Re: [APAC-Discuss] Draft Statement on Compliance Issues within ICANN:@
iPads are frustrating - I had drafted a long reply which has now disappeared. So here goes fIrst, I share many of garth's concerns about I accuracy and the failure of compliance to act, for all the reasons of safety, security and consumer protection that are listed. That said, I cannot support this statement. For a start, wedo not have p.roof of why staff were dismissed and without it, what is said is almost defamatory. Next, we do not need to list instances of when inaccuracies were pointed out and, as far as, we know, action was not taken. It is enough to say that we are aware of instances when proven inaccuracies in Whois were drawn to compliance' attention with no apparent response. Finally, we should note that proposed changes to the RAA and related documents will place far greater responsibility for Whois accuracy on registrars, and we would expect that it will be accompanied by firmer action by compliance in future to ensure the accuracy of Whois data. As I have said, while I am a strong supporter of Whois accuracy and the role compliance should have been playing, I do not support this statement, as currently drafted, being made on behalfl of, alac or APRALO Holly
I would like to encourage the ALSes to support the statement and to endorse putting it forward to the ALAC.
Kind Regards, Sala
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Dear Holly, These are thoughtful considerations and as you can see from the Report by Garth, it makes references to evidence of the same. Defamation is the insinuation that it brings disrepute to the person without facts or evidence. The role of the ALAC is to speak out on issues affecting global public interest and in this instance we have clear examples of situations where the interest of the end users which in this instance, we are highlighting the vulnerabilities of the compliance mechanisms that threaten end user security. To this end, it would be god to hear what others think. Have a read of Garth's report and view the references, where things are not clear, particular pertaining to the draft statement, please highlight which portions. My worry is that where ICANN and the community drops the ball, we will witness the beginning of external regulation in this area and once this happens, it then sets a precedent to extend that regulation of other areas concerning critical Internet resources which is what we do not want particularly as advocates of an open and free Internet. With kind regards, Sala Sent from my iPad On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:31 AM, h.raiche@internode.on.net wrote:
iPads are frustrating - I had drafted a long reply which has now disappeared.
So here goes
fIrst, I share many of garth's concerns about I accuracy and the failure of compliance to act, for all the reasons of safety, security and consumer protection that are listed.
That said, I cannot support this statement. For a start, wedo not have p.roof of why staff were dismissed and without it, what is said is almost defamatory.
Next, we do not need to list instances of when inaccuracies were pointed out and, as far as, we know, action was not taken. It is enough to say that we are aware of instances when proven inaccuracies in Whois were drawn to compliance' attention with no apparent response.
Finally, we should note that proposed changes to the RAA and related documents will place far greater responsibility for Whois accuracy on registrars, and we would expect that it will be accompanied by firmer action by compliance in future to ensure the accuracy of Whois data.
As I have said, while I am a strong supporter of Whois accuracy and the role compliance should have been playing, I do not support this statement, as currently drafted, being made on behalfl of, alac or APRALO
Holly
I would like to encourage the ALSes to support the statement and to endorse putting it forward to the ALAC.
Kind Regards, Sala
Sent from my iPad
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I should also add that there were two documents that I had sent through and only one of thee two is the proposed statement. Please feel free to suggest edits and revisions. The argument that is being made is that current trends predict future response, irrespective of inserting provisions within the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA). The removal of the Bulk Whois Reporting System and non responsive nature to existing requests are threats to ordinary end users and threaten the capacity of the enforcement of these contracts as far as false WHOIS is concerned. The RAA revision is good but other aspects of the compliance system need to be addressed as well such as the weakening of existing compliance tools. In this instance, we are highlighting our concern over the weakening of some of these processes. Please feel free to suggest revisions to the current text. Kind Regards, Sala Sent from my iPad On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Holly,
These are thoughtful considerations and as you can see from the Report by Garth, it makes references to evidence of the same.
Defamation is the insinuation that it brings disrepute to the person without facts or evidence.
