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----- Original Message -----From:"Maureen Hilyard" <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>To:"Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com>Cc:"Maureen Hilyard" <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>Sent:Wed, 3 Jul 2019 01:11:52 -1000Subject:Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
This is an excellent analysis Shreedeep and it goes beyond this particular instance.One of the At-Large review activities we still have to work on is a review of the criteria and expectations of ALSes and Individual members... and one of these is job descriptions. We do not have JDs for some of the jobs we advertise for so it makes it difficult for people to apply without knowing what they are applying for.Individual members is a fairly new category and our review of individual members (as well as ALSes) themselves is going to be quite comprehensive. Therefore the leadership JDs will also be more detailed and more specific. At the moment the only formal role that this person currently has, is to vote on behalf of the other individual members should the RALO ever hold a vote on something. But the JD also needs to take into consideration other leadership roles within the RALO.These matters will be discussed when the Working Group is established shortly. And thank you for adding to this conversation.MaureenOn Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 11:58 PM Shreedeep Rayamajhi, <weaker41@gmail.com> wrote:I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvisedRegards,Shreedeep RayamajhiOn Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it.
ThanksFarizahmadi‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:Thank you for your comment Fariz.However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.MaureenALAC ChairOn Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.
ThanksFarizahmadiFrom: Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com>To: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>Cc: Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual RepresentativeDate: 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PMDear all,I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:1. NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacificregion (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.
3. While my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce, if anything, it will only enhance my understanding of policy development and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.4. Wrt the leadership position, the NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there) and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and membersCongrats Hanan and good luck!—With gratitudeMili SemlaniOn 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib:
Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
Rank
Vote Option ID
Vote Option
Votes
%
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
2
15998137
Hanan Khatib
3
27.27
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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