Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual

Dec. 3, 2017

      Good mornin, all.

Hi Maureen,

I completely agree with you on the point of trust. This goes back to my
original question of ...
"What happened to the requirement for each individual member applicant to
submit an undertaking that he/she is not (or at least, no longer) a member
of an affiliated ALS? "

Also I believe this undertaking includes one which says that if an
individual member of a RALO then becomes a member of an ALS, he/she
forfeits his/her individual membership. So this offers an "exit" mechanism.

Of course policing this is a separate effort -- I guess trust in the
undertaking is a logical way to go and if there is evidence of the contrary
(obtained independently of the applicant/individual member) (ie due
diligence) then action should be taken to address that conflict.

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   1. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
      Applications (Maureen Hilyard)
   2. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
      Applications (Maureen Hilyard)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>
To: Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com>
Cc: APRALO <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Anupam Agrawal <
anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com>
Bcc:
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 14:03:08 -1000
Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
Applications
This is really opening up a can of worms.   have to take people's word on
TRUST.

It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership
lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT
members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC
or any ISOC In India.

Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf
rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person
compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach
so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of
ALses?

ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the
significant news from ICANN
ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet users
ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news about
ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development process
ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education programs,
regarding ICANN and its work

  but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS members leave an
organisation, they may require a formal letter indicating that they are not
longer a member as part of the RALO application process. This will

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com> wrote:
...
Thanks Rajnesh.
The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have been
finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is not
always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a
person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing
an example.
satish
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual
applicant is not already a member via an ALS?
This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do
for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.
Raj
On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <
maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Hi Afifa
If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an
individual member? He should already be involved.
M :)
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
Hi All,
I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out
to me for an outreach.
I totally support their application.
Regards,
Afifa
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <
pavan@namesphere.asia> wrote:
...
Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A,
please help get that information
* Do they allow individual members?Yes
   Institutional members? N/A
* What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
their membership are individuals?
(10) in Board of Trustees
(3) Audit Committee
(5) in Board of Directors
(35) other members”
* Can individual members assume leadership positions?
N/A
Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)
Thanks so much!
Pavan
On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:
...
* Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?
* What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
their membership are individuals?
* Can individual members assume leadership positions?
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From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>
To: Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com>
Cc: APRALO <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Anupam Agrawal <
anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 14:10:24 -1000
Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
Applications
Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally This is really opening up a can
of worms.   have to take people's word on TRUST.

It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership
lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT
members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC
or any ISOC In India.

Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf
rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person
compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach
so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of ALses?
ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the
significant news from ICANN
ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet users
ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news about
ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development process
ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education programs,
regarding ICANN and its work
ØMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's proposed policies and its decisions
and their (potential)regional impact and (potential) effect on individuals
in the region;
I started to make mention of the fact that we could have to ask people who
have disagreements with their ALS managements and leave, that they may have
to bring along a letter saying that they are no longer members. But what a
hassle.
But it is one of the thngs that I would like to discuss with an volunteers
of a group of APRALO members to discuss ALS criteria, expectations and
metrics.
Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will get staff to create a wiki
space for us.
Maureen

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
This is really opening up a can of worms.   have to take people's word on
TRUST.
It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership
lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT
members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC
or any ISOC In India.
Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf
rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person
compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach
so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of
ALses?
ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the
significant news from ICANN
ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet
users
ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news
about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development
process
ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education programs,
regarding ICANN and its work
but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS members leave an
organisation, they may require a formal letter indicating that they are not
longer a member as part of the RALO application process. This will
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com> wrote:
...
Thanks Rajnesh.
The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have
been finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is
not always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a
person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing
an example.
satish
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual
applicant is not already a member via an ALS?
This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do
for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.
Raj
On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <
maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Hi Afifa
If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an
individual member? He should already be involved.
M :)
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
Hi All,
I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out
to me for an outreach.
I totally support their application.
Regards,
Afifa
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <
pavan@namesphere.asia> wrote:
...
Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A,
please help get that information
* Do they allow individual members?Yes
   Institutional members? N/A
* What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
their membership are individuals?
(10) in Board of Trustees
(3) Audit Committee
(5) in Board of Directors
(35) other members”
* Can individual members assume leadership positions?
N/A
Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)
Thanks so much!
Pavan
On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:
>
> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?
> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
> their membership are individuals?
> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>
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