The role of the ALAC is to speak out on issues affecting global public interest and in this instance we have clear examples of situations where the interest of the end users which in this instance, we are highlighting the vulnerabilities of the compliance mechanisms that threaten end user security.
To this end, it would be god to hear what others think. Have a read of Garth's report and view the references, where things are not clear, particular pertaining to the draft statement, please highlight which portions.
My worry is that where ICANN and the community drops the ball, we will witness the beginning of external regulation in this area and once this happens, it then sets a precedent to extend that regulation of other areas concerning critical Internet resources which is what we do not want particularly as advocates of an open and free Internet.
With kind regards, Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:31 AM, h.raiche@internode.on.net wrote:
iPads are frustrating - I had drafted a long reply which has now disappeared.
So here goes
fIrst, I share many of garth's concerns about I accuracy and the failure of compliance to act, for all the reasons of safety, security and consumer protection that are listed.
That said, I cannot support this statement. For a start, wedo not have p.roof of why staff were dismissed and without it, what is said is almost defamatory.
Next, we do not need to list instances of when inaccuracies were pointed out and, as far as, we know, action was not taken. It is enough to say that we are aware of instances when proven inaccuracies in Whois were drawn to compliance' attention with no apparent response.
Finally, we should note that proposed changes to the RAA and related documents will place far greater responsibility for Whois accuracy on registrars, and we would expect that it will be accompanied by firmer action by compliance in future to ensure the accuracy of Whois data.
As I have said, while I am a strong supporter of Whois accuracy and the role compliance should have been playing, I do not support this statement, as currently drafted, being made on behalfl of, alac or APRALO
Holly
I would like to encourage the ALSes to support the statement and to endorse putting it forward to the ALAC.
Kind Regards, Sala
Sent from my iPad
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I appreciate everyone's energy. Given that not everyone has read the document, I don't think we need to rush a statement. The statement itself is good but not complete. I think there are some recommendations which can be placed within the statement and I will add those for group consultation. On 4/10/13 11:46 AM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Dear Holly,
These are thoughtful considerations and as you can see from the Report by Garth, it makes references to evidence of the same.
Defamation is the insinuation that it brings disrepute to the person without facts or evidence.
The role of the ALAC is to speak out on issues affecting global public interest and in this instance we have clear examples of situations where the interest of the end users which in this instance, we are highlighting the vulnerabilities of the compliance mechanisms that threaten end user security.
To this end, it would be god to hear what others think. Have a read of Garth's report and view the references, where things are not clear, particular pertaining to the draft statement, please highlight which portions.
My worry is that where ICANN and the community drops the ball, we will witness the beginning of external regulation in this area and once this happens, it then sets a precedent to extend that regulation of other areas concerning critical Internet resources which is what we do not want particularly as advocates of an open and free Internet.
With kind regards, Sala
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:31 AM, h.raiche@internode.on.net wrote:
iPads are frustrating - I had drafted a long reply which has now disappeared.
So here goes
fIrst, I share many of garth's concerns about I accuracy and the failure of compliance to act, for all the reasons of safety, security and consumer protection that are listed.
That said, I cannot support this statement. For a start, wedo not have p.roof of why staff were dismissed and without it, what is said is almost defamatory.
Next, we do not need to list instances of when inaccuracies were pointed out and, as far as, we know, action was not taken. It is enough to say that we are aware of instances when proven inaccuracies in Whois were drawn to compliance' attention with no apparent response.
Finally, we should note that proposed changes to the RAA and related documents will place far greater responsibility for Whois accuracy on registrars, and we would expect that it will be accompanied by firmer action by compliance in future to ensure the accuracy of Whois data.
As I have said, while I am a strong supporter of Whois accuracy and the role compliance should have been playing, I do not support this statement, as currently drafted, being made on behalfl of, alac or APRALO
Holly
I would like to encourage the ALSes to support the statement and to endorse putting it forward to the ALAC.
Kind Regards, Sala
Sent from my iPad
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