________ >>>>>>             >>>>>>            By submitting your personal data, you consent >>>>>>            to the processing of your personal data for 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Absolutely Seun. If the Board will dictate to the NomCom who to select, I'm afraid this will become the Board selection, not the NomCom one Tijani  --------------------------------------------------------------- Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> a écrit :

Hello Leon,   I share yours and others' understanding of Carlos' comment as well.  That said, the statement of the Chair of the Board is weighty and it can be really difficult to air personal opinions when wearing such a hat. It's a burden the bearer of the title must carry unfortunately. Not to defend her, perhaps she made the statement just to challenge nomcom to do more.    Nevertheless, I do know that NOMCOM has a process to interact with leadership of the various stakeholders whose leaders are partly filled by nomcom including the Board, that process is not to tell nomcom how/who to select but rather to highlight what kind of skill set or other diversity ingredients etc they feel might be missing in their current composition which i believe nomcom do put into consideration.

Tom has performed his duty as nomcom Chair to rightly reiterate the importance of maintaining the independence of nomcom (to the extent possible) and it's good to hear from Leon that the Board share the same view. The same nomcom process is what was used to appoint current nomcom appointee members of the Board including the Chair and they were not just formalities; the selections were done on merit. I believe Leon will take this as a feedback to the Board hence we may be flogging the matter by having ALAC do a separate dedicated statement.

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 at 11:56, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía via ALAC <alac@icann.org> wrote:

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I too understood that Carlos is suggesting something should be said in support of Tom’s statement in order to avoid undue interference with NomCom’s independence.   Now, having said that, let me clarify that it is not the Board being referred in Tom’s statement. His statement was addressed to the Board’s Chair as she made statements regarding her disappointment on past NomCom’s cycle selections and she was also clear that this was her personal sentiment and not of the Board.   My view is  that the Board respects and supports the NomCom’s independence and also respects and supports its processes and Delegates. Proof of this is the vote on the resolution that appointed Tom and James as this year’s NomCom Chair and Chair-elect, in which only two individuals abstained and the rest of the Board members present voted in favor of the resolution.   I believe an independent NomCom is one of the corner stones of our MSM and as such we need to cherish it and care for it and defend it.   Kind regards,     León

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El 7 nov 2025, a las 11:32 a.m., Tijani BEN JEMAA via ALAC <alac@icann.org> escribió:

This is also What I understood from Carlos message. Tijani --------------------------------------------------------------------- Vanda Scartezini via ALAC <alac@icann.org> a écrit :

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i understood Tom’s words were quite clear and in a positive way defending the full independence of NOMCOM. I believe  as I know what Ching said, that Carlos was just worried by the tentative of interference from the Board in the selection process of NOMCOM. kisses    FROM: Raymond Mamattah via ALAC <alac@icann.org> DATE: Thursday, 6 November 2025 at 18:06 TO: carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> CC: alac interno 2 <alac@icann.org>, 'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org <'alac-excom@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, alac-admin@icann.org <alac-admin@icann.org> SUBJECT: [ALAC] Re: We need to say something about this. I think.   Hi Carlos,    I have gone through the attachment and I'm not sure I can identify where Tom went wrong.    Possibly, if you could quote his exact words that are problematic and explain why they're in bad taste. This will help us all known where you are coming from.   My one pesewa thought.    Regards,  --- Raymond Mamattah Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭   On Thu, 6 Nov 2025, 17:17 carlos dionisio aguirre via ALAC, <alac@icann.org> wrote:

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In the attachment, I’m sharing a post by Ching Chao that includes the accurate transliteration of what John Barrett said during the ICANN84 Public Forum when addressing the board. I believe we must publicly address and demand an official response to the statements made by John Barrett (NomCom Chair). What he said is deeply concerning and cannot be left unanswered. His words reveal a troubling perspective on the NomCom’s role and independence, and they risk undermining the trust that the entire ICANN community has worked so hard to build. We need clarity, accountability, and a firm commitment that the NomCom will continue to operate free from undue influence.   Carlos Dionisio Aguirre _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list -- alac@icann.org To unsubscribe send an email to alac-leave@icann.org

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